Lin

[Dalas21000]

Time to see what this Lin guy has?

[notin]

A good glove and a below average bat...

[Jack Flap]

A good glove and a below average bat...

 

/thread

[moonslav59]

Tzu-Wei Lin has been in the Sox organization for 6 years. He's 23. Here's what soxprospects has to say about him:

 

Defensive-minded shortstop with an excellent glove, great range, and a strong arm. Small frame with limited projection. Quick-twitch athlete. Plus-to-better speed with fringe-average contact and poor present power. Slap hitter. Sound fundamentals with an advanced approach for his age, but has room to improve pitch recognition. Quick out of the box. Works counts well. Swing is short and direct to the ball. Potential solid-average-to-plus hit tool, but power potential is very limited. Received largest bonus ever for an amateur position player from Taiwan. Pursued by Yankees in earlier years. Ceiling of a starting shortop, but has long-odds to reach that ceiling. Profiles better as defensive backup. Began seeing time at second base, third base, and even center field in 2016 as he began to be developed as for a possible utility role in the majors, but is still primarily a shortstop. Participated in 2012, 2013, and 2016 Fall Instructional League.

[S5Dewey]

Tzu-Wei Lin has been in the Sox organization for 6 years. He's 23. Here's what soxprospects has to say about him:

 

[i]Defensive-minded shortstop with an excellent glove, great range, and a strong arm. Small frame with limited projection. Quick-twitch athlete. Plus-to-better speed with fringe-average contact and poor present power. Slap hitter. Sound fundamentals with an advanced approach for his age, but has room to improve pitch recognition. Quick out of the box. Works counts well. Swing is short and direct to the ball. Potential solid-average-to-plus hit tool, but power potential is very limited. Received largest bonus ever for an amateur position player from Taiwan. Pursued by Yankees in earlier years. Ceiling of a starting shortop, but has long-odds to reach that ceiling. Profiles better as defensive backup. Began seeing time at second base, third base, and even center field in 2016 as he began to be developed as for a possible utility role in the majors, but is still primarily a shortstop. Participated in 2012, 2013, and 2016 Fall Instructional League.[/i]

 

Here's an idea that will probably get dumped on roundly, but WTH! LOL

 

Isn't this just what this team needs now to solidify the infield? To me Bogarts looks more like a 3B, with solid defense and a good OPS. I'm not lobbying for Lin to be promoted, but wouldn't a Lin-like player improve this team if XBo were moved to 3B? Especially if it could be done cheaply?

[SoxnCycles]

Here's an idea that will probably get dumped on roundly, but WTH! LOL

 

Isn't this just what this team needs now to solidify the infield? To me Bogarts looks more like a 3B, with solid defense and a good OPS. I'm not lobbying for Lin to be promoted, but wouldn't a Lin-like player improve this team if XBo were moved to 3B? Especially if it could be done cheaply?

 

Someone did a "Wake & Bake" this morning...

 

The chances that Lin is better than Bogearts at SS are slim to none.

[a700hitter]

Someone did a "Wake & Bake" this morning...

 

The chances that Lin is better than Bogearts at SS are slim to none.

The notion of installing a top defensive SS while moving XB might be the right move that no one is discussing. It might also be the long term solution. It would solidify the defense on the left side of the infield. XB is adequate at SS, but he is not going to make anyone forget Ozzie Smith. The options at 3B are not great or cheap. Maybe he should start looking at SS.

[moonslav59]

Here's an idea that will probably get dumped on roundly, but WTH! LOL

 

Isn't this just what this team needs now to solidify the infield? To me Bogarts looks more like a 3B, with solid defense and a good OPS. I'm not lobbying for Lin to be promoted, but wouldn't a Lin-like player improve this team if XBo were moved to 3B? Especially if it could be done cheaply?

 

It would improve the defense, but Lin is likely going to be a .600-.650 hitter. I'm fine with the idea of moving Bogey to 3B, but there's nobody in our system worthy of forcing the move.

 

Plus, moving Bogey to 3B might mean there's a much greater chance he bolts when he hits free agency and goes somewhere he can play SS.

[Emp9]

Here's an idea that will probably get dumped on roundly, but WTH! LOL

 

Isn't this just what this team needs now to solidify the infield? To me Bogarts looks more like a 3B, with solid defense and a good OPS. I'm not lobbying for Lin to be promoted, but wouldn't a Lin-like player improve this team if XBo were moved to 3B? Especially if it could be done cheaply?

 

I question XB's arm for 3B.

[moonslav59]

I question XB's arm for 3B.

 

Compare it to our other 3Bmen.

[Kimmi]

Here's an idea that will probably get dumped on roundly, but WTH! LOL

 

Isn't this just what this team needs now to solidify the infield? To me Bogarts looks more like a 3B, with solid defense and a good OPS. I'm not lobbying for Lin to be promoted, but wouldn't a Lin-like player improve this team if XBo were moved to 3B? Especially if it could be done cheaply?

 

The idea of moving Xander to 3B and acquiring a shortstop instead of a 3B could have some merit, but I think it creates more problems than it solves.

 

1. Xander was not good defensively at 3B, so I don't know how the move would be solidifying the infield anymore than what Marrero is doing at 3B.

 

2. We risk losing some of Xander's offense by moving him to 3B. He is on record as saying that the move to 3B when Drew was signed to play shortstop had a negative impact on him. From what I can tell, Xander does not want to be moved off of shortstop.

 

3. The idea sounds like we would be creating one or more holes to fill another. At best, I see it as a 0 net gain move.

[Kimmi]

Someone did a "Wake & Bake" this morning...

 

The chances that Lin is better than Bogearts at SS are slim to none.

 

I'm sure this would be very funny if I knew what a "Wake and Bake" was.

 

I can't see the Bogaerts/Lin combo being any better than the Marrero/Bogaerts combo.

[Kimmi]

It would improve the defense, but Lin is likely going to be a .600-.650 hitter. I'm fine with the idea of moving Bogey to 3B, but there's nobody in our system worthy of forcing the move.

 

Plus, moving Bogey to 3B might mean there's a much greater chance he bolts when he hits free agency and goes somewhere he can play SS.

 

It would improve the shortstop defense, but it would be a step back in the 3B defense over Marrero.

[SoxnCycles]

I'm sure this would be very funny if I knew what a "Wake and Bake" was.

 

I can't see the Bogaerts/Lin combo being any better than the Marrero/Bogaerts combo.

 

Trust me, it's hilarious.

[Emp9]

Compare it to our other 3Bmen.

 

fair point

[SoxnCycles]

The idea of moving Xander to 3B and acquiring a shortstop instead of a 3B could have some merit, but I think it creates more problems than it solves.

 

1. Xander was not good defensively at 3B, so I don't know how the move would be solidifying the infield anymore than what Marrero is doing at 3B.

 

2. We risk losing some of Xander's offense by moving him to 3B. He is on record as saying that the move to 3B when Drew was signed to play shortstop had a negative impact on him. From what I can tell, Xander does not want to be moved off of shortstop.

 

3. The idea sounds like we would be creating one or more holes to fill another. At best, I see it as a 0 net gain move.

 

These reasons, along with Moon's idea that it may cause Xander to sign elsewhere, when the time comes, makes it a bad idea.

[Emp9]

These reasons, along with Moon's idea that it may cause Xander to sign elsewhere, when the time comes, makes it a bad idea.

 

I also question if the Sox will be able to sign XB long term, irregardless of any position change.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm sure this would be very funny if I knew what a "Wake and Bake" was.

 

I believe cannabis is involved.

[Spudboy]

Someone did a "Wake & Bake" this morning...

 

The chances that Lin is better than Bogearts at SS are slim to none.

 

What's wrong with wake and bake?

 

Beats the s*** out of opiod addiction.

[Spudboy]

Kimmi wake and bake is simply sparking up some marijuana early in the day.

 

Not everyone who does such is a stoner, though.

 

Sox was implying failed thought was the result of wake and bake.

[Hugh2]

Lin is not your answer in the infield. I see him more of an up/down guy riding the shuttle from Pawtucket to Boston......and that's the best projection he's had since he was signed.

[notin]

Lin is basically the lesser version of Marrero. I'd just assume continue with Marrero and Bogaerts.

 

Bogaerts to 3b would make more sense if he was comfortable at all playing the position, but he isn't. If the Sox thought he could handle the position, the time to move him there was 2013, when Middlebrooks was proving his all around incompetence at the position. ..

[moonslav59]

It would improve the shortstop defense, but it would be a step back in the 3B defense over Marrero.

 

Marrero is not going to be our 3Bman the rest of the year. Not even close.

[Hugh2]

I'm not sure if Lin can hit worse than Marrero. At the very least he's Marrero at the plate with a little bit more speed. Still, the Sox need a more viable solution at 3B.

[S5Dewey]

Someone did a "Wake & Bake" this morning...

 

The chances that Lin is better than Bogearts at SS are slim to none.

 

I certainly agree with that! However, moving XBo to 3B makes 3B A LOT stronger on both sides of the ball and could make the defense better at SS. XBo's bat remains in the lineup and we're stronger defensively at both 3B & SS, while giving up prowess only at the offensive side of SS. That's a net gain.

[moonslav59]

I'm not sure if Lin can hit worse than Marrero. At the very least he's Marrero at the plate with a little bit more speed. Still, the Sox need a more viable solution at 3B.

 

Yes, there's no way we finish the season and enter the playoffs with Marrero and/or Lin playing 3B FT. I doubt even adding Rutledge and/or Pablo to the mix is going to be what we end up with at 3B this year.

 

My guess is, we end up with Devers or make a trade.

[S5Dewey]

And like I said, I'm not lobbying for Lin to be moved up. I'm just saying that everything we've tried hasn't worked so maybe we should be thinking about something different.

[moonslav59]

And like I said, I'm not lobbying for Lin to be moved up. I'm just saying that everything we've tried hasn't worked so maybe we should be thinking about something different.

 

Just how far down on the 3B organizational depth chart will we go?

 

I thought Marrero might be DFA'd early in the season, and now, he has moe innings at 3B than anybody else.

 

I'm kind of surprised we haven't tried Dominguez. Isn't our current situation the reason we signed him in the first place?

 

Pablo

Hernandez

Rutledge

Holt

Marrero

Lin

 

We even used Selsky and Vaz at 3B.

 

Edited June 25, 2017 by moonslav59

[Jasonbay44]

I don't like moving Xander to 3B for Lin, because it'll piss off Bogaerts, and because I don't think Lin is realistically an answer for the MLB team. He will likely just be another Deven Marrero (good glove, putrid bat). 3B will be fine if were patient and just let Devers develop, he should be in MLB by the end of this year/start of next year.

 

The odds of Lin improving this team to are slim to none, especially if it make Xander change positions and makes him unhappy.

[a700hitter]

I don't like moving Xander to 3B for Lin, because it'll piss off Bogaerts, and because I don't think Lin is realistically an answer for the MLB team. He will likely just be another Deven Marrero (good glove, putrid bat). 3B will be fine if were patient and just let Devers develop, he should be in MLB by the end of this year/start of next year.

 

The odds of Lin improving this team to are slim to none, especially if it make Xander change positions and makes him unhappy.

I really don't think anyone proposed moving XB to 3B for Lin. Under discussion is whether we look for a SS instead of a 3B going forward.