A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

[oldtimer]

Weird, since there's no reason to lie, DD said there were no known surgeries on the day Robby Scott had surgery.

 

Now, ERod and HRam both go under the knife today.

 

ERod's was major: he may not be ready until mid 2018.

 

HRam's surgery was described as minor. MLBTR reports it was "an arthrocopy and debridement. It is not expected to prevent him from being ready for a full 2018 campaign....

 

Maybe HRam deserves some slack for his 2017 season, and this procedure will help him comeback strong.

 

The definition of debridement is to get rid of the obvious issues and after that settles down, look again for structural issues. More may come of this.

[moonslav59]

The definition of debridement is to get rid of the obvious issues and after that settles down, look again for structural issues. More may come of this.

 

I hope it's either good or bad- not in between.

 

If he comes back strong, hurrah!

 

If he never comes back, we save $22M in 2019.

 

Just don't repeat 2015 or 2017!

[Spudboy]

Is ERod the next Buchholz?

 

Maybe.

 

Or he is another Dubrant.

[Larry Cook]

I've torn my acl, mcl and pcl as well as the patella tendon previously, but not the ligament that Rodriguez just had fixed.

 

Six months seems like a short recovery period. I would think nine months is a better figure,

[illinoisredsox]

I've torn my acl, mcl and pcl as well as the patella tendon previously, but not the ligament that Rodriguez just had fixed.

 

Six months seems like a short recovery period. I would think nine months is a better figure,

 

I’m not saying that your 9 month scenario isn’t possible but one thing we have to remember: pro athletes are physical freaks who have access to world class facilities, therapists and trainers that us mere mortals can only dream of. They also have the time to train and rehab as much as needed to possibly accelerate recovery.

[jacksonianmarch]

They cut his patellar tendon and reattached it. It’s the largest tendon in the body and takes the longest to heal. Doing it in a controlled environment certainly decreases the recovery time, but this is the kind of issue that will rob him of strength initially. He’s in for a long recovery. Like i said, prepare for 2018 as if he doesn’t play, and if he returns well, gravy.

 

 

As for Hanley, they debrided his shoulder. When they’re in there, they look for structural issues. He most likely had some fraying or some loose bodies in there, but the cuff and the labrum must have looked otherwise intact, otherwise they’d have repaired them. If all they did was a little cleanup, he’ll be ready for ST. If he in fact had a repair, then he’ll be 50/50 for ST

[Slasher9]

Weird, since there's no reason to lie, DD said there were no known surgeries on the day Robby Scott had surgery.

 

Now, ERod and HRam both go under the knife today.

 

ERod's was major: he may not be ready until mid 2018.

 

HRam's surgery was described as minor. MLBTR reports it was "an arthrocopy and debridement. It is not expected to prevent him from being ready for a full 2018 campaign....

 

Maybe HRam deserves some slack for his 2017 season, and this procedure will help him comeback strong.

 

DD is an idiot.

this is now 3 different players that have had surgeries in the 5 days since we have been knocked out of the postseason and his declaration that no players require surgery.

FIRE DD NOW.

[Slasher9]

 

Maybe we'll see more line-up consistency next year.

 

some will tell you it does not matter where a player bats. the results will remain the same.

of course this is hogwash.

[sk7326]

Last 4 year OPS+ numbers (2014 to 2017)

 

Eric Hosmer- 28 this month

99> 122> 102> 132

 

Logan Morrison- 31 in August

111> 92> 101> 135

 

Yonder Alonso- 31 in April

96> 109> 88> 133

 

Carlos Santana- 32 in June

122> 102> 123> 112

 

Lucas Duda- 32 in FEB

137> 130> 92> 116

 

Mitch Moreland- 33 in SEP

80> 116> 87> 99

 

John Jaso- 35 in SEP

118>134> 105> 91

 

Mark Reynolds- 35 in AUG

87> 93> 101> 105

 

Adam Lins-35 in JULY

143> 123> 94> 123

 

 

I'm not sure JD Martinez can play 1B, but he turns 31 next AUG

154> 139> 142> 166

 

wRC+ 2014-2017 combined

(148 JD Martinez OF)

139 Abreu

124 Duda

120 Santana

117 Lind

116 AGon

116 Hosmer

113 HRam

113 J Jaso

109 Morrison

108 M Adams

98 Reynolds

98 Moreland

107 Alonso

 

Martinez can probably play 1B - probably can't do anything else well. Given that 1B/LF are your usual positions to put players who can't do anything else defensively (and DH is taken).

 

Hosmer has had meh results, but is much younger than the cohort - so you can at least dream on him a little. Santana is the best of the other options (besides Hosmer and Martinez) ... good on base skills.

[moonslav59]

DD is an idiot.

this is now 3 different players that have had surgeries in the 5 days since we have been knocked out of the postseason and his declaration that no players require surgery.

FIRE DD NOW.

 

The thing that gets me is that apparently one major reason he fired JF was because of faulty communication.

 

What kind of communication is DD having with his medical staff?

 

"The buck stops here," is apparently not something DD aspires towards.

 

(Note: I am not even close to calling for DD's firing.)

 

[moonslav59]

Martinez can probably play 1B - probably can't do anything else well. Given that 1B/LF are your usual positions to put players who can't do anything else defensively (and DH is taken).

 

Hosmer has had meh results, but is much younger than the cohort - so you can at least dream on him a little. Santana is the best of the other options (besides Hosmer and Martinez) ... good on base skills.

 

To me, Hosmer is not someone I dream of. He's more a nightmare to me.

 

He'll likely get 4 years. That's signing up for 4 years of mediocrity from a position most known for power and offense- something we need badly this winter.

 

25 HRs over the last two years is fine, but that's about what we got from Moreland for just $5.5M and 1 year.

 

We need better. We must do better than Hoze.

[mvp 78]

The fact that people are using DD's comment about surgeries as some litmus test for his capabilities is astounding to me. Of all the things that don't matter, that comment is at the top of the list.

[Slasher9]

The fact that people are using DD's comment about surgeries as some litmus test for his capabilities is astounding to me. Of all the things that don't matter, that comment is at the top of the list.

 

you know...except when he trades your #1 prospect for a pitcher with a hurt arm. (see: POM POM).

also, perception is reality. and the perception is that DD hasn't a clue about his players.

"No one is scheduled for surgery"

four days later: 3 players have gone under the knife.

[mvp 78]

you know...except when he trades your #1 prospect for a pitcher with a hurt arm. (see: POM POM).

also, perception is reality. and the perception is that DD hasn't a clue about his players.

"No one is scheduled for surgery"

four days later: 3 players have gone under the knife.

 

How is that #1 prospect's arm?

[Bellhorn04]

The fact that people are using DD's comment about surgeries as some litmus test for his capabilities is astounding to me. Of all the things that don't matter, that comment is at the top of the list.

 

Agreed. It does make him look stupid though.

[mvp 78]

Agreed. It does make him look stupid though.

 

Or maybe the surgeries weren't scheduled until after his comments? Maybe players were still under assessment? I'm not sure Robby Scott counts as someone that needs to be mentioned if a reporter asks about offseason surgeries.

 

Silverman seems to think that Dombrowski was being honest and that the extent of the injuries weren't known at the time.

 

@MikeSilvermanBB

 

I don't think he misled.

[mvp 78]

Does anyone have the direct quote? I can't seem to find it.

[moonslav59]

The fact that people are using DD's comment about surgeries as some litmus test for his capabilities is astounding to me. Of all the things that don't matter, that comment is at the top of the list.

 

Yea, probably, but it was pretty absurd.

[mvp 78]

Yea, probably, but it was pretty absurd.

 

How so? He said no surgeries were scheduled at that time and probably was more focused on firing John Farrell than thinking about AAAA Robby Scott. Hanley and ERod were probably not scheduled or 100% determined at that point.

[jacksonianmarch]

mvp, most surgeries performed in the immediate aftermath of a season are known about before hand. DD just wasn't tipping his hand

[mvp 78]

mvp, most surgeries performed in the immediate aftermath of a season are known about before hand. DD just wasn't tipping his hand

 

Would you have a problem if Cashman did the same thing?

[oldtimer]

mvp, most surgeries performed in the immediate aftermath of a season are known about before hand. DD just wasn't tipping his hand

 

Probably the best explanation. Just as Pedey and Nunez may require surgery but whose talking about that now, especially when looking for players who may need to fill positions.

[Slasher9]

How is that #1 prospect's arm?

 

TJS. but i bet the Padres GM knew he was having surgery the day before he actually had surgery.

[notin]

TJS. but i bet the Padres GM knew he was having surgery the day before he actually had surgery.

 

 

Did he talk about it in a press conference?

 

So this thread is a bunch of people complaining Dombrowski didn't know or talk about surgeries, as if his opinion on the subject matters. On another thread is a bunch of people trying to give hitting advice to Dustin Pedroia and Mookie Betts.

 

Can we get a lower thread?

[harmony]

Is ERod the next Buchholz?

The Red Sox traded for Eduardo Rodriguez in July 2014 after a knee injury had shelved the then 21-year-old lefthander for five weeks earlier in the season:

 

https://nesn.com/2014/09/red-sox-prospect-eduardo-rodriguez-learned-a-lot-from-johan-santana/

 

The Red Sox have been fortunate to squeeze 5.0 fWAR from Rodriguez in 66 games over the past three seasons:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=13164&position=P

[notin]

mvp, most surgeries performed in the immediate aftermath of a season are known about before hand. DD just wasn't tipping his hand

 

You're a doctor, right?

 

At some point, doesn't Dombrowski talking publicly about players' medical histories and diagnoses violate HIPPA Laws.

 

He probably has some authorization, but is there a line he can't cross? If so, doesn't it make sense to just duck the question?

[Slasher9]

Did he talk about it in a press conference?

 

So this thread is a bunch of people complaining Dombrowski didn't know or talk about surgeries, as if his opinion on the subject matters.

 

Notin - do you believe a major league baseball GM (or President of Operations) should know when not 1, not 2, but 3 of his current 25 man roster players are getting surgery? is that the least bit important to a GM that 3 of 25 players are having surgery?

 

sorry, the man looks clueless on this and doesnt get a "pass" from me.

[mvp 78]

Did he talk about it in a press conference?

 

So this thread is a bunch of people complaining Dombrowski didn't know or talk about surgeries, as if his opinion on the subject matters. On another thread is a bunch of people trying to give hitting advice to Dustin Pedroia and Mookie Betts.

 

Can we get a lower thread?

 

When a player has a negative offensive WAR, I don't think fan advice would be any worse than their current approach!

[moonslav59]

How so? He said no surgeries were scheduled at that time and probably was more focused on firing John Farrell than thinking about AAAA Robby Scott. Hanley and ERod were probably not scheduled or 100% determined at that point.

 

Why don't you tell me why you think it's not absurd for a GM to know one of his players is having surgery and two more will be shortly.

 

I think my position does not need explaining any more.

[moonslav59]

mvp, most surgeries performed in the immediate aftermath of a season are known about before hand. DD just wasn't tipping his hand

 

Tipping his hand on Scott?

 

Absurd.