Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[cp176]

Would that be such a bad thing?

 

If he caught them, what are the odds right now that he could hit them? lol - I think that he will break out soon.

[moonslav59]

JBJ was a disappointment again last night.

I hope the kis is putting in some extra batting practice, because he looks lost right now.

 

He did get a nice hit but not when men were on base.

[Emp9]

I’m starting to take it as a good thing that the only player getting continuously ragged-on in our lineup is JBJ. He’s our psyop decoy piñata.

[moonslav59]

I’m starting to take it as a good thing that the only player getting continuously ragged-on in our lineup is JBJ. He’s our psyop decoy piñata.

 

If we ever do decide to play JMart in the OF a lot, we may consider a Ben-JBJ platoon.

 

vs RHPs

.864 Beni (.839 career)

.414 JBJ (.729 career)

 

vs LHPs

.533 JBJ (.702 career)

.273 Beni (.566 career)

 

I love Beni, and he's still young. I'm not for benching him vs LHPs right now, but if people are talking about benching JBJ because of his poor offense, Beni has been worse vs lefties by a long shot.

 

 

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[Slasher9]

9-1 and folk want people benched/platooned and complaining about our #9 hitter that just so happens to play lockdown defense up the middle.

i feel like i'm talking to this guy...

[moonslav59]

9-1 and folk want people benched/platooned and complaining about our #9 hitter that just so happens to play lockdown defense up the middle.

i feel like i'm talking to this guy...

[ATTACH=CONFIG]596[/ATTACH]

 

I said, I'm not for benching Beni or JBJ.

[Bellhorn04]

I said, I'm not for benching Beni or JBJ.

 

Well, not exactly, but you've been saying Beni has to improve against lefties or you would platoon him...

[moonslav59]

Well, not exactly, but you've been saying Beni has to improve against lefties or you would platoon him...

 

I'd think about it.

 

If and when Pedey returns, we'll need to find PAs for Nunez. If Beni is still not hitting lefties, I MAY want Nunez to play LF in some of those games.

 

(Also, If JBJ is still doing horribly on offense, I might try to get Nunez into the OF vs a few RHPs when JBJ sits a small percent of games vs RHPs more than his normal resting days.)

 

I do not want JMart in the OF, except for maybe 2 out of 3 games when in NL parks only, as we have no DH.

 

Other than that, I'm not pushing for any changes right now. (I might choose Lin over Holt more.)

 

 

Would you keep playing Beni forever vs LHPs, if he remains at .566 (career) or .273 (2018)?

 

He's no JBJ on defense, and you can "hide" poor defense in Fenway's LF to some extent. (Nunez has a small sample size, but his OF defensive metrics look good.)

Edited April 11, 2018 by moonslav59

[SoxHop]

9-1 and folk want people benched/platooned and complaining about our #9 hitter that just so happens to play lockdown defense up the middle.

i feel like i'm talking to this guy...

[ATTACH=CONFIG]596[/ATTACH]

 

I can see it now.

 

"Man, we just got swept again in the first round of the playoffs. There's no way that could have happened, we were 9 and 1 to begin the season."

[notin]

While his career numbers are certainly not enticing, Benintendi's OPS vs LHP this year is based on 11 plate appearances (8 ABs). I'd be very hesitant to make any judgments on that sample or take away his opportunities to develop that skill...

[OH FOY]

He'll break out of his slump as soon as he hits the ball the other way. Until then he better save a lot of runs. He's a pull and sit player. Pull the ball, and sit back down.

Never understood his approach, especially for Fenway.

Edited April 11, 2018 by OH FOY!

[notin]

I can see it now.

 

"Man, we just got swept again in the first round of the playoffs. There's no way that could have happened, we were 9 and 1 to begin the season."

 

 

This is a pitching/defense team. If they get swept in the playoffs again, the sole reason is unlikely to be due to a poor offensive showing from their GG-caliber defender who bats ninth..

[SoxHop]

This is a pitching/defense team. If they get swept in the playoffs again, the sole reason is unlikely to be due to a poor offensive showing from their GG-caliber defender who bats ninth..

 

yea, I get it. Hits don't matter.

[FredLynn]

This is a pitching/defense team. If they get swept in the playoffs again, the sole reason is unlikely to be due to a poor offensive showing from their GG-caliber defender who bats ninth..

 

In fact, its unlikely to be any one reason alone at all. For me the bottom line is that JBJ has to meet some sort of floor below which no amount of defense will justify his insipid presence in the lineup. His current line of .435/24 for OPS and OPS+ is well below what is acceptable. In the unlikely event that in June his numbers are like that I would be looking for an alternative, especially if the rest of the team is struggling offensively like last year. I think that if the rest of the team is doing OK I can live with an OPS of .680 or so. Much below that=REPLACEMENT!

[Slasher9]

I can see it now.

 

"Man, we just got swept again in the first round of the playoffs. There's no way that could have happened, we were 9 and 1 to begin the season."

 

i'm not counting on my #9 hitter to win playoff games with his bat. parades for the most part are built on pitching and defense and the occasional big papi dinger. i'm not asking my #9 hitter to be big papi. i'm asking him to prevent runs.

[notin]

In fact, its unlikely to be any one reason alone at all. For me the bottom line is that JBJ has to meet some sort of floor below which no amount of defense will justify his insipid presence in the lineup. His current line of .435/24 for OPS and OPS+ is well below what is acceptable. In the unlikely event that in June his numbers are like that I would be looking for an alternative, especially if the rest of the team is struggling offensively like last year. I think that if the rest of the team is doing OK I can live with an OPS of .680 or so. Much below that=REPLACEMENT!

 

After a week and a half, 18 players in MLB with qualified plate appearances have a lower OPS than Bradley, including Anthony Rizzo, Francisco Linor, Evan Longoria, and Gary Sanchez. I think we can agree this is nothing more than a slow start and all of these players will get their hitting up to or close to their expected level....

[notin]

yea, I get it. Hits don't matter.

 

It is certainly possible for a team to win a post-season series without every player hitting. ...

[moonslav59]

While his career numbers are certainly not enticing, Benintendi's OPS vs LHP this year is based on 11 plate appearances (8 ABs). I'd be very hesitant to make any judgments on that sample or take away his opportunities to develop that skill...

 

175 career PAs is pretty small, too. That's one reason I said give it some time before acting on it.

 

(Note: in 2016 at AA, he was .900 vs LHPs and .865 vs RHPs, so maybe the worry is unfounded.)

[moonslav59]

In fact, its unlikely to be any one reason alone at all. For me the bottom line is that JBJ has to meet some sort of floor below which no amount of defense will justify his insipid presence in the lineup. His current line of .435/24 for OPS and OPS+ is well below what is acceptable. In the unlikely event that in June his numbers are like that I would be looking for an alternative, especially if the rest of the team is struggling offensively like last year. I think that if the rest of the team is doing OK I can live with an OPS of .680 or so. Much below that=REPLACEMENT!

 

So, if the rest of the team is struggling offensively, too, your plan is to dump the no hit- great glove guy, so we can keep a no hit- bad glove player?

[SoxHop]

So, if the rest of the team is struggling offensively, too, your plan is to dump the no hit- great glove guy, so we can keep a no hit- bad glove player?

 

Seriously?

[oldtimer]

So, if the rest of the team is struggling offensively, too, your plan is to dump the no hit- great glove guy, so we can keep a no hit- bad glove player?

 

Remember, JBJ struggled last year and in Sept he had a BA under 200. I believe it is up to the player to make the adjustments and if he is unable to do so, you have to look at alternatives. In his case he has shown flashes of ability at the plate and is excellent in the field, so he gets more leeway than most, but eventually he has to perform or be replaced. I hope for the former of these choices but it is up to JBJ.

[cp176]

This is a pitching/defense team. If they get swept in the playoffs again, the sole reason is unlikely to be due to a poor offensive showing from their GG-caliber defender who bats ninth..

 

JBJ is for sure a defense first guy but as for the rest of the current bunch although I am sure that we all agree that they have been making plays, maybe I'm alone here but everytime a ball is hit on the infield grass I get a little nervous.

[moonslav59]

Seriously?

 

Ask Fred

[cp176]

9-1 and folk want people benched/platooned and complaining about our #9 hitter that just so happens to play lockdown defense up the middle.

i feel like i'm talking to this guy...

[ATTACH=CONFIG]596[/ATTACH]

 

Slasher - really who are all of these people who want to see guys in our current lineup benched or platooned? Do you mean all of these people as in Moon for the platoon (haven't heard that from anyone else with respect to Benintendi) and wasn't there one other guy here who thinks that we should bring somebody up from Salem to play for JBJ.lol Here's the deal - Jbj is currently the very best option to play centerfield. No one in their right mind disagrees with that. Benintendi is a hitter and there is no way Cora is going to sit him versus anybody. Everybody seems pretty happy to me! But I don't get out much. Maybe there are still a few people here who are pissed that we aren't 10 and 0.

[moonslav59]

Remember, JBJ struggled last year and in Sept he had a BA under 200. I believe it is up to the player to make the adjustments and if he is unable to do so, you have to look at alternatives. In his case he has shown flashes of ability at the plate and is excellent in the field, so he gets more leeway than most, but eventually he has to perform or be replaced. I hope for the former of these choices but it is up to JBJ.

 

Sept 2017 plus April 2018 is still a small sample size.

 

Since JBj has had slumps this long before, I'm not worried all that much.

[Slasher9]

Slasher - really who are all of these people who want to see guys in our current lineup benched or platooned? Do you mean all of these people as in Moon for the platoon (haven't heard that from anyone else with respect to Benintendi) and wasn't there one other guy here who thinks that we should bring somebody up from Salem to play for JBJ.lol Here's the deal - Jbj is currently the very best option to play centerfield. No one in their right mind disagrees with that. Benintendi is a hitter and there is no way Cora is going to sit him versus anybody. Everybody seems pretty happy to me! But I don't get out much. Maybe there are still a few people here who are pissed that we aren't 10 and 0.

this is post # 655 on a thread titled "should jackie bradley Jr be traded?".

there is post after post complaining about his hitting. he is literally a plus WAR player if he doesnt get another basehit the rest of the season. people should be concerned that our #4 hitter with the big contract has warning track power. not worried about whether or not our #9 hitter who happens to be a defensive maestro gets a basehit in a 14-1 W.....

[mvp 78]

this is post # 655 on a thread titled "should jackie bradley Jr be traded?".

there is post after post complaining about his hitting. he is literally a plus WAR player if he doesnt get another basehit the rest of the season. people should be concerned that our #4 hitter with the big contract has warning track power. not worried about whether or not our #9 hitter who happens to be a defensive maestro gets a basehit in a 14-1 W.....

 

This isn't true. If you plug in his current numbers and prorate it for the remainder of the season, he ends up being a -1.5 WAR player including his defense. As long as his OPS is above .550, he's at least replacement level. Below that, he's not a AAAA guy. His bare minimum should be .650 to be a starter and bat 9th.

 

His offense isn't as bad as it looks right now, but his defense isn't the greatest the league has ever seen.

[cp176]

this is post # 655 on a thread titled "should jackie bradley Jr be traded?".

there is post after post complaining about his hitting. he is literally a plus WAR player if he doesnt get another basehit the rest of the season. people should be concerned that our #4 hitter with the big contract has warning track power. not worried about whether or not our #9 hitter who happens to be a defensive maestro gets a basehit in a 14-1 W.....

 

I don't disagree with you really at all but I have complained about his streaky hitting for years now and I know that I am not alone but still anybody who knows anything knows that he is our best option in centerfield. No one is saying anything different at all. Not sure how you are bringing in JD's hitting or lack thereof into this discussion but I'm thinking that most people are smart enough to know that yup he is going to hit. Bradley on the other hand - I hope so - but really who the f*** knows with him. Doesn't mean we don't want him out there.

Complaining about a guys hitting who is as streaky as Jackie is I think can be expected.

[FredLynn]

So, if the rest of the team is struggling offensively, too, your plan is to dump the no hit- great glove guy, so we can keep a no hit- bad glove player?

 

My plan would be to see where we can improve our offensive performance. If, as expected, Bradley is one of the worst hitting guys in the lineup I would be looking for an OF who can improve the chances of winning through offensive contribution while still playing acceptable defense.

How many "black holes" are acceptable in the lineup?

[Bellhorn04]

There are actually some hopeful things about JBJ's numbers. One is that he's only struck out 4 times in 8 games. Another is that he has a crazy-low BABip of .154.