Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[Kimmi]

No doubt I am old and old fashioned as well, but when I waas brought up, no one would use foul language on communication and if you used it in front of a lady, someone would punch you out. I'm probably not supported in this view here, but would you please tone it down?

 

You are a true gentleman, oldtimer.

[Kimmi]

Yankees had to give up a pretty good prospect for Frazier/Robertson. If that was cost I'm glad we stayed away. There has to be a cheap option somewhere.. If not, please don't overpay. We do have Devers/Lin as backup if necessary

 

I would have liked to have Robertson/Kahnle more so than Frazier, but I'm glad that Dombrowski did not try to outbid the Yankees for that package.

[Kimmi]

I really don't see the need to get rid of Young. Our OF is good and he barely plays anyway, he wont make or break this team at all. Deven Marrero being our starting 3B is the much bigger issue.

 

I agree. Young is not a problem. Keeping or getting rid of him will not be a game changer.

[moonslav59]

Arguably, last night's 11th inning was an illustration of why you want Mookie in that leadoff spot.

 

One game sample sizes don't do it for me.

 

I'm actually okay with Betts up 1 or 2, if we have the right guys up 3-4-5. (We need to move Moreland down or put him on the DL.)

[Kimmi]

Would anyone go back in time and trade Betts in 2014 for a two month rental?

 

In hindsight, of course not. And probably not many would do it for a two month rental, but that depends on the rental. But before Betts joined the big league club, I'm sure there are those who were more than willing to trade him for some starting pitching. There are many on here who are of the opinion that if you can get a proven big league player for a prospect who may or may not pan out, you do it. To heck with impending cliffs.

[Kimmi]

I was up in the air about getting Frazier - fine with it if the price was reasonable, but also fine with moving on if it was not. Given that we saw another, much better rental bat (Martinez) dealt last night for an underwhelming return, there's every reason to suspect that Frazier alone would not have cost a lot -- but it also looks like the White Sox wanted to package him with Robertson and Kahnle to maximize the return, which they certainly did. Rutherford is a very good prospect. The Red Sox likely could not and should not have tried to match what the Yankees gave up here.

 

I'm not sure the "just stand pat and call up Devers" crowd should take too much encouragement from this, though. If the Red Sox really did want Frazier, I'm not sure what makes people think Dombrowski will just give up on making a trade after losing out on him. From reports last night, we're still considering a number of different names...if anything, I worry about us overreacting and doing something even more foolish out of a perceived need to "counter" what New York did. This isn't over yet...

 

I really hope that Dombrowski doesn't feel the need to make a move just for the sake of countering or one upping the Yankees. One of the headlines I read this morning was "Your Move Dombrowski", or something to that effect.

 

Though I'm not a fan of his 'aggressiveness', Dombrowski is no dummy. He has not stopped looking for a 3B upgrade just because Frazier is no longer available. I am pretty sure that he will make some kind of trade before the deadline.

[Kimmi]

You guys don't have to counter NY. We still didn't address our biggest deficiency which you guys have in spades. But we did just get better. I think I finally understand the rationale for going pen. Even with our SP woes, we've blown more saves than any team in baseball. We have 9 more blown saves than Boston and their surprising pen. Imagine if we just converted those 9? We'd be running away with the division. We got rid of the biggest culprit in Clippard. The guy hasn't pitched in a high leverage situation in a month and he had 5!

 

Granted, we just brought in Kahnle who has 4, but with the depth in this pen, we can afford to have two teams of bridges and closers and limit fatigue.

 

It's ironic that going into the season, your bullpen was supposed to be your strength. The Yankees did get better, but as you said, they haven't addressed their biggest need. I don't think Cashman is finished yet.

[mvp 78]

For your sake Nick, I really hope the Sox call up Devers soon.

 

He certainly has to be better offensively than what we have now.

 

I don't know how good his defense is. I know there is a lot of frustration with Marrero's offense, which I share along with everyone else, but our pitching has been really, really good. I wonder how much of that has to do with the improvement of the infield defense since Marrero started playing.

 

His defense is solid, but could use more refining. He won defensive player of the year last year in part to all the preparation he puts in. The defense is not the reason he's still in AAA. I think the FO has a mental block against bringing him up due to his age, but not his maturity level.

 

Age ain't nuthin' but a number.

[moonslav59]

I really hope that Dombrowski doesn't feel the need to make a move just for the sake of countering or one upping the Yankees. One of the headlines I read this morning was "Your Move Dombrowski", or something to that effect.

 

 

Boston media...

 

Please, stop encouraging him!!!

[Bellhorn04]

One game sample sizes don't do it for me.

 

I'm actually okay with Betts up 1 or 2, if we have the right guys up 3-4-5. (We need to move Moreland down or put him on the DL.)

 

I don't think last night's example is only about one game samples...those instances will occur a number of times during the season, guaranteed.

[cp176]

Arguably, last night's 11th inning was an illustration of why you want Mookie in that leadoff spot.

 

The fact that no one else that we have comes close to being a solid number 3 hitter doesn't make it right that the only guy that resembles a number 3 hitter - Betts- is leading off. This team's lack of production makes the whole discussion about batting order really moot. Bring it up all you want to I guess even though with this bunch it is a little silly to do so.

[moonslav59]

I don't think last night's example is only about one game samples...those instances will occur a number of times during the season, guaranteed.

 

Clearly, the 2-3-4-5-6 slots all get more RBI opportunities than lead-off.

 

I'm okay with Betts up first. He gets more PAs.

 

I'm not okay with keeping Moreland 4th.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Boston media...

 

Please, stop encouraging him!!!

 

Dombrowski has to do something to improve the offense; doing nothing would be totally inexcusable and good reason to fire him. There are plenty of offensive upgrades on the trade market including Y.Alonso and E.Nunez is better than Marrero.

Edited July 19, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

Your offense is not ready for the prime time and will require your pitching staff to have literally no margin for error when the playoffs roll around

[moonslav59]

Dombrowski has to do something to improve the offense; doing nothing would be totally inexcusable and good reason to fire him. There are plenty of offensive upgrades on the trade market including Y.Alonso and E.Nunez is better than Marrero.

 

I'm not against making an offensive upgrade, but not like such a an overpay for a guy like Frazier who always has a worse second half of the season.

[moonslav59]

Your offense is not ready for the prime time and will require your pitching staff to have literally no margin for error when the playoffs roll around

 

Pitching often trumps hitting, especially come playoff times.

 

I've witnessed too many great hitting Sox teams fall short once we face 3 man playoff rotations.

 

When Vegas sets the odds for each playoff game, they know what to do: they look first at who the starting pitchers are not the 9 batter line-ups.

 

I would like to see us improve our offense, but I wouldn't overpay for the likes of Frazier.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

but I wouldn't overpay for the likes of Frazier.

 

I agree on Frazier. He wasn't the best fit for the Red Sox--they already have plenty of right handed bats. In some ways, I like E.Nunez better than Frazier insofar as the Red Sox might be better off going after athleticism and speed than right handed power and low BA.

 

There are other 3b options on the trade market and Devers might be the best option. They need a better hitting 1b than Moreland, IMO. The good thing about the Yankees acquiring Frazier is that they probably won't be in on Alonso.

Edited July 19, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[mvp 78]

Dombrowski has to do something to improve the offense; doing nothing would be totally inexcusable and good reason to fire him. There are plenty of offensive upgrades on the trade market including Y.Alonso and E.Nunez is better than Marrero.

 

And Devers is just sitting in AAA mashing.

[mvp 78]

I agree on Frazier. He wasn't the best fit for the Red Sox--they already have plenty of right handed bats. In some ways, I like E.Nunez better than Frazier insofar as the Red Sox might be better off going after athleticism and speed than right handed power and low BA.

 

There are other 3b options on the trade market and Devers might be the best option. They need a better hitting 1b than Moreland, IMO. The good thing about the Yankees acquiring Frazier is that they probably won't be in on Alonso.

 

1B's are easier to come by than 3B's.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Pitching often trumps hitting, especially come playoff times.

 

I've witnessed too many great hitting Sox teams fall short once we face 3 man playoff rotations.

 

This is why E.Nunez intrigues me. When it comes to the playoffs, the Red Sox might be better off adding a little more speed than power. Look at what the Royals have done over the last few years, they built an offense around athleticism and speed, and that kind of offense benefited them in the playoffs--they were one win away from winning two World Series titles in a row.

 

If the Red Sox acquired Nunez, they would add another stolen base threat to their lineup and could move Betts to 3-4 in the lineup and would benefit from Betts' speed in the middle of the order.

 

As Red Sox fans, we know the benefits of speed and stealing bases at a crucial time in the playoffs, i.e., DAVE ROBERTS!

[jacksonianmarch]

Slav, you keep talking about overpaying for Frazier. We got two lights out relievers with multiple years of control with him. We didn't make that trade just for Frazier, he was a throw in IMO

[Kimmi]

His defense is solid, but could use more refining. He won defensive player of the year last year in part to all the preparation he puts in. The defense is not the reason he's still in AAA. I think the FO has a mental block against bringing him up due to his age, but not his maturity level.

 

Age ain't nuthin' but a number.

 

I agree that it should have nothing to do with his age. I can't speak to what his maturity level is, but apparently the FO does not think he's ready.

[Kimmi]

I don't think last night's example is only about one game samples...those instances will occur a number of times during the season, guaranteed.

 

In short, the more at bats your best hitter gets, the better.

 

I think some are putting too much emphasis on RBIs rather than on runs created or runs generated. Even though a lead off hitter might not have as many RBI opportunities, hits/walks by the lead off and #2 guys generate more runs than they do in other positions.

[Kimmi]

And Devers is just sitting in AAA mashing.

 

He will be called up when the time is right.

[jgreene2417]

He will be called up when the time is right.

 

So the fact that Boston has absolutely nothing at 3rd base right now, and he his hitting AA and AAA pitching like he is bored would not qualify as this being the right time?

[Kimmi]

So the fact that Boston has absolutely nothing at 3rd base right now, and he his hitting AA and AAA pitching like he is bored would not qualify as this being the right time?

 

If the FO truly thought he was ready, he might be up now.

 

I think they feel that he is very close, but could still benefit from some more time in AAA. Since we are not 2 games out of the playoffs, I think the FO has the luxury of waiting.

[mvp 78]

If the FO truly thought he was ready, he might be up now.

 

I think they feel that he is very close, but could still benefit from some more time in AAA. Since we are not 2 games out of the playoffs, I think the FO has the luxury of waiting.

 

I wonder if they think they can patchwork 3b until the deadline and plug in either a cheap trade piece or call Devers up.

[Spudboy]

I agree that it should have nothing to do with his age. I can't speak to what his maturity level is, but apparently the FO does not think he's ready.

 

If you are discussing Devers, yesterday on a NESN pre-game interview DD said that Devers was not yet mentally prepared for MLB.

 

Am I the only one who saw this? I'm not making this s*** up. Lol.

Edited July 19, 2017 by Spudboy

[SoxnCycles]

So the fact that Boston has absolutely nothing at 3rd base right now, and he his hitting AA and AAA pitching like he is bored would not qualify as this being the right time?

 

Abosolutely nothing is a bit of an overstatement. Lin had a respectable .379 OBP.

 

Like Kimmi theorized and Spud comfirmed, if they don't think Devers is ready, the Sox FO aren't calling him up.

 

I prefer they err on the side of caution.

As good as the kid is, he doesn't need to feel that he'll be responsible for sparking a mediocre offense.

[Hugh2]

If you are discussing Devers, yesterday on a NESN pre-game interview DD said that Devers was not yet mentally prepared for MLB.

 

Am I the only one who saw this? I'm not making this s*** up. Lol.

 

No I've heard that the Sox don't think he's ready and aren't ready to promote him yet either as well.