2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[Northern Star]

Since we're talking about it in separate threads, we should have one.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox are basically over the cap before the stove even starts. How far do they go? Do they just blow past or do they tinker with the team? I think everyone and their brother knows the sox need to add some offense. It will be interesting to see how much cash DD is allotted.

[mvp 78]

Extend Devers for 20 years.

[sk7326]

I could see the Sox - not exactly shopping Bogaerts - but telling teams to make an offer. Now I am not sure how robust the market it is. I tend to chock up this year to injury ... nothing like a hand injury (regardless of what he says to people) to mess up your swing. It is not something which get better during the season. That said, if you save the brinks truck for Betts - then Bogaerts and Bradley are the swing guys here.

 

Sox need another bat - but the trade market is probably where the best possibility is to get one ... and given that the Sox have used a lot of their best minor league pieces already, looking at one of their young guys has to be on the table. I am sure there will be chatter about trying to get Stanton - which I think for a bunch of reasons (payroll flexibility, cost in players, marginal value) is stupid. I could see kicking the tires on Andrew McCutchen - though again, you only get a year of him and I am not sure what sort of match there is with the Pirates given that.

 

The free agent class looks horrid. That said, if last year's market is a barometer for the future - it could be a buyer's market for slow, power hitting non-defenders ... the sort of thing where a JD Martinez might be gettable for a surprisingly short hitch a la Encarnacion last year. Getting something like that makes sense. Same with Jay Bruce (less appetizing option) for a 1-year.

[Nick]

I could see the Sox - not exactly shopping Bogaerts - but telling teams to make an offer. Now I am not sure how robust the market it is. I tend to chock up this year to injury ... nothing like a hand injury (regardless of what he says to people) to mess up your swing. It is not something which get better during the season. That said, if you save the brinks truck for Betts - then Bogaerts and Bradley are the swing guys here.

 

Sox need another bat - but the trade market is probably where the best possibility is to get one ... and given that the Sox have used a lot of their best minor league pieces already, looking at one of their young guys has to be on the table. I am sure there will be chatter about trying to get Stanton - which I think for a bunch of reasons (payroll flexibility, cost in players, marginal value) is stupid. I could see kicking the tires on Andrew McCutchen - though again, you only get a year of him and I am not sure what sort of match there is with the Pirates given that.

 

The free agent class looks horrid. That said, if last year's market is a barometer for the future - it could be a buyer's market for slow, power hitting non-defenders ... the sort of thing where a JD Martinez might be gettable for a surprisingly short hitch a la Encarnacion last year. Getting something like that makes sense. Same with Jay Bruce (less appetizing option) for a 1-year.

 

since you put it out there.....are we a better team with Betts or Stanton?

[sk7326]

since you put it out there.....are we a better team with Betts or Stanton?

 

Hmmm ... one is 3 years younger, has a stronger history of being health, and is good-to-great at every single non-pitching baseball skill.

[Nick]

Hmmm ... one is 3 years younger, has a stronger history of being health, and is good-to-great at every single non-pitching baseball skill.

 

So if Miami gave you a straight up deal you would refuse?

[sk7326]

So if Miami gave you a straight up deal you would refuse?

 

only if I can stop giggling first

[Spudboy]

since you put it out there.....are we a better team with Betts or Stanton?

 

Betts.

 

But we are a much better team with both guys.

[harmony]

Giancarlo Stanton, who turns 28 years old next month, has 10 years and $295 million remaining on his contract.

 

Manny Ramirez was 28 years old in December 2000 when the Red Sox signed the slugger to an eight-year, $160 million contract coming off his injury-plagued season.

 

Stanton's career line and the latter's line when the Red Sox signed Ramirez:

 

GS 4120 PA, .268/.360/.554/.914, OPS+ 146. 34.1 fWAR, 35.1 bWAR

MR 4095 PA, .313/.407/.592/.998, OPS+ 152, 30.7 fWAR, 29.9 bWAR

 

Just food for thought.

Edited October 10, 2017 by harmony

[OH FOY]

Bogaerts this Off-Season is not a Center Piece in any Trade. You have to add, and you might add more than you want. Keep him hope he bounces back, and do a Nomar on him, if Stanton is available.

[sk7326]

Bogaerts this Off-Season is not a Center Piece in any Trade. You have to add, and you might add more than you want. Keep him hope he bounces back, and do a Nomar on him, if Stanton is available.

 

An actual offseason pain free for him to get some of his swing back ... his was not the first season tanked by a hand injury

[Kimmi]

One thousand times no on Stanton.

 

The contract alone is absolutely insane.

[notin]

One name no one's mentioning and with good reason is Miguel Cabrera.

 

He's signed the same years as Votto but for more money. He'll cost less in players to acquire. And while his contact is horrible, it was written by Dombrowski, so he might feel differently. ..

[moonslav59]

Giancarlo Stanton, who turns 28 years old next month, has 10 years and $295 million remaining on his contract.

 

Manny Ramirez was 28 years old in December 2000 when the Red Sox signed the slugger to an eight-year, $160 million contract coming off his injury-plagued season.

 

Stanton's career line and the latter's line when the Red Sox signed Ramirez:

 

GS 4120 PA, .268/.360/.554/.914, OPS+ 146. 34.1 fWAR, 35.1 bWAR

MR 4095 PA, .313/.407/.592/.998, OPS+ 152, 30.7 fWAR, 29.9 bWAR

 

Just food for thought.

 

...and Stanton's luxury tax number is "only $25M" not $29.5M a year times 10.

 

Food for pondering.

[moonslav59]

One name no one's mentioning and with good reason is Miguel Cabrera.

 

He's signed the same years as Votto but for more money. He'll cost less in players to acquire. And while his contact is horrible, it was written by Dombrowski, so he might feel differently. ..

 

Doesn't Miggy have a broken back?

[notin]

Doesn't Miggy have a broken back?

 

He has two herniated disks, or basically the same issue Clayton Kershaw has. It's possible he is fine by spring training. But his triple crown days are over....

[Spudboy]

...and Stanton's luxury tax number is "only $25M" not $29.5M a year times 10.

 

Food for pondering.

 

Bargain money once Harper hits the market.

[Spudboy]

Giancarlo Stanton, who turns 28 years old next month, has 10 years and $295 million remaining on his contract.

 

Manny Ramirez was 28 years old in December 2000 when the Red Sox signed the slugger to an eight-year, $160 million contract coming off his injury-plagued season.

 

Stanton's career line and the latter's line when the Red Sox signed Ramirez:

 

GS 4120 PA, .268/.360/.554/.914, OPS+ 146. 34.1 fWAR, 35.1 bWAR

MR 4095 PA, .313/.407/.592/.998, OPS+ 152, 30.7 fWAR, 29.9 bWAR

 

Just food for thought.

 

What is your point?

 

It's a different market now.

 

Bob Gibson was great but David Price makes more money.

[Spudboy]

Sox are basically over the cap before the stove even starts. How far do they go? Do they just blow past or do they tinker with the team? I think everyone and their brother knows the sox need to add some offense. It will be interesting to see how much cash DD is allotted.

 

Ultimately it does come down to how much the Ghoul wants to shell out.

[harmony]

What is your point?

 

It's a different market now.

 

Bob Gibson was great but David Price makes more money.

That Giancarlo Stanton is a Manny Ramirez-caliber player at the same age?

[Spudboy]

That Giancarlo Stanton is a Manny Ramirez-caliber player at the same age?

 

Oh.

 

So it's a good deal then.

[Larry Cook]

Desperate dave needs to make the signing of ohtani the most important thing in his life this offseason!

 

This guy is the real deal and exactly what we need.

 

A free agent that we might consider to replace Moreland is Santana.

[notin]

Ohtani is the most important? Right now, the guy is all hype. Just likr Daisuke was at one point..

[jacksonianmarch]

Ohtani can be offered the most money in NY and a few other places, not Boston. That being said, the difference is minimal in terms of professional baseball salaries. I hope the Yankees have the inside track, but nobody really knows right now

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

 

DD: 'We need to score more runs. I didn't supply the players to get enough runs. That's part of our offseason goal.'

 

Here comes JD Mart. Here comes JD Mart. Right down David Ortiz Drive!

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

 

Dombrowski said he likes the outfield, 3B, SS, 2B, and catchers... so if he's not full of s***, you look at 1B and DH, as expected.

[Bellhorn04]

Dombrowski is doing and saying all the correct things.

[mvp 78]

Dombrowski is doing and saying all the correct things.

 

@jtomase

 

That's by far the least comfortable I've ever seen Dave Dombrowski in a press conference. There was little point to any of that.

 

@PeteAbe

 

Lots of "I would not disclose that" from Dombrowski today. Press conference a bit contentious. Red Sox never handle breakups well.

 

@EvanDrellich

 

Dombrowski had an opportunity today to set a narrative, explain, even if just generally, what happened, and put issue to bed.

 

Bell, you are 100% right. The media is just mad DD let their buddy go.

[OH FOY]

Smart GM's will say this. You don't tip your hand on Trades. JBJ 25 AB's in Post Season, 13 K's. .160 BA. Numbers like these you would have to save like 2 runs a game, every game to justify the Defense.

1st half .280

2nd half .204

Too bad just so inconsistent.

Like I said Tito threw Kipnis out in CF and hasn't played there since College, only reason wants his Offense. Not worried about the Defense, figures he'll be good enough.

Edited October 11, 2017 by OH FOY!