Sale

[S5Dewey]

My view of the use of emotion is that it should help the player relax and have fun and that is the best way to maximize performance.

 

Relaxation is one way to maximize performance but inducing stress is another. I've seen a graph regarding stress vs. performance in the workplace. The two rise in almost parallel lines until the "breaking point" is reached and then performance drops off remarkedly. The ability to self-induce stress can be a very good thing as long as the person can recognize where his breaking point is.

[SoxnCycles]

well, he did look pretty good wednesday night, so it's not all doom and gloom.

 

sss

[moonslav59]

Well, he did look pretty good Wednesday night, so it's not all doom and gloom.

 

He's looked real good pretty much every other start for 10 games.

 

I guess that's good enough for most posters.

[devildavid]

Relaxation is one way to maximize performance but inducing stress is another. I've seen a graph regarding stress vs. performance in the workplace. The two rise in almost parallel lines until the "breaking point" is reached and then performance drops off remarkedly. The ability to self-induce stress can be a very good thing as long as the person can recognize where his breaking point is.

 

But is the stress causing the performance or correlated with it?

[devildavid]

Well, he did look pretty good Wednesday night, so it's not all doom and gloom.

 

It is somewhat unknown territory with Sale since his end of season performances have not meant much to his prior team. But yes, he is not doomed to perform poorly, despite what past statistics suggest.

[S5Dewey]

But is the stress causing the performance or correlated with it?

 

The stress is causing the improved performance.

 

What I learned in an HR seminar was the the more stress there is on an employee from any source the better their performance will be ,... until they crash.

 

I was appalled at how cold blooded it was.

[devildavid]

The stress is causing the improved performance.

 

What I learned in an HR seminar was the the more stress there is on an employee from any source the better their performance will be ,... until they crash.

 

I was appalled at how cold blooded it was.

 

And this article says otherwise. So what is correct?

 

https://www.forbes.com/workplace-stress-leads-to-less-productive-employees

[S5Dewey]

And this article says otherwise. So what is correct?

 

https://www.forbes.com/workplace-stress-leads-to-less-productive-employees

 

I have no idea which is "right" but this one from Harvard University says exactly what I said:

 

According to what is known as “The Yerkes-Dodson law,” performance increases with physiological or mental arousal (stress) but only up to a point. When the level of stress becomes too high, performance decreases.

 

 

https://hbr.org/2016/04/are-you-too-stressed-to-be-productive-or-not-stressed-enough

[Bellhorn04]

I have no idea which is "right" but this one from Harvard University says exactly what I said:

 

According to what is known as “The Yerkes-Dodson law,” performance increases with physiological or mental arousal (stress) but only up to a point. When the level of stress becomes too high, performance decreases.

 

 

https://hbr.org/2016/04/are-you-too-stressed-to-be-productive-or-not-stressed-enough

 

This makes perfect sense, really. A certain amount of stress is a good thing. You often hear about athletes having nerves or 'butterflies' before competition as a natural consequence of their systems getting ready to perform.

[devildavid]

I have no idea which is "right" but this one from Harvard University says exactly what I said:

 

According to what is known as “The Yerkes-Dodson law,” performance increases with physiological or mental arousal (stress) but only up to a point. When the level of stress becomes too high, performance decreases.

 

 

https://hbr.org/2016/04/are-you-too-stressed-to-be-productive-or-not-stressed-enough

 

So the problem is defining what stress really means.

[devildavid]

I have no idea which is "right" but this one from Harvard University says exactly what I said:

 

According to what is known as “The Yerkes-Dodson law,” performance increases with physiological or mental arousal (stress) but only up to a point. When the level of stress becomes too high, performance decreases.

 

 

https://hbr.org/2016/04/are-you-too-stressed-to-be-productive-or-not-stressed-enough

 

From your linked article:

 

Similarly, research in sports psychology demonstrates the performance benefits of pre-performance routines, from improving attention and execution to increasing emotional stability and confidence. And recently, my colleagues and I have found that when people engage in rituals before undertaking high-stakes tasks, they feel less anxious and stressed about the task and end up performing better as a result.

[moonslav59]

I got no stress in my life.

 

Maybe that's what's wrong with me.

[Northern Star]

I got no stress in my life.

 

How is this even possible in 2017?

[S5Dewey]

So the problem is defining what stress really means.

 

No, the problem is what I've been saying all along. That if someone wants to "prove" something they can find a study or the stats to "prove" it.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Toronto and the Rays always play us and the Yankees tough. I'm not saying the Yankees schedule is not easier than ours for the rest of the month, but I doubt they win out.

 

This guy knows what he's talking about.

 

Seriously though, if anyone thinks that resting Sale would hurt the chances of the Sox winning the division, just remember that Sale has 17 wins, which means the Sox have won 72 games while Chris Sale was sitting on the bench picking his nose or whatever pitchers do when they aren't pitching. Playing Candy Crush?

[moonslav59]

How is this even possible in 2017?

 

Buddha

[Larry Cook]

Buddha

 

Or a phat bank account!

[moonslav59]

Or a phat bank account!

 

Not Phat but not flaca either.

[Bellhorn04]

Seriously though, if anyone thinks that resting Sale would hurt the chances of the Sox winning the division, just remember that Sale has 17 wins, which means the Sox have won 72 games while Chris Sale was sitting on the bench picking his nose or whatever pitchers do when they aren't pitching. Playing Candy Crush?

 

Now that you mention it, the Sox are 22-9 in Sale starts (71%) and 67-55 in non-Sale starts (55%).

[Bellhorn04]

I wanted Sale to start that game against the Birds because I felt it significantly enhanced our chances to win the game. If we lost the game the Yanks would be only 2 back with 10 to go. I did not want them to have any more chance than they had already did. Don't f*** around. It's pretty simple...it's not North Korean rocket science. Edited September 23, 2017 by Bellhorn04

[Dojji]

[SoxHop]

I wanted Sale to start that game against the Birds because I felt it significantly enhanced our chances to win the game. If we lost the game the Yanks would be only 2 back with 10 to go. I did not want them to have any more chance than they had already did. Don't f*** around. It's pretty simple...it's not North Korean rocket science.

 

Not starting Sale last go sounds crackpot to me. Pulling him early because we had such a lead sounds like it could have been a good idea, I'm fairly on the fence with letting him go 100 plus pitches. I still think the biggest drawback to not pulling Sale was not getting Price in the game and getting him work.

[Bellhorn04]

Not starting Sale last go sounds crackpot to me. Pulling him early because we had such a lead sounds like it could have been a good idea, I'm fairly on the fence with letting him go 100 plus pitches. I still think the biggest drawback to not pulling Sale was not getting Price in the game and getting him work.

 

Keeping Price back another game worked out pretty good too.

[SoxHop]

Keeping Price back another game worked out pretty good too.

 

Well, there's that.

 

How long can Price go? He's only had short stints. Can he go like 60 pitches or 80 or 100? Why aren't we thinking of him as a starter?

[Bellhorn04]

Well, there's that.

 

How long can Price go? He's only had short stints. Can he go like 60 pitches or 80 or 100? Why aren't we thinking of him as a starter?

 

He was out of action for almost 2 months. He threw 21 pitches Sept 17 and 40 last night. Probably not enough time to ramp up to much more than 50 pitches. Farrell sounds pretty excited about having him available to pitch multiple innings out of the pen.

[SoxHop]

He was out of action for almost 2 months. He threw 21 pitches Sept 17 and 40 last night. Probably not enough time to ramp up to much more than 50 pitches. Farrell sounds pretty excited about having him available to pitch multiple innings out of the pen.

 

I'm excited the way he's looked.

[Emp9]

He was out of action for almost 2 months. He threw 21 pitches Sept 17 and 40 last night. Probably not enough time to ramp up to much more than 50 pitches. Farrell sounds pretty excited about having him available to pitch multiple innings out of the pen.

 

Big if, but if the Sox make it to the WS, he could be near full strength by then, no? With side-sessions included of course.

[FredLynn]

Well, there's that.

 

How long can Price go? He's only had short stints. Can he go like 60 pitches or 80 or 100? Why aren't we thinking of him as a starter?

 

I would be thinking of him as a starter, replacing the guy who has more losses this year than any other pitcher in the league.

[SoxHop]

I would be thinking of him as a starter, replacing the guy who has more losses this year than any other pitcher in the league.

 

I don't know how many pitches he ramped up to during his recovery. If he can only go 50 pitches, I go with E-Rod and have Price waiting in case there is trouble. I'd rather have a guy that looks like he is cruising keep cruising to start, instead of a guy you know you have to pull in a few innings.

 

Just the crazy part to this whole thing, is this is the best I've seen Price pitch...

Edited September 23, 2017 by SoxHop

[moonslav59]

Well, there's that.

 

How long can Price go? He's only had short stints. Can he go like 60 pitches or 80 or 100? Why aren't we thinking of him as a starter?

 

Then, there's this....

 

Had Price pitched 2 days earlier, maybe that might have helped accelerate his build up to 60-80 pitches a little more quickly.