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[Dojji]

Third base has sucked for the Sox since Mike Lowell retired.

 

There was a guy we signed a few years back that seemed pretty decent to me. Adrian something.

[Dojji]

Third base has sucked for the Sox since Mike Lowell retired.

 

You forgot Beltre and Youk.

 

Our last good year at 3B was Youk in 2011 (+3.5 WAR).

.833 OPS and -3.8 UZR/150 (his best fielding year at 3B from 2009-2013)

 

Beltre's 2010 season has been the best since 2003.

 

Best WAR seasons by a Sox 3Bman since 2003:

 

6.4 Beltre 2010 (.918 OPS)

5.9 Youk 2009 (.961 OPS but played more 1B than 3B)

4.7 Mueller 2003

4.5 Lowell 2007

3.5 Mueller 2005

3.5 Youk 2011

2.5 Lowell 2006

 

 

I'm convinced that moving Youkilis to third fulltime shortened his career by at least 2 years. He was a gold glove 1B who could back up 3B at a good level, but he had injury problems throughout his career, asking him to take on a more athletic position fulltime when he was on the wrong side of age 30 was a mistake.

 

I mean the guy had never played fulltime 3B in his MLB career and we asked him to start when he was 33? How was that not gonna backfire?

[S5Dewey]

It wasn't a good example of the point AND was making. But Bellhorn's point about not being able to find bad stats about Trout was spot on. I guess you did inadvertently prove that...

 

Go sober up.

[S5Dewey]

Kimmi wake and bake is simply sparking up some marijuana early in the day.

 

Not everyone who does such is a stoner, though.

 

Sox was implying failed thought was the result of wake and bake.

 

I met a guy through the old BDN site who's a "Roadie". He puts up and tears down stages for entertainers. He was once tearing down a stage after a Willie Nelson concert, saw Willie, and asked if he'd be willing to autograph a guitar for him. Wiliie agreed, and told my friend to drop by Willie's trailer when the roadie crew got done.

 

He was met at the trailer door by a member of Willie's crew who invited him inside, only to see Willie rolling "a fat one". Willie autographed the guitar and they passed the joint back and forth a couple of times before my friend left. He's regretfully told me that "I'll never smoke weed with Willie again".

[Slasher9]

Third base has sucked for the Sox since Mike Lowell retired.

 

My point is I always see things like "Bogaerts doesn't hit enough to play thIrd" or "Swihart dOesn't hit enough for a left fIelder" and that's a pretty weak way to pick a position. Base position on defensive ability, and offense just needs to surpass defense....

you are missing the original point though to prove a different point. moving X-bo to 3b means we now need to get a SS for the next handful of years. let me know the thumping ss that is available right now for the next 4 years? we need to have power from 1 of those 2 positions. generally it is much easier to find a power hitting corner infielder than middle infielder. Xander hits like a middle infielder, and plays adequate middle infielder defense and has improved as he grows up. it wasn't a blanket statement that xander cant play 3b defensively. i am on record in this very thread stating that i find it unfair that posters use 2014 3b stats to say he cant play 3b.

so, let me know the power hitting SS that you see us obtaining as we move Xander to 3b?

[Slasher9]

It wasn't a good example of the point AND was making. But Bellhorn's point about not being able to find bad stats about Trout was spot on. I guess you did inadvertently prove that...

 

Mike Trout batting 9th:

.143 / .179 / .404

 

Mike Trout batting 8th:

.200 / .260 / .704

 

Mike Trout 0-2 count:

.210 / .333 / .549

 

Mike Trout 1-2 count:

.196 / .331 / .539

 

Pitcher Ahead:

.252 / .432 / .696

 

Man on 3rd:

.231 / .323 / .706

 

Man on 3rd 0 out:

000. / .429 / .000

 

Vs Philadelphia Phillies:

.118 / .235 / .402

 

Vs Pirates:

.160 / .160 / .410

[Emp9]

Maaan, Trout sucks!!!

 

lol

[Slasher9]

Maaan, Trout sucks!!!

 

lol

 

lol. but i think the point is made about statistics and the story you can "spin".

btw - never ever ever steal 3rd base when trout is up! better off staying on second!!!!

[moonslav59]

I'm convinced that moving Youkilis to third fulltime shortened his career by at least 2 years. He was a gold glove 1B who could back up 3B at a good level, but he had injury problems throughout his career, asking him to take on a more athletic position fulltime when he was on the wrong side of age 30 was a mistake.

 

I mean the guy had never played fulltime 3B in his MLB career and we asked him to start when he was 33? How was that not gonna backfire?

 

I made the same point back then. Youk was a plus plus 1Bman defensively and had already declined on defense at 3B to the point he was a negative.

[moonslav59]

I met a guy through the old BDN site who's a "Roadie". He puts up and tears down stages for entertainers. He was once tearing down a stage after a Willie Nelson concert, saw Willie, and asked if he'd be willing to autograph a guitar for him. Wiliie agreed, and told my friend to drop by Willie's trailer when the roadie crew got done.

 

He was met at the trailer door by a member of Willie's crew who invited him inside, only to see Willie rolling "a fat one". Willie autographed the guitar and they passed the joint back and forth a couple of times before my friend left. He's regretfully told me that "I'll never smoke weed with Willie again".

 

Notice how he didn't say, "I'll never smoke weed again."

[moonslav59]

you are missing the original point though to prove a different point. moving X-bo to 3b means we now need to get a SS for the next handful of years. let me know the thumping ss that is available right now for the next 4 years? we need to have power from 1 of those 2 positions. generally it is much easier to find a power hitting corner infielder than middle infielder. Xander hits like a middle infielder, and plays adequate middle infielder defense and has improved as he grows up. it wasn't a blanket statement that xander cant play 3b defensively. i am on record in this very thread stating that i find it unfair that posters use 2014 3b stats to say he cant play 3b.

so, let me know the power hitting SS that you see us obtaining as we move Xander to 3b?

 

I think the point was that if we could acquires a great fielding SS with a significantly better bat than we currently have at 3B for cheaper than it would take to get a 3Bman, we should consider it. The new SS does not have to be equal, better than or even close to Bogey to make the deal a plus move.

 

Again, I am NOT for moving Bogey to 3B mid season.

 

Find a decent 3Bman that won't cost us a top 3 prospect or just take the plunge on Devers. One of the other needs to be done, perhaps before the deadline.

[Dojji]

Sinde promoting Devers is a large and probably unnecessary risk you are asking us to pick up a veteran.

 

If we're doing that I know exactly who I want the Red Sox to acquire.

 

I want Mike Moustakas. The OBP is low but he ticks every other box you'd want, power hitter, good defender, World Series champion. The Royals are not contending, he's a UFA after this year, the Royals are unlikely to break the bank for him as he has a prospect behind him. The stars are lined up. Get 'er done DD.

[mvp 78]

Sinde promoting Devers is a large and probably unnecessary risk you are asking us to pick up a veteran.

 

If we're doing that I know exactly who I want the Red Sox to acquire.

 

I want Mike Moustakas. The OBP is low but he ticks every other box you'd want, power hitter, good defender, World Series champion. The Royals are not contending, he's a UFA after this year, the Royals are unlikely to break the bank for him as he has a prospect behind him. The stars are lined up. Get 'er done DD.

 

KC is only 2.5 games back. They are completely in contention and Duffy will be back around the AS Game. It'd be dumb for them to give up on the season already.

[Dojji]

Yeah but we're talking about a .500 team, 1 month from now .500 won't be close to wild card contention. Yeah they won't do the trade now but at the deadline I put it at the lowest at 50/50 that the Royals will want to reposition and everyone older than Salvy and Hosmer will be on the table.

 

(believe me if there was any hope of getting Salvador Perez to the red Sox I'd be all over it before the Royals sobered up... but that *is* a pipe dream. Mike Moustakas might not be. Especially if we were willing to pony up to the tone of Sam Travis for the privilege)

[mvp 78]

Yeah but we're talking about a .500 team, 1 month from now .500 won't be close to wild card contention. Yeah they won't do the trade now but at the deadline I put it at the lowest at 50/50 that the Royals will want to reposition and everyone older than Salvy and Hosmer will be on the table.

 

(believe me if there was any hope of getting Salvador Perez to the red Sox I'd be all over it before the Royals sobered up... but that *is* a pipe dream. Mike Moustakas might not be. Especially if we were willing to pony up to the tone of Sam Travis for the privilege)

 

Sam Travis for 3 months of Moustakas? Nah. I'm good. If they really want him, they should just wait until the offseason and grab him in FA.

[Dojji]

So let me get this straight. You want a good 3B to make a playoff pus hnow, but have no intention to pay for one. DD is just supposed to conjure one out of his hat is that it?

[mvp 78]

So let me get this straight. You want a good 3B to make a playoff pus hnow, but have no intention to pay for one. DD is just supposed to conjure one out of his hat is that it?

 

Yes, I want Devers promoted now. If they want to bring someone else in for a few months, they should find a cheap rental, not someone who would cost Sam Travis. Travis could be our starting 1B for years to come. I don't see a reason to move him for a rental.

 

I don't believe this team is good enough to win a WS this year, so there's no reason for me to move big time prospects.

[Hugh2]

Yes, I want Devers promoted now. If they want to bring someone else in for a few months, they should find a cheap rental, not someone who would cost Sam Travis. Travis could be our starting 1B for years to come. I don't see a reason to move him for a rental.

 

I don't believe this team is good enough to win a WS this year, so there's no reason for me to move big time prospects.

 

If this team isn't good enough to win the WS this year then I'm even more PO'd that we depleted almost our entire farm system for 2-3 years.

[Emp9]

So let me get this straight. You want a good 3B to make a playoff pus hnow, but have no intention to pay for one. DD is just supposed to conjure one out of his hat is that it?

 

I'd be nice

[mvp 78]

If this team isn't good enough to win the WS this year then I'm even more PO'd that we depleted almost our entire farm system for 2-3 years.

 

If Price and ERod didn't have injury concerns, I'd be all in. I don't think they thought Price was going to out for half the season.

 

Also, whenever a Chris Sale is on the market, you trade for him no matter what.

[Dojji]

Yes, I want Devers promoted now. If they want to bring someone else in for a few months, they should find a cheap rental, not someone who would cost Sam Travis. Travis could be our starting 1B for years to come. I don't see a reason to move him for a rental.

 

I don't believe this team is good enough to win a WS this year, so there's no reason for me to move big time prospects.

 

With a competent 3B there's no reason this team can't be competitive. We're pot committed to trying to build a playoff team this year. And Moustakas is both young and skilled enough to be worth re-signing if possible.

[Behindenemylines]

A good glove and a below average bat...

 

He hits at all he will get a lot of playing time at 3B.

Edited June 27, 2017 by Behindenemylines
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[Spudboy]

Yes, I want Devers promoted now. If they want to bring someone else in for a few months, they should find a cheap rental, not someone who would cost Sam Travis. Travis could be our starting 1B for years to come. I don't see a reason to move him for a rental.

 

I don't believe this team is good enough to win a WS this year, so there's no reason for me to move big time prospects.

 

This.

 

I still say use what they got for now. Can't and don't need All Stars at 8 positions. Sox won it all with at least one black hole in the lineup in 2004.

 

The rest of the team needs to cowboy up and hit the way they have in the past.

[Hugh2]

If Price and ERod didn't have injury concerns, I'd be all in. I don't think they thought Price was going to out for half the season.

 

Also, whenever a Chris Sale is on the market, you trade for him no matter what.

 

Eh, I disagree. You don't trade for Chris Sale no questions asked. A last place team with Chris Sale is still a last place team. I'm not knocking the trade as we were far from a last place team last year.

[Kimmi]

If this team isn't good enough to win the WS this year then I'm even more PO'd that we depleted almost our entire farm system for 2-3 years.

 

Yeah, no kidding. This offseason was the 'win at any cost' offseason.

 

And this is why it wouldn't surprise me if Dombrowski went all in to get us a 3B.

[Kimmi]

This.

 

I still say use what they got for now. Can't and don't need All Stars at 8 positions. Sox won it all with at least one black hole in the lineup in 2004.

 

The rest of the team needs to cowboy up and hit the way they have in the past.

 

I don't think Dombrowski should overpay for Moustakas either, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

 

Either way, it's on the rest of the team to step it up.

[moonslav59]

Also, whenever a Chris Sale is on the market, you trade for him no matter what.

 

I agree 1000%.

 

How many times is a guy like this available? We're talking about...

 

Chris

 

Freakin'

 

Sale !

[mvp 78]

Yeah, no kidding. This offseason was the 'win at any cost' offseason.

 

And this is why it wouldn't surprise me if Dombrowski went all in to get us a 3B.

 

If it was "at any cpst" they'd have spent more at 1b.

[Dojji]

I agree 1000%.

 

How many times is a guy like this available? We're talking about...

 

Chris

 

Freakin'

 

Sale !

As an aside Moonslav, taking one thing and another I suppose you're probably glad we didn't follow your idea and go after Jose Quintana instead.

[User Name]

Does Quintana regress without the pressure of constant trade speculation?