Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[mvp 78]

What do they need to upgrade?

 

3B and pitching (always)

 

Who do you think they will get?

 

Professional 3B rental on cheap dollars imo.

 

Will they stay under the cap?

 

Maybe? Though DD says they don't have to. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/06/deadline-notes-red-sox-giants-relievers-torres-verlander-cozart-cabrera.html

 

The Red Sox do not need to stay under the luxury tax line in making their deadline moves, president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said in an appearance today on WEEI. Recent estimates put Boston about $9MM shy of the threshold, which has added implications under the new CBA since the tax escalates when it is owed in consecutive seasons. While the Sox will no doubt weigh that factor in assessing possible trades, it’s notable that the organization doesn’t feel compelled to stay within those limits.

[Hugh2]

Sox could use a high leverage reliever and we've all seen what the market for those are the last couple trade deadlines. Teams could ask for Rafael Devers for a closer caliber reliever and someone else will pay it if you don't.

 

I think they need to start cycling through guys in Pawtucket and see what sticks.

 

Chandler Shepard, Jalen Beeks, Kyle Martin, Brandon Workman and focus on a stop gap 3B. It is obvious they will not rush Devers.......but perhaps that might change come July 31st if he's still crushing it in the minors and the price for a 3B is too high.

 

Personally I think the plan is to promote him after the AA all star break. So if he's mashing it in Pawtucket for a couple weeks I think the team might reconsider bringing him up in August.

[mvp 78]

Sox could use a high leverage reliever and we've all seen what the market for those are the last couple trade deadlines. Teams could ask for Rafael Devers for a closer caliber reliever and someone else will pay it if you don't.

 

I think they need to start cycling through guys in Pawtucket and see what sticks.

 

Chandler Shepard, Jalen Beeks, Kyle Martin, Brandon Workman and focus on a stop gap 3B. It is obvious they will not rush Devers.......but perhaps that might change come July 31st if he's still crushing it in the minors and the price for a 3B is too high.

 

Personally I think the plan is to promote him after the AA all star break. So if he's mashing it in Pawtucket for a couple weeks I think the team might reconsider bringing him up in August.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with the cycling through relievers from Pawtucket. They have enough guys with promise down there (Callahan, Buttrey) that they should give those guys a look before spending more resources on relieve pitchers.

[fxkatt]

When are Smith and Thornburg coming off the DL. Given that they'll return minimally by next year, any reliever replacements would be patch-work. They're both stopper quality.

 

Hitting to me is the bigger problem. Geez.

[harmony]

What players in the Red Sox organization have trade value, and how much trade value?

[a700hitter]

When are Smith and Thornburg coming off the DL. Given that they'll return minimally by next year, any reliever replacements would be patch-work. They're both stopper quality.

 

Hitting to me is the bigger problem. Geez.

Thornburg is done for the year and part of next season.

[Hugh2]

Thornburg is done for the year and part of next season.

 

Might I add that it doesn't look good for Carson Smith either. He had a "setback" in his rehab and the organization has said that they "don't rule out a return this year" which to me is jargon for...."he's probably not coming back this year."

[Hugh2]

What players in the Red Sox organization have trade value, and how much trade value?

 

Off the MLB roster the guys with the most value would likely be Devers and Groome. Guys who aren't on that tier but who have probably seen their stock go up a ton this season are Michael Chavis and Bryan Mata. Aside from that I don't think the Sox have a ton of significant pieces, a lot of guys who profile as relievers still carry value but only so much.

[mvp 78]

What players in the Red Sox organization have trade value, and how much trade value?

 

Tier 1: Devers - Could be used in a trade for almost any player

Tier 2: Groome, Travis - Could be used in a trade to bring back a solid MLB player

Tier 3: Ockimey, Chavis, Swihart - Could be used as part of a package to bring in MLB talent

Tier 4: Everyone else - throw in on any deal

[dustcover]

Perhaps the Sox should consider bringing Devers up now to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. At least see what he has to offer at the MLB level. If he doesn't show well by the end of July, then back to Pawtucket he goes. But the Sox will better know where they stand regarding the trade market for a 3B. If on the other hand Devers can hold his own, not necessarily spectacular, but better than any of the others the Sox have tried so far, it may warrant letting him take over 3B for the rest of the season.

[illinoisredsox]

Sox could use a high leverage reliever and we've all seen what the market for those are the last couple trade deadlines. Teams could ask for Rafael Devers for a closer caliber reliever and someone else will pay it if you don't.

 

I think they need to start cycling through guys in Pawtucket and see what sticks.

 

Chandler Shepard, Jalen Beeks, Kyle Martin, Brandon Workman and focus on a stop gap 3B. It is obvious they will not rush Devers.......but perhaps that might change come July 31st if he's still crushing it in the minors and the price for a 3B is too high.

 

Personally I think the plan is to promote him after the AA all star break. So if he's mashing it in Pawtucket for a couple weeks I think the team might reconsider bringing him up in August.

 

First, the bull pen pretty much has done the job this year. So I'm not real sure why one would choose to go that route.

 

But for the sake of discussion, who are you taking off the major league roster to make room to cycle through these PawSox? Right now, your choices would be Barnes, Hembree, Scott, Abad, and Boyer (I'm assuming that Kimbrel and Kelly are safe under this cycle program).

 

Abad and Boyer are expendable, but is changing the #6 and #7 relievers going to do much? Hembree is out of options, so you would have to release him. Scott is your lefty specialist; yeah he's had a rough last couple of outings but for the most part he has done the job this year. Barnes has been inconsistent, but are any of these guys going to better than him?

 

The starters have been far more of an issue.

[Kimmi]

I don't think finding a reliever is a top priority. If they can add someone for cheap who will help the team, then by all means, go for it. But I would use whatever resources we have elsewhere, namely a solid 3B.

 

BTW, I absolutely hate all of the rumors floating around at this.

[harmony]

Tier 1: Devers - Could be used in a trade for almost any player

Tier 2: Groome, Travis - Could be used in a trade to bring back a solid MLB player

Tier 3: Ockimey, Chavis, Swihart - Could be used as part of a package to bring in MLB talent

Tier 4: Everyone else - throw in on any deal

Last November, in comparing Blake Swihart with Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a similar age, I wrote: "Swihart's performance in the first four months of 2017 should determine whether he has more, less or about the same trade value as Saltalamacchia had on July 31, 2010" when the Texas Rangers traded Saltalamacchia to the Red Sox for the humble package of Chris McGuiness, Roman Mendez, Michael Thomas and cash.

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17857-Swihart-To-Undergo-Ankle-Surgery/page6

 

In February I questioned projections that had Seattle catcher Mike Zunino outproducing Swihart this year (although I suggested that the Red Sox would be pleased if Swihart's age 25 season matched the age 25 season of Zunino in 2016 when Zunino started the year at Triple A).

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17652-Christian-Vazquez/page73

 

I doubt the Red Sox will trade-low on Swihart so the Sox are unlikely to break up the catching trio of Swihart, Christian Vazquez and Sandy Leon.

[Spudboy]

What players in the Red Sox organization have trade value, and how much trade value?

 

Boom.

 

Aside from the players that we don't want to move, that is.

[dgalehouse]

Trade deadline rumors are as annoying , and usually as inaccurate , as those dumb mock drafts in the NFL. Anyway , I would say that the bullpen is the least of our needs. Third base is the obvious problem area.

[Hugh2]

First, the bull pen pretty much has done the job this year. So I'm not real sure why one would choose to go that route.

 

But for the sake of discussion, who are you taking off the major league roster to make room to cycle through these PawSox? Right now, your choices would be Barnes, Hembree, Scott, Abad, and Boyer (I'm assuming that Kimbrel and Kelly are safe under this cycle program).

 

Abad and Boyer are expendable, but is changing the #6 and #7 relievers going to do much? Hembree is out of options, so you would have to release him. Scott is your lefty specialist; yeah he's had a rough last couple of outings but for the most part he has done the job this year. Barnes has been inconsistent, but are any of these guys going to better than him?

 

The starters have been far more of an issue.

 

You're right, the bullpen has been deceptively good this year. Perhaps it's the fact that a shutdown bullpen stands out more in the postseason and despite the good number Joe Kelly doesn't exactly strike me as the guy to strike fear into lineups in the 8th. Perhaps continued success will win me over in July. But I don't really want to see anymore assets spent on improving the bullpen

[Hugh2]

But ugh yeah....offense is 10x the concern

[bowman]

Still not sure what DD was thinking trading Travis Shaw. Not saying Shaw is Bagwell, but trading a young everyday player with some pop for a reliever is a stupid move. DD must of had a lot of faith in Panda. I don't care if Thornberg was pitching good for us, we gave up too much.

[fxkatt]

Still not sure what DD was thinking trading Travis Shaw. Not saying Shaw is Bagwell, but trading a young everyday player with some pop for a reliever is a stupid move. DD must of had a lot of faith in Panda. I don't care if Thornberg was pitching good for us, we gave up too much.

 

Great point. His presence this year would provide a lot of the missing pop, and perhaps put a stop to many of the lineup switches.

[S5Dewey]

Tier 1: Devers - Could be used in a trade for almost any player

Tier 2: Groome, Travis - Could be used in a trade to bring back a solid MLB player

Tier 3: Ockimey, Chavis, Swihart - Could be used as part of a package to bring in MLB talent

Tier 4: Everyone else - throw in on any deal

 

I'll trade none from Tier 1, None from tier 2 and all of those listed from Tiers 3 & 4.

 

To expand on that a bit..

Devers is not available - unless we can land a young, cost controlled 3B and I don't see any of those peeking in the windows.

 

We've had little success at developing stud pitchers and with the trading of Kopeck Groome is the only one we have left who might have a future.

We need to let Moreland go at the end of the year and bring up Travis permanently as our 1B. He has the qualities I want at 1B. Big, hits well, good Defense.

 

Ockimey (I hate to see him go because I've had the pleasure of meeting him personally. Nice kid) still has to work on his defense but if we promote Travis there's no place for Ockimey.

Chavis is the last of these three whom I'd trade. He's our insurance if we can't sign Bogaerts. He's no XBo, but he's the best SS in our system.

Swihart is a player whom we'd be doing a favor if we traded him. I'm not crazy about trading him but he's like all three of these guys in that you do have to give quality to get quality.

 

Everyone else - Yep.

[mvp 78]

Chavis doesn't play SS at all.

[S5Dewey]

Chavis doesn't play SS at all.

 

My bad. You're right.

 

And as an interesting sidelight the Pawtucket Red Sox has no player listed on their roster as either a SS or a 1B.

[Kimmi]

Trade deadline rumors are as annoying , and usually as inaccurate , as those dumb mock drafts in the NFL. Anyway , I would say that the bullpen is the least of our needs. Third base is the obvious problem area.

 

^^This.

[mvp 78]

I love all rumors and innuendo around this time.

[S5Dewey]

I hate Fake News.

[Nick]

^^This.

 

I'm with Kimmi....ultimately she's the most rational poster here

Edited June 30, 2017 by Nick

[Hugh2]

I hate Fake News.

 

Well often times the rumors are correct and the trades just don't materialize, or often times two separate rumors alone are correct but are tied together through a narrative. Team A might be looking for a 3B and team B might be looking to sell one and some sports writer ponders if there would be mutual interest.

 

Being wrong, isn't analogous to being fake.

 

Sorry, I just think this whole new "fake news" fad needs to die out.

[S5Dewey]

Well often times the rumors are correct and the trades just don't materialize, or often times two separate rumors alone are correct but are tied together through a narrative. Team A might be looking for a 3B and team B might be looking to sell one and some sports writer ponders if there would be mutual interest.

 

Being wrong, isn't analogous to being fake.

 

Sorry, I just think this whole new "fake news" fad needs to die out.

 

And often times they're pipe dreams put out there by some writer who thinks "this would be a good idea!" and it somehow gets traction. Often times it comes from media people, one of whom would say, "What do you think the Red Sox biggest need is?" and they get the reply, "They should be looking to get a player like Machado." Suddenly someone else reports that the Sox are serious about Machado, which may be no where near the truth.

 

I realize that it's the job of writers to report news but I wish they'd be a bit more judicious in what they report as news. Otherwise it's fake news.

[Dojji]

What would people think of going to the Angels and finding the asking price on Yunel Escobar? He seems like a pretty good fit for what we need.

[moonslav59]

What do they need to upgrade?

 

3B and pitching (always)

 

Who do you think they will get?

 

Professional 3B rental on cheap dollars imo.

 

Will they stay under the cap?

 

Maybe? Though DD says they don't have to. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/06/deadline-notes-red-sox-giants-relievers-torres-verlander-cozart-cabrera.html

 

The Red Sox do not need to stay under the luxury tax line in making their deadline moves, president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said in an appearance today on WEEI. Recent estimates put Boston about $9MM shy of the threshold, which has added implications under the new CBA since the tax escalates when it is owed in consecutive seasons. While the Sox will no doubt weigh that factor in assessing possible trades, it’s notable that the organization doesn’t feel compelled to stay within those limits.

 

I agree with everything you say here, but I do think staying under the limit is a high priority--very high. They could go over, but it looks like it will be much harder to stay under next year to reset the numbers. It would mean we'd have to not replace Young and Moreland with free agents. We could not sign anybody to any significant contract. Pretty much all of Young and Moreland's money will go to arb raises and option year raises.