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[Elktonnick]

Apples and oranges. Cora's salary is a relative drop in the bucket and doesn't count for luxury tax purposes. The only question is whether they have mutual interest in a reunion.

 

You are the one claiming that they do. But Henry will lowball anyone if he can get away with it as would any owner. Even Shaughnessy's book cites money as playing a role in Francona's firing as ownership thought 9 million for 2 year was too much money, just like the Yankees thought the same of Giardi and the Cubs Maddon.

[Bellhorn04]

You are the one claiming that they do. But Henry will lowball anyone if he can get away with it as would any owner. Even Shaughnessy's book cites money as playing a role in Francona's firing as ownership thought 9 million for 2 year was too much money, just like the Yankees thought the same of Giardi and the Cubs Maddon.

 

So you're going on record that the deciding factor in whether the Red Sox re-hire Cora will be money?

[Elktonnick]

No but it will be one of the factors that Cora will take into consideration. He, for example may decide on a team other than Boston because of personal considerations even though that team was outbid by another non red sox team. Furthermore, we don't know of the personal dynamics between Cora and Chaim.

[Kimmi]

I will be surprised if the Sox fire or demote Roenicke merely to bring Cora back. I suspect that Cora will have other more attractive opportunities than Boston. I suspect he will be able to pick and choose among several offers some with better money than Boston.

 

That is very probable. I'm sure there will be many teams that would be happy to have Cora. I think that Cora would want to return to the Sox. I have no way of knowing for sure, but that's the feeling I get about it.

 

Some of the decision might depend on how Roenicke does with the team this year. The players and management might decide they like Roenicke better. Roenicke might lead us to a World Series this year.

[Kimmi]

You hit it right on. If I am Cora why would I automatically go back to Boston. I am sure there will be other clubs out there that would be far more attractive to him than Boston. Now that Cora has a World Series win to his resume and a clean bill of health regarding his 2018 title, he is in the cat bird's seat. I am sure it is not lost on him how quickly Henry goes south on title winning skippers. No I wouldn' t think Cora will be too excited to.coming back to Boston. unless they literally outbid every other Club wanting his services.

 

I don't really think Cora felt a lot of ill will towards the FO after they let him go. Cora understands that it was the right thing to do.

[Elktonnick]

I don't really think Cora felt a lot of ill will towards the FO after they let him go. Cora understands that it was the right thing to do.

 

The truth is no one knows what Cora really thinks about how he was treated by Boston.. .We do know that Cora had an excellent relationship with DD. With him gone that may be a factor in Cora's relationship with Boston.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If Boston wants him, they also could have just let him serve his suspension rather than firing him prior to any investigation of their own team...

 

But -- Kennedy was adamant at the time that Cora insisted on leaving... shouldn't we take him at his word, and believe every spokesperson of every business organization?

 

I also seem to recall when all the beat writers were calling for Cora's head (you know, the same scribes who are now saying rehire him), that Shaugnessey, at least, was appalled that Boston ownership had implied it was willing to ride it out with AC...

 

The current vibe I sense, though, is that Bloom isn't exactly thrilled with the idea of bringing back Dombrowski's guy (and his baggage).

[Northern Star]

I don't really think Cora felt a lot of ill will towards the FO after they let him go. Cora understands that it was the right thing to do.

 

So if that was the right thing to do, how can rehiring him also be the right thing? I think the situation requires moving on permanently.

[Thunder]

So if that was the right thing to do, how can rehiring him also be the right thing? I think the situation requires moving on permanently.

 

I agree. I don't think we have Cora in 2021. Just because we were cleared of any wrongdoing doesn't make it right. Definitely wouldn't be a good PR look

[Bellhorn04]

So if that was the right thing to do, how can rehiring him also be the right thing? I think the situation requires moving on permanently.

 

Rehiring can be the right thing because he will have done his time, served his one year suspension, just like manager Hinch of the Astros.

[Elktonnick]

Rehiring can be the right thing because he will have done his time, served his one year suspension, just like manager Hinch of the Astros.

 

No one knows how Houston's front office feels about Hinch. The Houston owner took a real hard position against both Hinch and the former GM.

[notin]

Rehiring can be the right thing because he will have done his time, served his one year suspension, just like manager Hinch of the Astros.

 

Assuming the front office is still enamored with Cora.

 

Roenicke’s case can only be helped by less baseball. If he has to try to get 100 games in with that rotation in a ten team division, with no Chris Sale and a questionable bullpen, his head will be on the chopping block through no fault of his own...

[Bellhorn04]

No one knows how Houston's front office feels about Hinch. The Houston owner took a real hard position against both Hinch and the former GM.

 

We shall see, we shall see.

[Bellhorn04]

Assuming the front office is still enamored with Cora.

 

Roenicke’s case can only be helped by less baseball. If he has to try to get 100 games in with that rotation in a ten team division, with no Chris Sale and a questionable bullpen, his head will be on the chopping block through no fault of his own...

 

He's a 2020 placeholder, book it.

[Elktonnick]

He's a 2020 placeholder, book it.

 

That isn't analysis but rather a wish.

[notin]

He's a 2020 placeholder, book it.

 

I can’t see it as committed one way or the other.

 

The Sox did fire Cora very quickly, and for something he did prior to coming to Boston. Is there more to that story?

[Bellhorn04]

That isn't analysis but rather a wish.

 

It's just a prediction Nick.

[Kimmi]

But -- Kennedy was adamant at the time that Cora insisted on leaving... shouldn't we take him at his word, and believe every spokesperson of every business organization?

 

I also seem to recall when all the beat writers were calling for Cora's head (you know, the same scribes who are now saying rehire him), that Shaugnessey, at least, was appalled that Boston ownership had implied it was willing to ride it out with AC...

 

The current vibe I sense, though, is that Bloom isn't exactly thrilled with the idea of bringing back Dombrowski's guy (and his baggage).

 

Is Cora baggage though?

 

I understand that GMs like to bring in 'their guy' as a manager, but why can't Cora also be Bloom's guy? To me, Cora seems like a Bloom type of guy.

[notin]

It's just a prediction Nick.

 

It depends how fair of a chance Roenicke gets. They did deal him a bad hand if he is to get judged on one season...

[Bellhorn04]

I can’t see it as committed one way or the other.

 

The Sox did fire Cora very quickly, and for something he did prior to coming to Boston. Is there more to that story?

 

If you go back to when it happened, everyone seemed to agree it was the only thing that could be done at the time.

 

Same thing happened to Beltran of course, and he wasn't even under threat of discipline.

 

As for now, the media speculation, including Shaughnessy, seems to be that the Red Sox are very open to having to having him back. We're hearing how ownership loves him and the players all love him. Not a single negative thing other than the one-year suspension. All signs seem to be favorable.

[Bellhorn04]

It depends how fair of a chance Roenicke gets. They did deal him a bad hand if he is to get judged on one season...

 

I disagree. In my speculative world, Roenicke goes back to bench coach in 2021.

[Kimmi]

So if that was the right thing to do, how can rehiring him also be the right thing? I think the situation requires moving on permanently.

 

Because letting Cora go was due to his part in the Astros cheating scandal. Cora was not found guilty of any wrongdoing with the Sox. If Cora had been found guilty of cheating with the Sox, then he should not come back. But that's not the case. Cora is serving his punishment for what he did with the Astros. Once he serves that, he should be given another opportunity with the Sox.

[Kimmi]

I agree. I don't think we have Cora in 2021. Just because we were cleared of any wrongdoing doesn't make it right. Definitely wouldn't be a good PR look

 

I don't think it would be a bad PR look. His involvement with the Astros wasn't as bad as officially reported.

[Kimmi]

He's a 2020 placeholder, book it.

 

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[Kimmi]

If you go back to when it happened, everyone seemed to agree it was the only thing that could be done at the time.

 

Same thing happened to Beltran of course, and he wasn't even under threat of discipline.

 

As for now, the media speculation, including Shaughnessy, seems to be that the Red Sox are very open to having to having him back. We're hearing how ownership loves him and the players all love him. Not a single negative thing other than the one-year suspension. All signs seem to be favorable.

 

I am with you on this one Bell.

[notin]

I disagree. In my speculative world, Roenicke goes back to bench coach in 2021.

 

While we are admittedly in rarely navigated waters, have you EVER heard of any team doing something like that? In any sport? Fire the manager/head coach, then bring him back and demote his replacement?

 

Cora isn’t the first manager to be suspended in any sport. But I can’t think of a precedent for your prediction.

 

Or a reason...

[notin]

If you go back to when it happened, everyone seemed to agree it was the only thing that could be done at the time.

 

Same thing happened to Beltran of course, and he wasn't even under threat of discipline.

 

As for now, the media speculation, including Shaughnessy, seems to be that the Red Sox are very open to having to having him back. We're hearing how ownership loves him and the players all love him. Not a single negative thing other than the one-year suspension. All signs seem to be favorable.

 

Well, there are three negatives.

 

1) Restgate. No idea if Henry and Co. weigh this as heavily as many fans.

 

2) A dismal 2019 season.

 

3) New GM. Sometimes those new guys want their fingerprints on everything, just in case it works.

 

Cora is clearly very popular, but that doesn’t mean Roenicke isn’t. Bloom might want his own guy. While a lot of Sox fans think Grady Little was fired solely due to game 7 of the ALCS, that’s pretty unlikely. The bigger factor was probably Theo wanting his own guy. It’s not like Grady had a bad track record in Boston. You can probably win some drinks by asking Sox fans in bars (whatever they are) which Sox manager had a higher winning percentage - Grady Little or Terry Francona? (Little’s .580 edges out Francona’s .574.)

 

But Little was brought in by Mike Port. I’d be surprised if that wasn’t a factor...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well, there are three negatives.

 

1) Restgate. No idea if Henry and Co. weigh this as heavily as many fans.

 

2) A dismal 2019 season.

 

3) New GM. Sometimes those new guys want their fingerprints on everything, just in case it works.

 

Cora is clearly very popular, but that doesn’t mean Roenicke isn’t. Bloom might want his own guy. While a lot of Sox fans think Grady Little was fired solely due to game 7 of the ALCS, that’s pretty unlikely. The bigger factor was probably Theo wanting his own guy. It’s not like Grady had a bad track record in Boston. You can probably win some drinks by asking Sox fans in bars (whatever they are) which Sox manager had a higher winning percentage - Grady Little or Terry Francona? (Little’s .580 edges out Francona’s .574.)

 

But Little was brought in by Mike Port. I’d be surprised if that wasn’t a factor...

 

My intuition tells me it's all about #3. Well, that and the quotes about Cora. Henry: "Love."; Werner: "Love!", Kennedy: "LOVE!"

 

Bloom: "All the reasons we parted ways with him then are still the case."

 

Reasons, as in plural?

[Elktonnick]

My intuition tells me it's all about #3. Well, that and the quotes about Cora. Henry: "Love."; Werner: "Love!", Kennedy: "LOVE!"

 

Bloom: "All the reasons we parted ways with him then are still the case."

 

Reasons, as in plural?

 

I agree. I think there is reason to believe Chaim isn't as set on Cora's return as some fans are.

[Bellhorn04]

While we are admittedly in rarely navigated waters, have you EVER heard of any team doing something like that? In any sport? Fire the manager/head coach, then bring him back and demote his replacement?

 

Cora isn’t the first manager to be suspended in any sport. But I can’t think of a precedent for your prediction.

 

Or a reason...

 

It's unprecedented, yes. But not being able to think of a reason for this happening is strange.