2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[Jack Flap]

The rumours are all off the same article to be fair. There isn't new news on the topic, just recycled news.

 

True. "Recycled news" is the story of this winter so far...

[mvp 78]

That's too much money to reward a punk with just because he can play baseball.

 

I don't even know how to respond to this.

[Spudboy]

Macholo IS a punk.

 

I can't stand to even look at him.

 

I have felt this way since long before the Pedroia collision.

 

Never the less, he is very talented.

 

I would never pay him 8/300.

[cp176]

Macholo IS a punk.

 

I can't stand to even look at him.

 

I have felt this way since long before the Pedroia collision.

 

Never the less, he is very talented.

 

I would never pay him 8/300.

 

I agree with you with respect to how you feel about Machado. I also agree with SS too. The but for me is that I'm not sure that currently we don't already have a few punks playing for us. If we were able to sign Martinez, I would trade Bogaerts and a couple of prospects for him even if it was just for one year. If it worked out, try to sign him. if it didn't so be it. Losing Bogaerts doesn't concern me all that much. As for the prospects - oh well. Part of my feeling this way is that I am absolutely positive that the Yankees would s*** themselves if they thought they had to face that potential lineup when they play. The Sox could then market their new revenue creator - Dirty Dave's special hemorrhoidal cream - Yankee fans would pay a premium for it. They would need it.

[harmony]

Macholo IS a punk.

 

I can't stand to even look at him.

 

I have felt this way since long before the Pedroia collision.

 

Never the less, he is very talented.

 

I would never pay him 8/300.

I recall a writer's label -- "He's a little loudmouth punk" -- in this 2008 ESPN story about Dustin Pedroia

 

http://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3512455

Edited January 3, 2018 by harmony

[S5Dewey]

As has been said, if you want someone to find an orange three-toed elephant on line then Harmony's your man, even if he has to go back ten years to do it.

[Bellhorn04]

I recall a writer's label -- "He's a little loudmouth punk" -- in this 2008 ESPN story about Dustin Pedroia

 

http://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3512455

 

Not really a 'label', the comment was half in jest and part of a profile that was very favorable to Pedroia.

[Spudboy]

As has been said, if you want someone to find an orange three-toed elephant on line then Harmony's your man, even if he has to go back ten years to do it.

 

lulz

[Kimmi]

When you don't have any pitching you have to get it from trades or free agency. Dombrowski did both and has been lambasted in some quarters for virtually every big-ticket move.

 

Because he overpaid on both counts and because he overdid it.

[Kimmi]

I'm with you... I've never agreed with the premise that the opt-out is only good for the player. Even if Price had three healthy, Cy Young caliber years in Boston, I'd still happily let him walk and let someone else overpay for his mid and late 30's, knowing we got what was likely the best part of the original deal at a reasonable price and could then spend that $30 million on younger players.

 

I'd probably never offer a long-term contract without one.

 

I agree as well, as long as the Sox aren't tempted to re-sign Price for even more money.

[Kimmi]

If Eric Hosmer has a seven-year, $147 million offer from the Kansas City Royals, as reported:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/01/03/eric-hosmer-offered-seven-year-147-million-deal-return-royals/998796001/

 

... I suspect J.D. Martinez will get better offers.

 

The loser of the apparent Hosmer bidding contest between the Royals and the Padres may turn their attention to Martinez.

 

Thank goodness Dombrowski signed Moreland is all I have to say.

[Kimmi]

Just say NO to Machado. Please.

[baseball jones]

I haven't found a link for this yet (will post it if I do), but over on SoxProspects it was posted that Jim Bowden said in a discussion on MLB Network that the Red Sox had offered a position player off their MLB roster (maybe Bogaerts?) and Jason Groome for Machado. Since that, meager as it is, is as close to real news as we've had in a while, I was curious what you all thought.

 

For my part, though I'd love to have Machado the player, trading significant assets to rent him for one year just doesn't make sense. In a down year for both, Machado wasn't significantly more valuable than Bogaerts in 2017 (2.8 vs 3.2 fWAR / 3.5 vs 2.2 bWAR), while Xander comes with an extra year of control and I still don't feel like we've seen his best yet.

 

I can't see it...and yet the rumors aren't going away.

 

this is the same way we got pedro...i would not like losing xander either.i'd like to move him to second and see what happens with pedrioa

[baseball jones]

price will not opt out and walkaway from $127,000,000.00 at his age.no one will pay him anywhere near that for four years or even five.who walks away from that?

[notin]

price will not opt out and walkaway from $127,000,000.00 at his age.no one will pay him anywhere near that for four years or even five.who walks away from that?

 

He only does if he has a terrific season and thinks he can get more years or if he just wants out of Boston.

 

Odds are he stays...

[notin]

I recall a writer's label -- "He's a little loudmouth punk" -- in this 2008 ESPN story about Dustin Pedroia

 

http://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3512455

 

The writers gave Pedroia another label in 2008 - MVP...

[Jasonbay44]

No one understands the Quarterback Rating.

 

And the NBA has some complex ones now too...

 

I hate the QB rating.. I've never understood why 158.3 = perfect..

[harmony]

Not really a 'label', the comment was half in jest and part of a profile that was very favorable to Pedroia.

My point was that one fan's treasure is another fan's trash.

[moonslav59]

Thank goodness Dombrowski signed Moreland is all I have to say.

 

I was not happy with the Moreland signing, but in all honesty, I would not have signed Hosmer to half of what he is reportedly offered.

 

Comparing Moreland to the Santana deal is a little more difficult, and there's little power difference between the two.

[SoxnCycles]

Just say NO to Machado. Please.

 

Yup, the Sox are all stocked up with unlikable characters.

[SoxnCycles]

He only does if he has a terrific season and thinks he can get more years or if he just wants out of Boston.

 

Odds are he stays...

 

Thanks, now I'm depressed.

[Bellhorn04]

Because he overpaid on both counts and because he overdid it.

 

I won't argue about the overpaid part, that's probably fair.

 

But I don't see how he overdid it on the pitching. You have said yourself that we still need another #2 type starter.

[Bellhorn04]

My point was that one fan's treasure is another fan's trash.

 

Let's be clear though. The claims about Machado being a punk are mainly to do with some arguably dirty plays he has made.

[cp176]

Let's be clear though. The claims about Machado being a punk are mainly to do with some arguably dirty plays he has made.

 

Since everything has to be prefaced these days - here we go - I'm no Machado fan but I really think that the impressions people have of a guy like that would change dramatically if he was playing for us.

[Kimmi]

price will not opt out and walkaway from $127,000,000.00 at his age.no one will pay him anywhere near that for four years or even five.who walks away from that?

 

At one time, I would have completely agreed with this. However, after seeing Greinke receive a larger contract after opting out, I wouldn't be surprised to see Price do the same if he pitches well this season. Also, if Price is unhappy in Boston, he just might be willing to leave a little money on the table. So maybe he doesn't get quite as much, but he could receive a comparable contract from a team that he would be much happier pitching for.

 

That said, there are two things working heavily against Price opting out:

 

1. His elbow

2. The new CBA penalties

[Kimmi]

I was not happy with the Moreland signing, but in all honesty, I would not have signed Hosmer to half of what he is reportedly offered.

 

Comparing Moreland to the Santana deal is a little more difficult, and there's little power difference between the two.

 

I was not as dead set against Hosmer as you were, per se. I was just dead set against the type of contract I figured he would get. Seven years for him is just crazy.

 

Santana's deal is more reasonable, but even with that, the $20 mil a year is a bit much. Plus, he had that dreaded qualifying offer attached to him.

 

I am perfectly fine with having Moreland back.

[Bellhorn04]

Since everything has to be prefaced these days - here we go - I'm no Machado fan but I really think that the impressions people have of a guy like that would change dramatically if he was playing for us.

 

I understand that line of thinking. But it seems like whenever we've signed a guy who had any sort of character/personality issues attached to him, it hasn't worked out very well. Maybe it's because of that old adage about Boston being a tough place to play. But acquiring Machado would make me very nervous.

[Kimmi]

Yup, the Sox are all stocked up with unlikable characters.

 

LOL I know there are several posters who feel this way, but I like the characters on the team. I got frustrated with many of them throughout the season, but I like the team.

 

I don't like Machado, but I fully admit that if the Sox traded for or signed him, my opinion is likely to change.

 

My reasons for not wanting to get Machado go beyond my not liking him.

[Kimmi]

I won't argue about the overpaid part, that's probably fair.

 

But I don't see how he overdid it on the pitching. You have said yourself that we still need another #2 type starter.

 

My opinion that we currently need another #2 starter is based on the uncertainty of Price's (and ERod's) health. At the time that Sale was acquired, he was not a necessity. He was an expensive luxury.

 

Now it turns out in hindsight that we did need Sale, but Dombrowski didn't know that at the time. The whole point behind giving Price that huge contract was that he was our much needed ace. We didn't need a second ace.

[notin]

My opinion that we currently need another #2 starter is based on the uncertainty of Price's (and ERod's) health. At the time that Sale was acquired, he was not a necessity. He was an expensive luxury.

 

Now it turns out in hindsight that we did need Sale, but Dombrowski didn't know that at the time. The whole point behind giving Price that huge contract was that he was our much needed ace. We didn't need a second ace.

 

Starting rotations are like poker hands; you can never have too many aces.

 

Was Sale a luxury? Or a creative way of replacing the void left by Papi?