A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

[Slasher9]

Through his age 27 season Mike Cameron had posted 14.0 fWAR in 597 games en route to 50.7 fWAR in his MLB career.

 

Through his age 27 season Jackie Bradley Jr. has posted 9.9 fWAR in 527 games.

 

Here's hoping JBj doesn't go the PED route as your comp did....

[Bellhorn04]

Shaw and Lin have also been learning the OF.

 

As in Sam Travis Shaw?

[moonslav59]

As in Sam Travis Shaw?

 

LOL!

 

I keep doing that!

[moonslav59]

2017 Red Sox Starting Pitchers

 

Out of 82 AL starting pitchers with 70+ IP our starters placed....

 

ERA-

3. Sale 64

8. Pom 73

19. Price 84

27. ERod 93

42. Porcello 102

46. Fister 104

 

If you go by the top 15 are aces, the next 15 are number 2's and on and on, we had...

 

2 aces

2 number 2's

1 number 3 and a top number 4 in Fister.

 

 

[mvp 78]

Would desperate dave be interested in signing Ethier as his 4th outfielder?

 

If they need a platoon bat, they need to get a guy who mashes lefties. Ethier does not.

[mvp 78]

Just use Brock Holt as a fourth outfielder. . If for no other reason that maybe they can stop using him as an infielder. .

 

I have a nice seat warming for him in my catapult aimed at the Boston Harbor.

[mvp 78]

Michael Chavis should shag flies in LF.

[moonslav59]

Michael Chavis should shag flies in LF.

 

They were working out Travis in LF in the Fall League, but he went home with a minor injury.

 

Lin has played some OF.

 

Holt will likely be on the 25 man roster, at least until Pedey returns.

[mvp 78]

They were working out Travis in LF in the Fall League, but he went home with a minor injury.

 

Lin has played some OF.

 

Holt will likely be on the 25 man roster, at least until Pedey returns.

 

I hate Holt. He's useless. I used to be a big fan but he just sucks a big fat one right now.

[moonslav59]

I hate Holt. He's useless. I used to be a big fan but he just sucks a big fat one right now.

 

I wanted to trade Holt long ago. I think his piss poor offense this year was injury related, but I'd still rather have Hernandez & Lin over Holt in the infield. (Holt's best position is 2B, so maybe we hold onto him for two months, and he builds some trade value while playing at 2B and 4th OF'er for the first 2 months.

[moonslav59]

MLBTR reports...

 

The Red Sox have announced that Dana LeVangie will become the team’s new pitching coach. Also joining the staff is Ramon Vazquez.

[moonslav59]

Scott Bora$$ is seeking $200M for JD Martinez. (Maybe 7-8 years?)

[Northern Star]

Scott Bora$$ is seeking $200M for JD Martinez. (Maybe 7-8 years?)

 

Any reason for his HR/RBI inconsistencies?

[Northern Star]

MLBTR reports...

 

The Red Sox have announced that Dana LeVangie will become the team’s new pitching coach..

 

There is no Dana, only Zuul.

[moonslav59]

Any reason for his HR/RBI inconsistencies?

 

Certainly worrisome.

[oldtimer]

Scott Bora$$ is seeking $200M for JD Martinez. (Maybe 7-8 years?)

 

I was born too long ago to see this kind of contract as realistic. Too long and too much money. The guy is good offensively now but certainly no defensive force. We probably can't get him for 3 or 4 years at most, but if so, we should let someone else take him on.

[moonslav59]

I was born too long ago to see this kind of contract as realistic. Too long and too much money. The guy is good offensively now but certainly no defensive force. We probably can't get him for 3 or 4 years at most, but if so, we should let someone else take him on.

 

I do not want to pay JD $200M, even if it was for 10 years, but if we miss out on JD or Stanton, I just know, in my heart of hearts, we'll end up with Hosmer.

 

Please, NO!

[Slasher9]

Scott Bora$$ is seeking $200M for JD Martinez. (Maybe 7-8 years?)

 

Another reason why trading for Giancarlo is the priority

[Larry Cook]

Or wait until 2019 and go balls out for Harper or machado!

 

Ps; at least if machado is on our team, he is less likely to beat up and/or injure banana boy pedroia!

[moonslav59]

Another reason why trading for Giancarlo is the priority

 

Make a reasonable offer to JD and go get Stanton, if Bor-A$$ says no/

Edited November 9, 2017 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Jay Bruce reportedly seeking up to $90M/5!

 

I almost had a half-chewed peanut come out my nose as I burst out laughing.

[moonslav59]

Jay Bruce reportedly seeking up to $90M/5!

 

I almost had a half-chewed peanut come out my nose as I burst out laughing.

 

If Bruce is wortth $90M/5, then JD is worth $270M/5.

[notin]

Jay Bruce reportedly seeking up to $90M/5!

 

I almost had a half-chewed peanut come out my nose as I burst out laughing.

 

If Jay Bruce gets that, I will declare free agency for myself and make a reasonable demand of $20mill for 3 years..

[notin]

I was born too long ago to see this kind of contract as realistic. Too long and too much money. The guy is good offensively now but certainly no defensive force. We probably can't get him for 3 or 4 years at most, but if so, we should let someone else take him on.

 

JD is the headliner bat on the market. But he's the type of hitter that whoever signs will regret and try to trade in 3 or 4 years.

 

He soon turns 31 years old, basically the same age Hanley Ramirez was when he signed in Boston. Prior to Boston, Hanley had a better career than JD. He came here for fewer years and less money than JD wants. And most fans want his shorter deal gone already, to the point where many advocate signing Lucas Duda or Logan Morrison in order to steal playing time and stop Hanley's option from vesting...

[Bellhorn04]

JD is the headliner bat on the market. But he's the type of hitter that whoever signs will regret and try to trade in 3 or 4 years.

 

He soon turns 31 years old, basically the same age Hanley Ramirez was when he signed in Boston. Prior to Boston, Hanley had a better career than JD. He came here for fewer years and less money than JD wants. And most fans want his shorter deal gone already, to the point where many advocate signing Lucas Duda or Logan Morrison in order to steal playing time and stop Hanley's option from vesting...

 

There's no question that Hanley had the better career before we signed him.

 

If you go by something like previous 3 or 4 seasons, though, Martinez has at least put up consistently strong offensive numbers for a decent stretch. Hanley was more like the human roller coaster.

[jacksonianmarch]

Martinez is hitting the market at a time where power is premium and he’s the best power hitter on the market. After the Royals won the WS, there was a slight change in analytics where speed and defense got inflated dollar amount. After watching teams like the Yankees, Astros, LA and Chicago bludgeon their way to the championship series and see a thrilling power filled World Series, the GMs are digging the long ball. You’re not getting JD on a discount. He’s got Boras and that dink k owe what this kid is worth. His opening salvos are always bombastic. I think a 5 yr $135 mil or 6 yr $160 mil deal is about what he gets. He’ll sniff $200 mil, but fall well short

[Bellhorn04]

Martinez is hitting the market at a time where power is premium and he’s the best power hitter on the market. After the Royals won the WS, there was a slight change in analytics where speed and defense got inflated dollar amount. After watching teams like the Yankees, Astros, LA and Chicago bludgeon their way to the championship series and see a thrilling power filled World Series, the GMs are digging the long ball. You’re not getting JD on a discount. He’s got Boras and that dink k owe what this kid is worth. His opening salvos are always bombastic. I think a 5 yr $135 mil or 6 yr $160 mil deal is about what he gets. He’ll sniff $200 mil, but fall well short

 

Valid argument, but yet to be tested in the market.

 

Some GM's may be a little leery because not everyone was impressed by the big power surge and we just might see things go back in the other direction.

[Bellhorn04]

I'll predict Lester money for JDM - 6 years, 155 million.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'll predict Lester money for JDM - 6 years, 155 million.

 

And I predict it’ll be Boston

[moonslav59]

I hate deal like this, but once again, what other choices do we have?

 

We can't trade the last of our prospects without risking even our staunchest plateau dwellers turning into cliff dwellers.

 

We could try to replicate 2013, but signing players to 3 years or less, but we don't have that many open positions in our line-up, especially when Pedey returns.

 

We need one top clean-up with power, and the FA market is limited.

 

JD Martinez

Moustakas

Santana

 

Take a flyer on...

Duda

Morrison

Hosmer

 

Trades?

Stanton (take the full salary to lessen the return needed?)

Abreu

______?