Martinez vs Hosmer vs Santana

[Jack Flap]

We all know who coined the phrase "Fake News". Please leave politics out of this forum. Thanks.

 

He Who Must Not Be Named?

[S5Dewey]

He Who Must Not Be Named?

 

Hey, I'm not dragging politics into this! A week ago I mentioned something about how the general tenor of discussion in this country had declined in the past year and I was severely admonished for it!

[Spudboy]

Hey, I'm not dragging politics into this! A week ago I mentioned something about how the general tenor of discussion in this country had declined in the past year and I was severely admonished for it!

 

I did not admonish you. You can be sure of that.

 

But yeah, politics are verboten on Talksox. For good reasons.

[S5Dewey]

I did not admonish you. You can be sure of that.

 

But yeah, politics are verboten on Talksox. For good reasons.

 

You're right. It was not you.

 

I was in a reflective mood at the time of the post, disappointed over the hostile tenor that had taken over this forum. The "mistake" I made was attaching a timeline to it.

 

I learned. But what is good for me is also good for the person who admonished me.

[cp176]

You're right. It was not you.

 

I was in a reflective mood at the time of the post, disappointed over the hostile tenor that had taken over this forum. The "mistake" I made was attaching a timeline to it.

 

I learned. But what is good for me is also good for the person who admonished me.

 

 

Hey look on the bright side- people with some good old school ways of looking at things are still tolerated for the most part. If they knew my views about the influence of social media on society in general they might chase me off though. lol

[S5Dewey]

Hey look on the bright side- people with some good old school ways of looking at things are still tolerated for the most part. If they knew my views about the influence of social media on society in general they might chase me off though. lol

 

You and I need to share a table with a couple of beers on it sometime. I get the impression we agree on a lot of things.

[cp176]

You and I need to share a table with a couple of beers on it sometime. I get the impression we agree on a lot of things.

 

Pretty sure we do!

[Kimmi]

I still think desperate Dave is carrying a torch for abreu.

 

I get that feeling too.

[harmony]

Baseball columnist Jon Heyman reports that J.D. Martinez is on his way to Orlando to meet with representatives of the Red Sox and other teams:

 

https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-jd-martinez-to-meet-with-red-sox-and-others/

[mvp 78]

Baseball columnist Jon Heyman reports that J.D. Martinez is on his way to Orlando to meet with representatives of the Red Sox and other teams:

 

https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-jd-martinez-to-meet-with-red-sox-and-others/

 

Yes he is! Meeting with Desperate Dave tonight too!

[a700hitter]

Yes he is! Meeting with Desperate Dave tonight too!

Christmas gift on the way!!! Hopefully.

[a700hitter]

Yes he is! Meeting with Desperate Dave tonight too!

Christmas Gift is packed on the sled for delivery.

[moonslav59]

Christmas Gift is packed on the sled for delivery.

 

Almost in time for the first day of ticket sales.

[notin]

Slow down folks.

 

Boras always says "no" before mid-January. Unless some crazy GM meets all his demands and then some...

[OH FOY]

Very good article. Very interesting.

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/12/12/winter-meetings-notebook-boston-red-sox-jose-abreu

[moonslav59]

Very good article. Very interesting.

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/12/12/winter-meetings-notebook-boston-red-sox-jose-abreu

 

I don't see Abreu as a significant upgrade over Santana.

 

I suppose we could sign JD and trade JBJ for prospects to flip to the CWS for Abreu, but I'd still rather just sign Santana or maybe even Morrison.

[mvp 78]

Slow down folks.

 

Boras always says "no" before mid-January. Unless some crazy GM meets all his demands and then some...

 

Always? No. See Jacoby Ellsbury and Jason Werth who were both signed in early December.

[mvp 78]

Very good article. Very interesting.

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/12/12/winter-meetings-notebook-boston-red-sox-jose-abreu

 

“My scouting report on Dave,” said one veteran advisor, “is that he will say no, no, no to your deals until eventually he will say yes.”

 

Soooooo very desperate!

[mvp 78]

Also, effffff Tom Verducci. Any baseball writer who still calls Fenway a "band box" in this day and age is a dum dum. Everyone knows it's slightly below average for home runs and above average for doubles and triples. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2022901-ranking-mlbs-most-hitter-friendly-ballparks-by-the-numbers

 

Effffff lazy sportswriters. Send them to the guillotine.

[moonslav59]

Always? No. See Jacoby Ellsbury and Jason Werth who were both signed in early December.

 

That's because Bore-A$$ was shocked someone would pay that much and wanted to sign before anyone's mind's changed.

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

 

Lovullo on Martinez: ‘I don’t think I’ve seen a more passionate, smarter hitter walk through his day-to-day activities.’

[mvp 78]

That's because Bore-A$$ was shocked someone would pay that much and wanted to sign before anyone's mind's changed.

 

Nope. The Boras narrative is overstated. He's not the devil. His clients will sign early. His clients will sign below market deals if they want to stay.

[sk7326]

I don't see Abreu as a significant upgrade over Santana.

 

I suppose we could sign JD and trade JBJ for prospects to flip to the CWS for Abreu, but I'd still rather just sign Santana or maybe even Morrison.

 

The real thing is a MUCH more favorable contract potentially.

[moonslav59]

Abreu is projected to make $17M in arb this year. He may make over $20M the following year. Two years of team control. That's about $38M/2.

 

Santana might make $48M/3 or $60M/4.

[sk7326]

Abreu is projected to make $17M in arb this year. He may make over $20M the following year. Two years of team control. That's about $38M/2.

 

Santana might make $48M/3 or $60M/4.

 

Abreu's Age 31-32 seasons vs Santana's Age 32-34/5 ones.

 

Abreu's ceiling is higher. Santana I think is the clear high floor candidate of the 1B sorts.

[mvp 78]

@PeteAbe

 

Boras defended JD Martinez as a RF, saying metrics are skewed by Betts and Heyward. But also said Martinez would adapt to a team that wanted him to DH.

[dgalehouse]

We all know who coined the phrase "Fake News". Please leave politics out of this forum. Thanks.

 

It seems to me that the occasional political zinger is permissible on here , as long as it comes in from the left , so to speak. Personally , I think all political comments should be discouraged. Both right and left. We have seen what they have done to other forums when permitted to run wild.

[mvp 78]

We all know who coined the phrase "Fake News". Please leave politics out of this forum. Thanks.

 

Yes, that's definitely the same as saying "liberal pussies."

[mvp 78]

It seems to me that the occasional political zinger is permissible on here , as long as it comes in from the left , so to speak. Personally , I think all political comments should be discouraged. Both right and left. We have seen what they have done to other forums when permitted to run wild.

 

That's not true either. A700 is right wing and will say some vaguely political things from time to time and usually gets a pass.

[mvp 78]

@ScottLauber

 

Diamondbacks manager Torey Lovullo on J.D. Martinez: "I don't think I've seen a more passionate, smarter hitter walk through his day-to-day activities. He studies, he watches as much video as I've ever seen." Arizona is hoping to re-sign Martinez but...