Fire alex cora

[moonslav59]

Let's face it, we're always grasping for things to blame failure on.

 

It's human nature.

 

To me, trying to find one fall guy seems to be in overkill mode, in recent years.

[mvp 78]

Cora is doing what he should be doing. Build up the IP for his like Crawforf, Houck and Bello; give some opportunities to the potential future pieces in Abreu, Rafaela and Valdez; and make a modest effort to actually win since you are in a position to impact a pennant race and do need to honor that…

 

No.

[moonslav59]

Common sense!

 

Common sense said we would suck in 2021.

[Old Red]

It's human nature.

 

To me, trying to find one fall guy seems to be in overkill mode, in recent years.

 

It’s the old what have you done for me lately, and there are no untouchables. JH, and Cora, or anyone else.

[Old Red]

Common sense said we would suck in 2021.

 

Not to me, which I have said for two years now. There was plenty of talent on that 2020 team from the 2018 team, and ERod, and Sale were coming back, so common sense should have said not to look to much into 2020.

[moonslav59]

It’s the old what have you done for me lately, and there are no untouchables. JH, and Cora, or anyone else.

 

That's your view of life.

 

I don't need fall guys every time things go wrong. There are many teams trying to win. Not all can do it. It doesn't mean the ones who miss were mismanaged or coached. It might, but it's not a given, IMO.

 

Cora may be fired, but maybe only to be promoted.

[Old Red]

That's your view of life.

 

I don't need fall guys every time things go wrong. There are many teams trying to win. Not all can do it. It doesn't mean the ones who miss were mismanaged or coached. It might, but it's not a given, IMO.

 

Cora may be fired, but maybe only to be promoted.

 

Yes that’s my view not on life, but discussing the Red Sox. Like I keep telling you the here, and now is what’s most important, and if the here in now means a losing last place in the Div team, and out of the postseason then heads should roll. To give O’Hall the Exec VP of baseball ops, and bring back Cora just sounds like an inside job to me, and if not it’s pretty bad the new person in charge doesn’t get to pick who they want like Bloom didn’t either with Cora.

[sk7326]

On Sept 1 the Yankees were 65-69, and the Red Sox were 69-65. At that point the Yankees had nothing to play for, and the Red Sox had a postseason slot still in reach. Look at what’s happened since. The Yankees have gone 15-8, and the Red Sox have gone 7-16. The Yankees are playing to the end, and the Red Sox are not. Not a good look for Cora.

 

there were some injuries and the "returning players" still had to ramp up - and in the case of Story were still bad. And also - get serious. Did you ever see a 3 week stretch where this team was truly humming? There were some good 2-week stretches ... but did this team ever really have the chance to boss a 1/3 of the season?

 

The team was betting on a lot of hope, same as 2022 and 2021. 2021 there was more stable talent offensively - but a TON still had to go right on the pitching side (and did!). Ultimately, Bloom and the front office took very short term, speculative decisions with pitching .. sacrificing floor for bargain-shopping ceiling. You rely on rolling the dice, the spaghetti monster can bite you.

[Dipre]

Not to me, which I have said for two years now. There was plenty of talent on that 2020 team from the 2018 team, and ERod, and Sale were coming back, so common sense should have said not to look to much into 2020.

 

You keep saying you've said this stuff for two years, but I assume it's been ten, since you're always negative about everything. You don't have to tell us you've said this and that the last two years, we know your MO.

[mvp 78]

You keep saying you've said this stuff for two years, but I assume it's been ten, since you're always negative about everything. You don't have to tell us you've said this and that the last two years, we know your MO.

 

Prior to 2018, he said the Sox were going to miss the playoffs. 2016 and 2017 were fluke AL East titles. The team was due for regression. David Price was coming off the "magically healing arm" injury nonsense from 2017 and was not a sure bet for the rotation. Porcello was going to go back to being a 5 ERA guy.

[Bellhorn04]

No.

 

I agree with notin and "modest effort". There has to be some responsibility to the game.

[notin]

I agree with notin and "modest effort". There has to be some responsibility to the game.

 

They need to have some honor.

 

The advantage to playing the kids is at least they are trying like hell to make an impression…

[moonslav59]

You keep saying you've said this stuff for two years, but I assume it's been ten, since you're always negative about everything. You don't have to tell us you've said this and that the last two years, we know your MO.

 

The poll taken before the 2021 season showed most posters felt we'd win....

80-83 (4)

75-79 (3)

84-86 (2)

87-89 (1)

90-94 (2)

 

Red must have been one of the 90-94 guys. It's common sense.

[moonslav59]

Prior to 2018, he said the Sox were going to miss the playoffs. 2016 and 2017 were fluke AL East titles. The team was due for regression. David Price was coming off the "magically healing arm" injury nonsense from 2017 and was not a sure bet for the rotation. Porcello was going to go back to being a 5 ERA guy.

 

All "common sense."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They need to have some honor.

 

The advantage to playing the kids is at least they are trying like hell to make an impression…

 

Unlike the Yanks, the nefarious Sox haven't started energy guys like Rafaela every game, instead of tired old vets going through the motions.

 

If we played all the young guys going balls out, we might get worst draft picks next summer.

 

Whooped 'em again, eh Josey?

[Old Red]

The poll taken before the 2021 season showed most posters felt we'd win....

80-83 (4)

75-79 (3)

84-86 (2)

87-89 (1)

90-94 (2)

 

Red must have been one of the 90-94 guys. It's common sense.

I never vote in any of these predictions polls, and I wasn’t on here before the 2021 season started, but like I have said there was plenty of talent on the 2021 club to start the season to think the team would end up more like the 2021 team did than the 2020 team. 2018 did not carry into the 2019 team, and the 2019 team did not carry into the 2020, and fortunately the 2020 team did not carry into the 2021 team, and on, and on it goes.

[moonslav59]

I never vote in any of these predictions polls, and I wasn’t on here before the 2021 season started, but like I have said there was plenty of talent on the 2021 club to start the season to think the team would end up more like the 2021 team did than the 2020 team. 2018 did not carry into the 2019 team, and the 2019 team did not carry into the 2020, and fortunately the 2020 team did not carry into the 2021 team, and on, and on it goes.

 

More common sense.

[Old Red]

More common sense.[/quote

No I’m terrible on predicting, or seeing into the future like this version of the Red Sox being a 87 win team.

[Maxbialystock]

Unlike the Yanks, the nefarious Sox haven't started energy guys like Rafaela every game, instead of tired old vets going through the motions.

 

If we played all the young guys going balls out, we might get worst draft picks next summer.

 

Whooped 'em again, eh Josey?

 

Energy guys? Balls out?

 

Boy, do you have the wrong sport in mind. Baseball is all about hitting and pitching, neither of which is affected by how fast a batter can race to the batter's box or a pitcher to the freaking mound.

 

Also, in case you've forgotten--which you obviously have--the Sox made two rookies, Casas and Duran, regulars and semi-regulars. However, both are now on the IL--maybe because they were too "balls out."

 

The one truly old guy, Jason Turner, on the other hand, has played 1b, 3b, 2b, DH, etc in 142 games with 23 dingers and 96 rbi's. Long live old guys.

[moonslav59]

More common sense.[/quote

No I’m terrible on predicting, or seeing into the future like this version of the Red Sox being a 87 win team.

 

Huh? Are you projecting, again?

 

Mocking?

 

[Old Red]

 

Huh? Are you projecting, again?

 

Mocking?

 

No, and no!

[moonslav59]

The Houston talk radio shows are roasting Dusty Baker alive.

 

They point to favoritism, like playing Bregman 154 games while "resting" much better performers, too often.

 

Misuse of the pen, as in pitching pressly more than Abreu, when it counts.

 

Sound familiar?

 

When the team wins the same manager doing the same things is a genius.

[moonslav59]

No, and no!

 

What was the meaning, then?

[dgalehouse]

I think there was some tension between Cora and Bloom . And Alex became frustrated at times and was not at his best this season. But he has shown that he knows how to manage successfully. The failure of this year's team is largely on Bloom.

[Old Red]

The Houston talk radio shows are roasting Dusty Baker alive.

 

They point to favoritism, like playing Bregman 154 games while "resting" much better performers, too often.

 

Misuse of the pen, as in pitching pressly more than Abreu, when it counts.

 

Sound familiar?

 

When the team wins the same manager doing the same things is a genius.

Imagine if they don’t make the postseason. What have you done for me lately?

[Old Red]

 

What was the meaning, then?

 

I already said I’m terrible at predicting, or seeing the future. Unless it’s predictions like Bloom being bad in Boston of course.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Energy guys? Balls out?

 

Boy, do you have the wrong sport in mind. Baseball is all about hitting and pitching, neither of which is affected by how fast a batter can race to the batter's box or a pitcher to the freaking mound.

 

Also, in case you've forgotten--which you obviously have--the Sox made two rookies, Casas and Duran, regulars and semi-regulars. However, both are now on the IL--maybe because they were too "balls out."

 

The one truly old guy, Jason Turner, on the other hand, has played 1b, 3b, 2b, DH, etc in 142 games with 23 dingers and 96 rbi's. Long live old guys.

 

Post was in ref to the Yankees playing call-ups in September, and the Sox not playing their recent call-ups. It had nothing to do with Casas or Duran.

 

If you stopped watching the Sox this month, you spared yourself the sight of beaten veterans flailing away at three straight pitches, and if they did make contact, jogging to first -- sometimes even dropping their bats for a second before trudging back to the dugout.

 

Ya, those guys are really trying to impress scouts around the league to offer them new contracts over the winter...

[dgalehouse]

There surely is a difference of opinion as to just how important the manager is. Some think the manager makes very little difference. Most fans think that the home town manager is a dunce , and they could do much better. But that is mostly second guessing. Then you see examples like the Phillies firing Girardi and promoting Thomson. The improvement was immediate and significant . And there is Kevin Cash , who seems to get a thousand percent out of what he has to work with. I think he, more than anyone, is responsible for the Ray's success.

[Maxbialystock]

Post was in ref to the Yankees playing call-ups in September, and the Sox not playing their recent call-ups. It had nothing to do with Casas or Duran.

 

If you stopped watching the Sox this month, you spared yourself the sight of beaten veterans flailing away at three straight pitches, and if they did make contact, jogging to first -- sometimes even dropping their bats for a second before trudging back to the dugout.

 

Ya, those guys are really trying to impress scouts around the league to offer them new contracts over the winter...

 

Well, I sure can't blame you for getting pissed at those K's. They bugged me too.

 

In fact, I think the Sox could benefit from a page from the Rays book, the one that teaches them how to "command" the strike zone. I interpret that to mean partly pitch/location recognition, but also being ready to swing at good pitches. Too often the Sox seem unable to avoid swinging at bad pitches, but also not going after fat pitches--or going after them and missing.

[moonslav59]

Imagine if they don’t make the postseason. What have you done for me lately?

 

It's obvious many think like you do.