2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[Spudboy]

Good for Fister.

 

I could not see the Sox offering him that deal unless it was a MiLB contract and I don't know enough about that s*** to know if that were possible.

 

In any case, the Sox will need 7-8 MLB ready starting arms in 2018.

[moonslav59]

Good for Fister.

 

I could not see the Sox offering him that deal unless it was a MiLB contract and I don't know enough about that s*** to know if that were possible.

 

In any case, the Sox will need 7-8 MLB ready starting arms in 2018.

 

Sale

Price

Pomeranz

Porcello

Wright

ERod by mid season?

? Brian Johnson?

?Hector Velazquez?

?Jalen Beeks?

? Justin Haley?

? R Elias or C. Shepherd?

 

Looks like we might need to add one or two veteran journeymen.

 

 

 

[notin]

Good for Fister.

 

I could not see the Sox offering him that deal unless it was a MiLB contract and I don't know enough about that s*** to know if that were possible.

 

In any case, the Sox will need 7-8 MLB ready starting arms in 2018.

 

Or more...

[notin]

Sale

Price

Pomeranz

Porcello

Wright

ERod by mid season?

? Brian Johnson?

?Hector Velazquez?

?Jalen Beeks?

? Justin Haley?

? R Elias or C. Shepherd?

 

Looks like we might need to add one or two veteran journeymen.

 

 

 

 

I'm of the opinion the Sox need those MLB-ready arms to avoid having games started by Velasquez, Beeks, and Haley...

[cp176]

Dammit!!! Now this off season just got a lot tougher, replacing Fister wont be easy. Rangers get an ace for 4 million a year, what a steal!

 

How shall we ever move forward? lol

[cp176]

I agree with your thoughts and as fans we can speculate, but in reality DD has to do the best he can with the parameters set for him. I don't think he is stupid and therefore his decisions will be made as the realities of the situation become available. My only issue with his approach to date has been the big long term contract he gave to Price. That is not because it hasn't worked out so far, it is just the nature of giving a guy a long contract at big bucks that will limit what the team can do moving forward. I hope Price can give us something for at least a few years to come but am sceptical of that coming to pass.

 

I hear you here for sure. I still am optimistic about Price giving us good quality going forward though. I am very much opposed to giving long term contracts to any veteran over the age of 30, but rather than dwell on the down side of it, I see it differently. We are one of the few teams who appear able to do it. But I am not a fan who is going to do much more than voice my opinion briefly and than move on.

[jacksonianmarch]

Price is the wild card. If he’s not healthy, you’re team is in trouble. If he returns as 2015 David Price, you’ll be solid

[moonslav59]

Price is the wild card. If he’s not healthy, you’re team is in trouble. If he returns as 2015 David Price, you’ll be solid

 

Well, we did pretty good this year with Wright out all year, and Price out for most of it.

 

True, ERod's injury is probably worse than Wright's this year, but we could also see a bounce back by Porcello. Rick doesn't have to give us 2016 numbers, but somewhere in between would help immensely.

 

A stronger pen could help as well.

 

You are right, though; if Price does well for the full season, we should be solid.

[moonslav59]

I'm of the opinion the Sox need those MLB-ready arms to avoid having games started by Velasquez, Beeks, and Haley...

 

Agreed, but I do think Velazquez may do well, if given a chance.

[Nick]

You need 3 solid starters for playoffs.

 

It should be Sale, Price and Pom. If E Rod or Porcello is our #4, then we're in good shape. If the trio can't do it along with solid bullpen, then we're fast becoming the Atlanta Braves of 1990's. I guess there's a worse place to be in.

[S5Dewey]

You need 3 solid starters for playoffs.

 

It should be Sale, Price and Pom. If E Rod or Porcello is our #4, then we're in good shape. If the trio can't do it along with solid bullpen, then we're fast becoming the Atlanta Braves of 1990's. I guess there's a worse place to be in.

 

Speaking of the Braves of the '90's I saw Joe Buck interviewing John Smoltz on television recently. Buck is doing a series of interviews called "Undeniable with Joe Buck" on AUDHD Ch. 239 (on DirecTV) with different sports personalities and I've found all of them spellbinding. If you've got a little time to kill in the evenings IMO they're very worth watching.

 

I've never been a fan of Buck as an announcer but IMO he's a great interviewer.

[jacksonianmarch]

You need 3 solid starters for playoffs.

 

It should be Sale, Price and Pom. If E Rod or Porcello is our #4, then we're in good shape. If the trio can't do it along with solid bullpen, then we're fast becoming the Atlanta Braves of 1990's. I guess there's a worse place to be in.

 

No you don't. You need 4. There has been only one team since the adoption of the 5 man rotation to win a WS with only 3 starting pitchers, and that was the 2009 Yankees. If you end up with only three at the end, then you roll with it, but if you enter a season with your eyes on three only, then you're hurting yourself

[Nick]

No you don't. You need 4. There has been only one team since the adoption of the 5 man rotation to win a WS with only 3 starting pitchers, and that was the 2009 Yankees. If you end up with only three at the end, then you roll with it, but if you enter a season with your eyes on three only, then you're hurting yourself

 

My point is winning 2 out 3 with your top pitchers. Then, i'll take 50/50 chance with my 4th starter. You are not going to have advantage in all four spots.

 

There's a difference between regular season and post season. You want elite pitching in playoffs. Now my top three has not shown that it's elite, yet, but they are the best we have. I'll take my chances. Why don't you worry about your team?

 

Let's compare your top 3 starting pitches' best seasons with my top 3 best seasons.

[Bellhorn04]

There has been only one team since the adoption of the 5 man rotation to win a WS with only 3 starting pitchers, and that was the 2009 Yankees.

 

Could you clarify what you mean by this?

[Nick]

Could you clarify what you mean by this?

 

 

I know that yo directed your question to jacksoniamarch.

 

My point is if you can win 2 out of 3 with your top three, then you'll win the series 4-3. I'm not sure why it's that hard. Hell, obviously there are no guarantees. But the absolute best from Price, Sale and Pom looks pretty good.

Edited November 27, 2017 by Nick

[Bellhorn04]

I know that yo directed your question to jacksoniamarch.

 

My point is if you can win 2 out of 3 with your top three, then you'll win the series 4-3. I'm not sure why it's that hard. Hell, obviously there are no guarantees. But the absolute best from Price, Sale and Pom looks pretty good.

 

Also, a lot of playoff games are now being won by bullpens.

[vjcsmoke]

Sale

Price

Pomeranz

Porcello

Wright

ERod by mid season?

? Brian Johnson?

?Hector Velazquez?

?Jalen Beeks?

? Justin Haley?

? R Elias or C. Shepherd?

 

Looks like we might need to add one or two veteran journeymen.

 

 

 

 

I proposed a solution for your concerns. His initials are SO.

[jacksonianmarch]

The 2009 Yankees used only 3 SP’s in the playoffs and all starters went on 3 days rest

[jacksonianmarch]

Matt Adams on the block. Might be a fall back option if the sox don’t land a big fish. The guy has power, but that’s about it

[mvp 78]

Matt Adams on the block. Might be a fall back option if the sox don’t land a big fish. The guy has power, but that’s about it

 

Bench bat at best for the Sox. Yuck.

[moonslav59]

2017 per 650 PAs:

 

vs RHPs: .295 36 113 (.342/.554/.896)

 

vs LHPs: .180 30 116 (.206/.377/.583)

 

Looks like a good platoon player. (Career vs RHPs: 287 27 96 with an .828 OPS)

 

[mvp 78]

2017 per 650 PAs:

 

vs RHPs: .295 36 113 (.342/.554/.896)

 

vs LHPs: .180 30 116 (.206/.377/.583)

 

Looks like a good platoon player. (Career vs RHPs: 287 27 96 with an .828 OPS)

 

 

It's why I said bench bat. Yuck. Platoon with Shaw maybe?

[moonslav59]

It's why I said bench bat. Yuck. Platoon with Shaw maybe?

 

Those are pretty good numbers vs RHPs. He'll be 29 next year. Maybe he can platoon some with Travis and some with HRam.

 

They're talking about him maybe being non-tendered, so he might not coast much in trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

He could be the platoon option with Hanley. He rakes RHP even better than Duda

[Jack Flap]

It's why I said bench bat. Yuck. Platoon with Shaw maybe?

 

Yeah, that sounds good, man that Travis Shaw sure is a useful guy to have around - WAIT, f***.

[moonslav59]

He could be the platoon option with Hanley. He rakes RHP even better than Duda

 

Agreed, and he's younger. His defense is better as well.

[mvp 78]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/braves-trade-rumors-matt-adams.html

 

For teams that view Adams as a bench bat, however, committing $4MM+ to a defensively limited reserve option at this stage of the offseason is a tough sell. Mitch Moreland has a reputation as one of the game’s best defenders at first base and signed for a one-year, $5.5MM contract in Boston last winter, while Adam Lind, a player with a comparable skill set to Adams, settled for a one-year, $1.5MM pact with the Nationals in mid-February. Many teams would likely consider Adams a viable backup option behind their preferred offseason targets, but that won’t help him at this juncture of a slow-moving offseason, as the top targets for each of those clubs are all still in play.

[moonslav59]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/braves-trade-rumors-matt-adams.html

 

For teams that view Adams as a bench bat, however, committing $4MM+ to a defensively limited reserve option at this stage of the offseason is a tough sell. Mitch Moreland has a reputation as one of the game’s best defenders at first base and signed for a one-year, $5.5MM contract in Boston last winter, while Adam Lind, a player with a comparable skill set to Adams, settled for a one-year, $1.5MM pact with the Nationals in mid-February. Many teams would likely consider Adams a viable backup option behind their preferred offseason targets, but that won’t help him at this juncture of a slow-moving offseason, as the top targets for each of those clubs are all still in play.

 

I've barely seen him play, but his defensive numbers lookpretty good.

 

UZR/150 +9.5 (+3.1 career)

+1 DRS (career 14 DRS)

[Spudboy]

Those are pretty good numbers vs RHPs. He'll be 29 next year. Maybe he can platoon some with Travis and some with HRam.

 

They're talking about him maybe being non-tendered, so he might not coast much in trade.

 

This all sounds close to a dumpster dive.

 

We won't get Stanton but why should we not go all-in for the next best option weather it is Martinez, Abreu, Santana, or someone lower on the power bat food chain?

[Spudboy]

I've barely seen him play, but his defensive numbers lookpretty good.

 

UZR/150 +9.5 (+3.1 career)

+1 DRS (career 14 DRS)

 

Lol.

 

Okay now I am interested to see how his defensive numbers stand next to those of Moreland.

 

I never did see Gold Glove play at first in 2017. Moreland was pretty sound and I have few complaints about his D.