Martinez vs Hosmer vs Santana

[Carpin]

One more off the table

 

Santana to the Phillies 3/60

[S5Dewey]

Will someone PLEASE sign Hosmer, before the Sox do??!!

[Carpin]

Will someone PLEASE sign Hosmer, before the Sox do??!!

 

You might get your wish, with this signing the teams with an opening will start getting nervous

[sk7326]

One more off the table

 

Santana to the Phillies 3/60

 

Solid pickup - perhaps a mild overpay. He's always gotten on base and power is pretty good. And he can catch if there is a zombie apocalypse in the clubhouse. Of the three corner bats, he was the high floor low ceiling one

[Station 13]

Santana hit 1 more HR than Moreland last season. Early rumors had him for around 3/35-40M. But a 20M a year is quite an overpay.

[a700hitter]

One FA 1B off the board.

[a700hitter]

Santana hit 1 more HR than Moreland last season. Early rumors had him for around 3/35-40M. But a 20M a year is quite an overpay.

EE was a bargain last season compared to Santana.

[Station 13]

Santana doesn't solves this team power need. That's an easy pass at 20M a year.

 

I think we end up with Morrison.

[sk7326]

Santana hit 1 more HR than Moreland last season. Early rumors had him for around 3/35-40M. But a 20M a year is quite an overpay.

 

Santana has a much longer history of getting on base. Moreland's best OBP season as a regular was .330. Santana's worst was .351. Both are pretty solid defensive 1B. I am not sure I'd have given Santana that money - but he is a better player than Moreland by a considerable margin.

[harmony]

Santana hit 1 more HR than Moreland last season. Early rumors had him for around 3/35-40M. But a 20M a year is quite an overpay.

But Carlos Santana had 2.1 more fWAR than Mitch Moreland this year (3.0 to 0.9).

[mvp 78]

Solid pickup - perhaps a mild overpay. He's always gotten on base and power is pretty good. And he can catch if there is a zombie apocalypse in the clubhouse. Of the three corner bats, he was the high floor low ceiling one

 

Maybe higher AAV, but at only 3 years it's a good get. Better than the Hanley and Pablo contracts!

[S5Dewey]

Maybe higher AAV, but at only 3 years it's a good get. Better than the Hanley and Pablo contracts!

 

Now THERE is the lowest bar I've seen in a long time!!

[sk7326]

But Carlos Santana had 2.1 more fWAR than Mitch Moreland this year (3.0 to 0.9).

 

most important job for a hitter is not making outs and Santana was a lot better at that

[Spudboy]

Santana has a much longer history of getting on base. Moreland's best OBP season as a regular was .330. Santana's worst was .351. Both are pretty solid defensive 1B. I am not sure I'd have given Santana that money - but he is a better player than Moreland by a considerable margin.

 

No he is not. He is better at some things which makes him better. But not by enough to justify difference in pay with Moreland.

 

I would not pay any more than 3/45 for Santana and that is an over-pay from where I sit.

[Spudboy]

Santana doesn't solves this team power need. That's an easy pass at 20M a year.

 

I think we end up with Morrison.

 

I agree. Or me may end up with Hanley or Moreland.

[Spudboy]

But Carlos Santana had 2.1 more fWAR than Mitch Moreland this year (3.0 to 0.9).

 

f*** WAR.

[cp176]

No he is not. He is better at some things which makes him better. But not by enough to justify difference in pay with Moreland.

 

I would not pay any more than 3/45 for Santana and that is an over-pay from where I sit.

 

I agree as usual and I think that DD does too. He has become less desperate all of a sudden and the tune changes from of our illustrious DD questioners (dislikers). I absolutely believe that he has his fangs hooked into something that we will like in the end.

[oldtimer]

I agree as usual and I think that DD does too. He has become less desperate all of a sudden and the tune changes from of our illustrious DD questioners (dislikers). I absolutely believe that he has his fangs hooked into something that we will like in the end.

 

Santana to Phillies?

[cp176]

Santana to Phillies?

 

If he has wanted Santana that badly, he'd be here. Bigger fish for him I think.

[notin]

No he is not. He is better at some things which makes him better. But not by enough to justify difference in pay with Moreland.

 

I would not pay any more than 3/45 for Santana and that is an over-pay from where I sit.

 

Yeah let's bring back Moreland.

 

Meet the new Sox. Same as the old Sox...

[Spudboy]

Yeah let's bring back Moreland.

 

Meet the new Sox. Same as the old Sox...

 

Would you say that if DD got Martinez and Moreland?

 

I see that as a gain offensively.

 

Probably not enough to outscore some teams but a move forward, anyway.

[moonslav59]

Would you say that if DD got Martinez and Moreland?

 

I see that as a gain offensively.

 

Probably not enough to outscore some teams but a move forward, anyway.

 

I'd rather take the chance that Morrison's 2017 was not just a flash.

 

I'd go with ....

 

1. JD & Morrison (plus a 5th starter)

 

2. JD & Duda (plus a 4th starter)

 

3. JD & Moreland (plus a 3/4 starter)

 

4. JD & Alonso (Machado's bros-in-law) plus a 3/4 starter.

 

I'd do all of these over trading for Abreu and signing a 2/3 starter.

 

 

[sk7326]

No he is not. He is better at some things which makes him better. But not by enough to justify difference in pay with Moreland.

 

I would not pay any more than 3/45 for Santana and that is an over-pay from where I sit.

 

He makes many fewer outs ...

[jacksonianmarch]

Morrison is just as likely to hit 38 bombs again as he is to hit .200 with 15HR. He has to be plan C or D for you guys. If he winds up as a plan A or B, you're entirely at the whim of a wildly inconsistent yet talented player

[harmony]

No he is not. He is better at some things which makes him better. But not by enough to justify difference in pay with Moreland.

 

I would not pay any more than 3/45 for Santana and that is an over-pay from where I sit.

Steamer600, which assumes 600 plate appearances for each hitter, projects 2018 WAR of 0.9 for Mitch Moreland and 2.9 for Carlos Santana:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&type=steamer600&team=0&lg=all&players=0&sort=27,d

[Spudboy]

He makes many fewer outs ...

 

And this translates somehow into a huge advantage in what? WAR?

 

My point is valid. His on-field value is not 3-4 times that of Moreland. Not even 2 times.

 

But if I masturbated looking at stats I may feel differently.

[Spudboy]

Steamer600, which assumes 600 plate appearances for each hitter, projects 2018 WAR of 0.9 for Mitch Moreland and 2.9 for Carlos Santana:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&type=steamer600&team=0&lg=all&players=0&sort=27,d

 

Yawn.

[jacksonianmarch]

Carlos Santana is worlds better than Moreland. Mitchey 2 bags is not a very good hitter. He hasn't really ever been a plus hitter. Hes a plus defender who wont embarrass himself offensively. That's it.

[Spudboy]

I'd rather take the chance that Morrison's 2017 was not just a flash.

 

I'd go with ....

 

1. JD & Morrison (plus a 5th starter)

 

2. JD & Duda (plus a 4th starter)

 

3. JD & Moreland (plus a 3/4 starter)

 

4. JD & Alonso (Machado's bros-in-law) plus a 3/4 starter.

 

I'd do all of these over trading for Abreu and signing a 2/3 starter.

 

 

 

I see that you have changed your mind or have warmed in some way to the idea of Morrison.

 

Maybe I am wrong in saying that but you seemed more sold on Duda and someone else weeks ago.

 

What's up?

[Spudboy]

Carlos Santana is worlds better than Moreland. Mitchey 2 bags is not a very good hitter. He hasn't really ever been a plus hitter. Hes a plus defender who wont embarrass himself offensively. That's it.

 

I can understand this Doc. And I do.

 

All I have tried to say is that if the Sox do not or or not able for some reason to sign a big bat for first base, none of the big ticket options is worth ALL THAT MUCH more than Moreland.

 

I am talking strictly Bang For Buck. Not some projections from some geek.