Baseball Smarts: JF vs David Ortiz

[bosoxmal]

There is no contest here. JF takes the mike and gives an English lesson. David Ortiz walks into the clubhouse and gets mauled with hugs, smiles and chatter.

 

I can just imagine what it would be like if it were “Manager Ortiz!” Mookie would not be hitting ,260. (he wouldn’t be 0-1 every at bat either). A few chats with Bogie, and he would not be going 0 for whatever in this playoff series.

 

Durocher had baseball snarts. Casey Stemgel had baseball smarts, Joe McCarthy and Grankie Frisch had baseball smarts. I am equally certain that David Ortiz has as much “baseball smarts’ as any of them,

[Bellhorn04]

David for batting coach, not manager. I would not wish the job of Red Sox manager on him. He is a beloved legend in Boston, let's leave it that way. Managers mostly take abuse.

[illinoisredsox]

There is no contest here. JF takes the mike and gives an English lesson. David Ortiz walks into the clubhouse and gets mauled with hugs, smiles and chatter.

 

I can just imagine what it would be like if it were “Manager Ortiz!” Mookie would not be hitting ,260. (he wouldn’t be 0-1 every at bat either). A few chats with Bogie, and he would not be going 0 for whatever in this playoff series.

 

Durocher had baseball snarts. Casey Stemgel had baseball smarts, Joe McCarthy and Grankie Frisch had baseball smarts. I am equally certain that David Ortiz has as much “baseball smarts’ as any of them,

 

This is exactly why Ortiz would not succeed as a Red Sox manager at this time. He played with many of the players; they are still going to see him as Big Papi. A managers role is different than head cheerleader.

 

Bellhorn summed it up; the only thing that could happen is his legacy being tarnished. Very few managers get to go out on their own terms. The ones that do have managed a very long time and been fired a few times along the way.

[sk7326]

Alex Cora for manager if Farrell leaves ... managerial experience, player personnel experience, knows the market and has a terrific reputation in the league

[Dojji]

I'm still thinking that DeMarlo Hale would make a pretty solid manager, and wouldn't mind bringing him back.

[mvp 78]

Alex Cora for manager if Farrell leaves ... managerial experience, player personnel experience, knows the market and has a terrific reputation in the league

 

Cora is at the top of my list too.

[Bellhorn04]

Cora is at the top of my list too.

 

Sign me up.

[Northern Star]

I don't see Ortiz as a manager. Wrong personality. As someone just said, hitting coach might be more his line.

[Kimmi]

Alex Cora for manager if Farrell leaves ... managerial experience, player personnel experience, knows the market and has a terrific reputation in the league

 

Good choice.

[jacksonianmarch]

I see the sox going completely away from any former sox players or coaches. New direction

[sk7326]

I see the sox going completely away from any former sox players or coaches. New direction

 

Certainly possible. But I like guys who know the market - or similarly insane markets. I'd certainly pick this over exhuming Jim Leyland or John Boles etc etc

[sk7326]

Cora is at the top of my list too.

 

Also has done TV, which is very helpful given how important managing media is in this town.

[Spudboy]

Also has done TV, which is very helpful given how important managing media is in this town.

 

Cora is just about universally admired in Boston and all the players love him.

 

Other than no MLB managing experience there is no downside to hiring him.

 

I also like the way he is articulate in two languages. That can't hurt.

[SoxnCycles]

Cora is the bench coach for a young, powerhouse org, Houston.

Why would he want this job?

[Bellhorn04]

Cora is the bench coach for a young, powerhouse org, Houston.

Why would he want this job?

 

Manager is a step up from bench coach.

 

Also: $$$$$

[sk7326]

Cora is just about universally admired in Boston and all the players love him.

 

Other than no MLB managing experience there is no downside to hiring him.

 

I also like the way he is articulate in two languages. That can't hurt.

 

lack of MLB managing doesn't bother me here ... he has managed and GM'd in winter ball, so the job is not foreign

[sk7326]

Cora is the bench coach for a young, powerhouse org, Houston.

Why would he want this job?

 

So he can be a manager for a young powerhouse org.

[SoxnCycles]

So he can be a manager for a young powerhouse org.

 

Well, you're half right.

[sk7326]

Well, you're half right.

 

consecutive playoff berths with a bunch of good under age 28 players counts with a fairly adversity-filled season

[SoxnCycles]

consecutive playoff berths with a bunch of good under age 28 players counts with a fairly adversity-filled season

 

And a season of inconsistent, falling to downright anemic, offense.

They're a good team, but they've got a ways to go before they'll be great.

[oldtimer]

lack of MLB managing doesn't bother me here ... he has managed and GM'd in winter ball, so the job is not foreign

 

Varitek is another name who hasn't managed. Someone at least to keep on the list.

[sk7326]

Varitek is another name who hasn't managed. Someone at least to keep on the list.

 

Varitek has not actually done the job at all - big gap in experience.

[Spudboy]

Cora would jump at this opportunity in a heartbeat.

 

Then he would age about ten years in one season.

[Spudboy]

lack of MLB managing doesn't bother me here ... he has managed and GM'd in winter ball, so the job is not foreign

 

Does not bother me either. I just posted that for those that believe MLB experience may be a prerequisite.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Spudboy

[Spudboy]

Varitek has not actually done the job at all - big gap in experience.

 

And he show no interest in doing so.

 

Being a fan favorite is not enough.

[mvp 78]

Varitek is another name who hasn't managed. Someone at least to keep on the list.

 

He had his own issues with dating reporters (which lead to him fighting teammates) and was the team captain during the chicken and beer nonsense.

 

Hard pass...

[Youk Of The Nation]

There is no contest here. JF takes the mike and gives an English lesson. David Ortiz walks into the clubhouse and gets mauled with hugs, smiles and chatter.

 

I can just imagine what it would be like if it were “Manager Ortiz!” Mookie would not be hitting ,260. (he wouldn’t be 0-1 every at bat either). A few chats with Bogie, and he would not be going 0 for whatever in this playoff series.

 

Durocher had baseball snarts. Casey Stemgel had baseball smarts, Joe McCarthy and Grankie Frisch had baseball smarts. I am equally certain that David Ortiz has as much “baseball smarts’ as any of them,

 

There is a reason most companies train management personnel at a different location than the one they will be managing at. It's hard to come in and be the boss when the people you are managing were your buddies and equals less than a year earlier.

 

As for "Mookie would not be hitting .260" and "Bogie would not be going 0fer", what is the evidence of that? Ortiz has never been a manager, coach, or trainer. There is nothing in his history that tells me Papi as a manager would completely 180 everything.

[notin]

There is no contest here. JF takes the mike and gives an English lesson. David Ortiz walks into the clubhouse and gets mauled with hugs, smiles and chatter.

 

I can just imagine what it would be like if it were “Manager Ortiz!” Mookie would not be hitting ,260. (he wouldn’t be 0-1 every at bat either). A few chats with Bogie, and he would not be going 0 for whatever in this playoff series.

 

Durocher had baseball snarts. Casey Stemgel had baseball smarts, Joe McCarthy and Grankie Frisch had baseball smarts. I am equally certain that David Ortiz has as much “baseball smarts’ as any of them,

 

I really don't get how Ortiz' clubhouse popularity equates to baseball smarts. Or how Betts and Bogaerts were a pep talk away from MVP candidacy...

[mediasrojas]

You are certainly correct in claiming that David Ortiz has "baseball smarts". So much so that he knows not to become a Red Sox manager.