Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[moonslav59]

I suggested trading Swihart countless times, for many of the reasons 700 mentioned, but that was when his stock was high.

 

Don't sell low.

 

Our best hope is to have Swihart build up his stock value and then trade him or one of our other catchers.

 

With our catcher's hitting always in question, I still think the idea of having Swihart on the 25 man roster, assuming he's healthy and playing well, would allow us to pinch hit for our catchers more often. Swihart would have to be more than a third catcher in this scenario. He's have to be our 4th or 5th OF'er (LF only) plus maybe learn how to play 1B or 3B depending on hos well Devers or Travis are doing.

[jacksonianmarch]

Swihart isn't hitting at all in AAA. What makes you think he should be promoted for hitting like a sack of s***? I think he is done, personally. I think the ankle injury was more severe than initially reported. I know he missed time with pain in the ankle again. I wouldn't be surprised if you hear about offseason surgery for him again, or even in season surgery. There's a damn good chance his trial in LF ruined his career

[mvp 78]

Swihart isn't hitting at all in AAA. What makes you think he should be promoted for hitting like a sack of s***? I think he is done, personally. I think the ankle injury was more severe than initially reported. I know he missed time with pain in the ankle again. I wouldn't be surprised if you hear about offseason surgery for him again, or even in season surgery. There's a damn good chance his trial in LF ruined his career

 

Unfortunately, you're right about this one.

[moonslav59]

Swihart isn't hitting at all in AAA. What makes you think he should be promoted for hitting like a sack of s***? I think he is done, personally. I think the ankle injury was more severe than initially reported. I know he missed time with pain in the ankle again. I wouldn't be surprised if you hear about offseason surgery for him again, or even in season surgery. There's a damn good chance his trial in LF ruined his career

 

I never said "I think he will be promoted" or that I think he should be. I just said I would not give up on the idea by selling at his all time lowest stock value.

 

He's still got upside, and I guess some team might see that and want that, but I doubt, even as a throw in, his trade value is worth anything right now.

 

I'd keep him at this point, and hope he turns things around. If he doesn't, we haven't lost anything more than by trading him now.

[harmony]

The Mets already have their version of Swihart in d'Arnaud. A catcher that can't catch. If they are going to fix someone, they will fix d'Arnaud.

Blake Swihart's trade value might be similar to that of Mets catcher Kevin Plawecki, who is one year older than Swihart.

 

Swihart has posted 0.6 bWAR in 103 MLB games while Plawecki has posted 0.8 bWAR in 131 MLB games. Each entered the 2017 season with five years of team control.

[a700hitter]

[h=2]Red Sox Release Jhonny Peralta[/h]By Jeff Todd | July 13, 2017 at 2:32pm CDT

The Red Sox have released veteran third baseman Jhonny Peralta, per a club announcement. He had been playing with the team’s Triple-A affiliate after signing a minors deal.

Get ready for DD to make a deal.

[mvp 78]

Get ready for DD to make a deal.

 

Why? They brought in Peralta to see if he had anything left. He didn't.

[mvp 78]

@SPChrisHatfield

 

Red Sox have released Jhonny Peralta. I'd surmise that Rafael Devers' promotion is imminent - if not today, then by Monday.

 

They'll need to figure out what to do with Panda too.

[mvp 78]

@SPChrisHatfield

 

Meanwhile, decision on Sandoval due by Monday. As @TimBritton just posited, that decision could be tied to Holt's health.

 

Most writers on twitter are surmising that Devers will be called up to AAA in the very near future.

[a700hitter]

Why? They brought in Peralta to see if he had anything left. He didn't.

I don't think DD will ride it out with Lin and Marrero. Pablo is also done. The next move could be bringing up Devers to see if he can handle it, but he is running out of time before the trading deadline. I am betting on him acquiring a 3B.

[Kimmi]

I agree ... and really the decision point is essentially now.

 

The decision was more or less made when they placed Pablo on the DL for an ear infection.

[Kimmi]

Swihart looked good at the plate at times, but his numbers just aren't very impressive. He needed to boost them this year and he went in the other direction instead.

 

Unfortunately, I think his injury last year really set his development back. I would not give up on him yet.

[Kimmi]

This could be HUGE!!! (.... for my fantasy team)

 

At the very least, it keeps him away from the Yankees.

[a700hitter]

Unfortunately, I think his injury last year really set his development back. I would not give up on him yet.

It would make no sense to give up on him now. We need to let him try to recover his value or just become a bust.

[Kimmi]

Unfortunately, you're right about this one.

 

It's possible, which is why it's not wise to make rash decisions.

[NativeBostonian]

I think Pablo is going to be released soon too. I think they’re waiting him out in the minors and if he doesn’t show anything (I expect that), they’ll cut their loses.

[Spudboy]

We need to come to the realization that we will get nothing from Pablo. The sooner the FO realizes that the better off for the team.

 

I certainly agree.

 

As egregious as that five year deal is, the real problem is having a non-contributing player occupy a space on the 25 man roster. It hinders what can be done in every game.

 

If he is useless then limit the damage his deal does to the team. The money is gone anyway.

[Spudboy]

Unfortunately, I think his injury last year really set his development back. I would not give up on him yet.

 

I am glad to hear you feel this way too.

 

When healthy that kid can run, hit, and throw.

 

He is very athletic with a nice stroke and good approach.

 

He has already proven that he can make the adjustment to MLB pitching.

 

I say don't give up on him yet.

[Kimmi]

I am glad to hear you feel this way too.

 

When healthy that kid can run, hit, and throw.

 

He is very athletic with a nice stroke and good approach.

 

He has already proven that he can make the adjustment to MLB pitching.

 

I say don't give up on him yet.

 

IMO, he has not had the opportunity to develop 'properly'. One year (when Vazquez got injured), his development was disrupted out of necessity. Last year, I think the FO acted rashly in both replacing him with Vaz and moving him to left field.

 

I have no problem moving him to LF if the long term plan was to move him off of catching, but if the long term plan was for him to be a catcher, then moving him to left field made little sense.

 

I have always liked Swihart. I hope he can recover.

[Jasonbay44]

I still like Swihart as well. I just really don't like the way they handled him last year. Really stupid IMO, and that's how you ruin a prospect. This changing of his position and randomly calling up/sending him down is just dumb.

[sk7326]

I think last year hurt Swihart - and clearly the ankle injury is a problem (and possibly behind some of his actual struggles) ... he needs to get healthy again, and it does not make sense to sell on him untul then.

[Bellhorn04]

Now is the time to have a lot of patience with a guy like Swihart.

[Hugh2]

Now is the time to have a lot of patience with a guy like Swihart.

 

Although it's nto entirely the same situation I see some parralels to JBJ and his development. Swihart was sort of rushed, jerked around with position changes, and then gets injured. Now it looks like he's having a lost year. But you never know.....he could be an integral part of this team in 2019.

 

But to echo the point in here, we should not sell low on Swihart.

[Jasonbay44]

The Marlins are doing their annual purge. Names rumored to be available include AJ Ramos, wonder what cost would be to get him? He could be a definite boost for the pen.

[moonslav59]

The Marlins are doing their annual purge. Names rumored to be available include AJ Ramos, wonder what cost would be to get him? He could be a definite boost for the pen.

 

4.9 BB/9 is scary as hell.

 

Would the Marlins take....

 

Devers, Travis, Beeks, Lakins and Marrero

For

Bour, Prado & Phelps

???

[harmony]

Agree, but you could easily get a Rental for him, for team who is looking younger, Frazier, Robertson, easily. White Sox are looking for the future. They will be patient about injury, because of his history. We still got Butler in the Minors, not that bad too if needed.

Last November, in comparing Blake Swihart with Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a similar age, I wrote: "Swihart's performance in the first four months of 2017 should determine whether he has more, less or about the same trade value as Saltalamacchia had on July 31, 2010" when the Texas Rangers traded Saltalamacchia to the Red Sox for the humble package of Chris McGuiness, Roman Mendez, Michael Thomas and cash.

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17857-Swihart-To-Undergo-Ankle-Surgery/page6

 

SoxProspects never ranked McGuiness, Mendez or Thomas among the franchise's Top 20 prospects.

 

I can't imagine that Swihart would command a greater return this month.

[notin]

Last November, in comparing Blake Swihart with Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a similar age, I wrote: "Swihart's performance in the first four months of 2017 should determine whether he has more, less or about the same trade value as Saltalamacchia had on July 31, 2010" when the Texas Rangers traded Saltalamacchia to the Red Sox for the humble package of Chris McGuiness, Roman Mendez, Michael Thomas and cash.

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17857-Swihart-To-Undergo-Ankle-Surgery/page6

 

SoxProspects never ranked McGuiness, Mendez or Thomas among the franchise's Top 20 prospects.

 

I can't imagine that Swihart would command a greater return this month.

 

Or you could have compared him to Mike Zunino, who looked completely useless through is age 24 season (OPS+ of 71). but has been much improved since...

[mvp 78]

4.9 BB/9 is scary as hell.

 

Would the Marlins take....

 

Devers, Travis, Beeks, Lakins and Marrero

For

Bour, Prado & Phelps

???

 

Probably, but why would the Sox make that trade? Bour is 29 and plays 1b, Prado is over the hill on an expensive contract and Phelps is an ok reliever. That's not a trade you throw Devers into.

[Jack Flap]

I agree with all the prior posts about Swihart...dumping him now for pennies on the dollar would be incredibly stupid. He was rushed to the majors, got hurt after being thrown into a new position on the fly, and has barely played in the past year. IMO he should be given every opportunity to get healthy and try to work his way back to where he was a couple of years ago.

 

As for Pablo, he wasn't good enough to hold down a ML roster spot in June, and I don't see what's happened to make anyone think he's any more worthy of one today. Since he went on the DL, Lin has emerged and Marrero has played better, and those 3B reps in AAA really need to be going to Devers at this point. All signs seem to point to us just cutting ties...I don't blame the FO for being squeamish about writing off that much money, but it's a sunk cost at this point and you can't keep running him out there to the detriment of the team.

[harmony]

Or you could have compared him to Mike Zunino, who looked completely useless through is age 24 season (OPS+ of 71). but has been much improved since...

Indeed, on this forum in February I suggested that the Red Sox would be pleased if Blake Swihart's age 25 season matched the age 25 season of Mike Zunino in 2016 when Zunino started the year at Triple A:

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17652-Christian-Vazquez/page73

 

Swihart and Zunino are former Baseball America 17th-ranked prospects who started their age 25 seasons at Triple A after stints as MLB starting catchers. Last year in his age 25 season Zunino posted a .286/.376/.521/.898 line (wRC+ 138) in 327 plate appearances at Triple A and a .207/.318/.470/.787 line in 192 plate appearances after his call-up to MLB. This year in his age 25 season Swihart has posted a .213/.265/.327/.592 line (wRC+ 61) in 163 plate appearances at Triple A.

 

This year Zunino was Seattle's Opening Day catcher but was sent down after posting a .167/.250/.236/.486 line in 80 plate appearances over 24 games. Since his return on May 24 Zunino has posted a .254/.310/.577/.887 line in 142 plate appearances over 40 games. Zunino led all MLB hitters with 31 RBI in June* when he posted a .304/.371/.722/1.092 line in 89 plate appearances.

 

Swihart's prospects would be brighter is he possessed Zunino's skills behind the plate.

 

* Zunino has posted an ugly .087/.087/.217/.304 line in 23 plate appearances in July. Zunino is consistent behind the plate but among baseball's streakiest hitters at the plate.

Edited July 14, 2017 by harmony