Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[moonslav59]

Probably, but why would the Sox make that trade? Bour is 29 and plays 1b, Prado is over the hill on an expensive contract and Phelps is an ok reliever. That's not a trade you throw Devers into.

 

Moreland is slumping badly, Prado covers 3B for a couple years, and Phelps gives us a high K set up man.

 

I'm not saying I want to make this deal, but was responding to a poster who spoke on how the Marlins are looking to dump players.

 

Bour has seen his OPS rise significantly every year in the majors. He's at .924 now with 20 HRs. He has 3 arb years left, Moreland is a FA after this year. THe window is 3 more years after this.

 

There are some pluses to the idea.

 

I'm not for trading Devers, but if we do, it should be for a high quality player with several years of team control.

 

BTW,

[sk7326]

4.9 BB/9 is scary as hell.

 

Would the Marlins take....

 

Devers, Travis, Beeks, Lakins and Marrero

For

Bour, Prado & Phelps

???

 

The Marlins would take, it drive Bour to the airport ... and try to get it done before Dombrowski's buzz wears off

[moonslav59]

The Marlins would take, it drive Bour to the airport ... and try to get it done before Dombrowski's buzz wears off

 

LOL.

 

My post was made with the "here and now" crowd in mind.

[sk7326]

Now what is unfortunate is that the Sox do not have that Fuentes-Margot-Guerra layer of prospects for these sort of short run deals - they have been used. (the guys who are blocked or lower ceiling - but would definitely have futures)

 

Now they COULD use their first round pick this year as a PTBNL ... which I'd understand - although again you'd want to make it count.

[Kimmi]

From Matthew Kory:

 

Nobody has mentioned Castellanos in rumors, not that I’ve heard of anyway. But the Tigers are out of it, they need to sell JD Martinez, and they’re probably not far from flinging whatever isn’t nailed down out the door. Castellanos is sort of nailed down, but maybe. He’s a former first round draft pick, selected by none other than Dave Dombrowski, and he’s the toolsy sort of guy you’d expect based on the first part of this sentence. He’s not a great fielder, but he’s under team control through the 2020 season and, here’s the kicker, he’s crushing the ball. According to FanGraphs, Castellanos is making hard contact 49.6 percent of the time! That’s insane and way above what he’s done in the past. Yet, his BABIP hasn’t shown it yet. Part of the problem is his 41 percent ground ball rate, but if he starts hitting the ball in the air with that kind of contact, this is a guy you would want in the lineup. So maybe the Sox take a shot with a guy like this hoping the improvement shows up sometime upon reaching Fenway.

 

He doesn't seem like he's much of an upgrade, if any, and his defense is not good. I only bring this up because he's a Dombrowski guy so maybe he's on Dombrowski's radar.

[harmony]

From Matthew Kory:

 

Nobody has mentioned Castellanos in rumors, not that I’ve heard of anyway. But the Tigers are out of it, they need to sell JD Martinez, and they’re probably not far from flinging whatever isn’t nailed down out the door. Castellanos is sort of nailed down, but maybe. He’s a former first round draft pick, selected by none other than Dave Dombrowski, and he’s the toolsy sort of guy you’d expect based on the first part of this sentence. He’s not a great fielder, but he’s under team control through the 2020 season and, here’s the kicker, he’s crushing the ball. According to FanGraphs, Castellanos is making hard contact 49.6 percent of the time! That’s insane and way above what he’s done in the past. Yet, his BABIP hasn’t shown it yet. Part of the problem is his 41 percent ground ball rate, but if he starts hitting the ball in the air with that kind of contact, this is a guy you would want in the lineup. So maybe the Sox take a shot with a guy like this hoping the improvement shows up sometime upon reaching Fenway.

 

He doesn't seem like he's much of an upgrade, if any, and his defense is not good. I only bring this up because he's a Dombrowski guy so maybe he's on Dombrowski's radar.

Would anybody trade Rafael Devers and Pablo Sandoval to the Tigers for Nick Castellanos?

 

I suspect Detroit would not because the Tigers have their own luxury tax concerns.

[sk7326]

Would anybody trade Rafael Devers and Pablo Sandoval to the Tigers for Nick Castellanos?

 

I suspect Detroit would not because the Tigers have their own luxury tax concerns.

 

Why - any evidence Castellanos would be the best choice at 3B in that deal?

[harmony]

Why - any evidence Castellanos would be the best choice at 3B in that deal?

No.

 

It's a salary dump as the Red Sox strive to avoid escalating luxury tax penalties.

[mvp 78]

No.

 

It's a salary dump as the Red Sox strive to avoid escalating luxury tax penalties.

 

If they stay under this year, don't the penalties reset?

[Spudboy]

DD just said today that this team has no urgent needs.

 

Said that while he is always looking to improve the team, a set-up man is not a need as Kelly has been really good.

 

Certainly no starting pitching will be sought.

[harmony]

If they stay under this year, don't the penalties reset?

Indeed penalties reset if the Red Sox make no expensive in-season additions.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Not sure where the Giants reporter is getting the info but said:

 

If Nuñez proves health, deal to #redsox makes sense for both sides. #sfgiants may not get huge return but would save $1.4m. Every $ helps.

Nunez would make sense for the Red Sox as it would allow them to move Betts to the middle-of-the-order with Nunez leading off. I doubt the Giants are expecting a big return for Nunez. To acquire him from the Twins, the Giants gave up a prospect who profiles as a bottom of the rotation starter.

[mvp 78]

Not sure where the Giants reporter is getting the info but said:

 

 

Nunez would make sense for the Red Sox as it would allow them to move Betts to the middle-of-the-order with Nunez leading off. I doubt the Giants are expecting a big return for Nunez. To acquire him from the Twins, the Giants gave up a prospect who profiles as a bottom of the rotation starter.

 

Is Nunez much of an upgrade over Lin?

[a700hitter]

Is Nunez much of an upgrade over Lin?

Is he a good fielder?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Is Nunez much of an upgrade over Lin?

 

Maybe not, but he does have a longer track record than Lin.

 

Just read this:

Brian Bilek‏ @BrianBilek_ 59m59 minutes ago

 

#Source re: #WhiteSox -#RedSox Frazier deal: "Not quite done - but has legs. Almost in the medicals stage. Don't expect a great return."

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Also:

Boston Strong‏ @BostonStrong_34 2h2 hours ago

 

Source; Red Sox are making a strong push for Todd Frazier.

 

And:

Boston Strong‏ @BostonStrong_34 16m16 minutes ago

 

Deven Marrero apparently made a nice impression in Chicago with his 2 HR vs Quintana, makes sense if he's dealt.

 

I can understand a team having interest in Marrero if they need a SS, but I thought the White Sox liked T.Anderson? Anderson isn't hitting very well this year and maybe his glove is nothing special? Don't know much about Anderson. If the White Sox trade for Marrero, they probably have doubts about Anderson.

[oldtimer]

DD just said today that this team has no urgent needs.

 

Said that while he is always looking to improve the team, a set-up man is not a need as Kelly has been really good.

 

Certainly no starting pitching will be sought.

 

Typical GM speak. The Red Sox do have needs but don't want to do anything stupid in acquiring them. We can use another bullpen arm and another hitter who can play 3rd base. We do have financial limitations and clearly don't want to trade away A prospects. I expect that DD already has talked to many clubs and has identified potential deals with only two weeks left until the trade deadline.

[Fisk]

I'm fine with a Frazier trade but should include no top prospects. Definitely not Devers, Chavis, Groome or Mata.

[notin]

I'm fine with a Frazier trade but should include no top prospects. Definitely not Devers, Chavis, Groome or Mata.

 

 

The whole "not the good prospects" thing does make deals impossible. Those are mostly the guys Hahn would want.

 

I could see a Sam Travis / Todd Frazier swap as plausible.

[Fisk]

I'm not sure how much you would have to give up, he's a rental who's hitting 217. How many contenders are looking for a third basemen.

I was thinking along the lines of an Ockimey or Dalbec, plus one of our many fungible minor league relievers.

[moonslav59]

I'm not sure how much you would have to give up, he's a rental who's hitting 217. How many contenders are looking for a third basemen.

I was thinking along the lines of an Ockimey or Dalbec, plus one of our many fungible minor league relievers.

 

Frazier is off to a bad start, and he has hit worse in the second half every single season he's been in the bigs. I would not trade for him, unless the cost is very low.

[Spudboy]

Frazier is off to a bad start, and he has hit worse in the second half every single season he's been in the bigs. I would not trade for him, unless the cost is very low.

 

Frazier is a low OBP all or nothing free swinger with average chops at third.

 

He is exactly the type of player the Sox should stay away from unless he is gifted to the Sox.

 

Nope. I'd rather keep rolling with Lin and Marrero and an occasional appearance by Holt if necessary ( assuming he makes it back ).

[Fisk]

Frazier is walking a lot this year, and is good at third. If the cost is not high I would definitely trade for him.

[OH FOY]

I'm in on Frazier too, Sox need a hitter, with 1 swing can tie or win a game. Earl Weaver's philosophy, 3 Run HRS. Like Lin and Marrero, but wont bring Sox back with 1 swing.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

MLB Memes‏ @MLBMeme 2h2 hours ago

 

BREAKING: #RedSox close to acquiring former All-Star and Home Run Derby Champion!!!

 

Red Sox Stats‏ @redsoxstats 1h1 hour ago

 

ESPN Deportes reporting Red Sox - White Sox trade talks for Todd Frazier have picked up steam this morning.

 

After the Red Sox acquire Frazier, assuming it happens, I wonder if Y.Alfonso should be the Red Sox's next trade target? Frazier and Alfonso would add a lot of power to the lineup.

 

Betts RF

Pedroia 2b

Alfonso 1b/dh

Hanley dh

Benintendi LF

Bogaerts SS

Bradley CF

Frazier 3b

Vazquez C

 

With Moreland getting playing time at 1b, moving Alfonso to DH, Hanley to the bench, against tough righties

Edited July 15, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[OH FOY]

The whole "not the good prospects" thing does make deals impossible. Those are mostly the guys Hahn would want.

 

I could see a Sam Travis / Todd Frazier swap as plausible.

 

I would never make that Trade. Taking on his Salary, plus your best Prospect for 1st is gone. Now you got to either reassign Moreland, (he's not signing a 1 year deal this off--season), or go back to the FA market. Subtraction by Addition. White Sox would do it in a heartbeat. I think they would take less to move on from Frazier. They even want to move on from Abreu, Travis goes there they could probably keep him where he is best at DH.

Not for a Rental, and you get nothing back in Compensation. And your best Minor League Prospect at 1st is in High A.

Edited July 15, 2017 by OH FOY!

[Examiner]

Todd Frazier at third please.

[moonslav59]

With all due respect, we are not going to and we should not bench or platoon HRam.

 

Moreland is a strong candidate for that, if you need to add a big bat somewhere other than 3B.

 

HRam is doing much better vs RHPs now. He's got his OPS up to .777 after starting the year below .600.

 

He's as hot as any Sox player:

 

1.667 last 7 days

.996 last 14 days

.970 last 28 days

 

Again, HRam is NOT going to be benched or platooned.

[moonslav59]

Todd Frazier at third please.

 

Please no.

 

Career splits:

 

1st half: .825

2nd half: .719

 

He's had lower 2nd half splits every single year in the bigs.

 

He's off to a bad start, so if he continues his career trend, his second half would be worse than bad.

[harmony]

For what it's worth, ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project Todd Frazier with rest-of-season WAR of 1.0, 1.2 and 1.2:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=785&position=3B

 

As points of reference, here the the ZiPS rest-of-season projections for Red Sox hitters:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=rzips&team=3&lg=all&players=0&sort=24,d

 

And the Steamer ROS projections for Red Sox hitters:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamerr&team=3&lg=all&players=0&sort=27,d

 

... and the FanGraphs Depth Charts projections:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=rfangraphsdc&team=3&lg=all&players=0&sort=24,d

Edited July 15, 2017 by harmony