Farrell

[mvp 78]

I really want JF gone, but I was hoping it wouldn't take an implosion to make it happen.

 

This sucks!

 

It's the only way for him to be pushed out.

 

Lovullo looks better and better every day.

[Slasher9]

Fire Farrell

[Maxbialystock]

Fire Farrell

 

Rarely done in September. Were I DD or John Henry, I would rationalize that a new manager--probably the bench coach--would be unlikely to right the ship. The only way to right this ship is for guys who hit last year to start hitting this year and it's September for crying out loud. And what is the new manager going to do about the now struggling rotation? Of the 4 games against the Yankees and 1 last night against the Jays, only Fister pitched well--none of Sale, ERod, Pom, and Porcello had a quality start.

 

That said, I think it now unlikely Farrell will be back next year.

[mvp 78]

Rarely done in September. Were I DD or John Henry, I would rationalize that a new manager--probably the bench coach--would be unlikely to right the ship. The only way to right this ship is for guys who hit last year to start hitting this year and it's September for crying out loud. And what is the new manager going to do about the now struggling rotation? Of the 4 games against the Yankees and 1 last night against the Jays, only Fister pitched well--none of Sale, ERod, Pom, and Porcello had a quality start.

 

That said, I think it now unlikely Farrell will be back next year.

 

Just delaying the inevitable. Give Disarcina a chance to win the job!

[Slasher9]

Rarely done in September. Were I DD or John Henry, I would rationalize that a new manager--probably the bench coach--would be unlikely to right the ship. The only way to right this ship is for guys who hit last year to start hitting this year and it's September for crying out loud. And what is the new manager going to do about the now struggling rotation? Of the 4 games against the Yankees and 1 last night against the Jays, only Fister pitched well--none of Sale, ERod, Pom, and Porcello had a quality start.

 

That said, I think it now unlikely Farrell will be back next year.

well, after being one of the few that defended JF with you for the past few years....i was finally done with him a month or two ago. sometimes a shakeup like firing a manager can motivate the players. if we are going to get rid of him anyways, why not do it now and see if it something something.....

Fire Farrell

[Bellhorn04]

If we blow the division he's toast.

 

If he Grady's us out of the playoffs he's toast.

[mvp 78]

If we blow the division he's toast.

 

If he Grady's us out of the playoffs he's toast.

 

If they play as poorly as they did last ALDS, he's toast.

[notin]

If they play as poorly as they did last ALDS, he's toast.

 

I doubt they fire the manager if they win back-to-back AL East pennants, regardless of post-season performance. If he managed to keep his job through a GM change while the team was in last place, he's more secure than you realize....

[cp176]

Farrell very well might be in his last season as manager of the Sox. Depends on what happens I guess. If he is fired, it will be primarily because of the players playing the game. I really think that they have been over rated as a group throughout the course of this entire season. DD made a couple of very solid moves to help give us a lift. This isn't about motivating players to play better. They aren't that good. I think that it is pretty impresssive that we are where we are in the standings right now. I hope the smoke and mirror show continues.

[notin]

sometimes a shakeup like firing a manager can motivate the players.ll

 

And sometimes firing the manager can have a VERY negative effect. The 2011 Red Sox dominated the AL East for five months before a horrific collapse. They brought back basically the same team in 2012, but without Francona, and played so poorly through August that they had a late season fire sale on their way to last place...

[Bellhorn04]

I doubt they fire the manager if they win back-to-back AL East pennants, regardless of post-season performance. If he managed to keep his job through a GM change while the team was in last place, he's more secure than you realize....

 

Except the last place finishes may have been blamed on the outgoing GM.

[Bellhorn04]

And sometimes firing the manager can have a VERY negative effect. The 2011 Red Sox dominated the AL East for five months before a horrific collapse. They brought back basically the same team in 2012, but without Francona, and played so poorly through August that they had a late season fire sale on their way to last place...

 

2011 also tells us that Henry isn't a paragon of patience.

[mvp 78]

I doubt they fire the manager if they win back-to-back AL East pennants, regardless of post-season performance. If he managed to keep his job through a GM change while the team was in last place, he's more secure than you realize....

 

If they go 0-3 again in the ALDS this year, he's definitely gone. I'll take a sig bet on that from anyone.

[mvp 78]

And sometimes firing the manager can have a VERY negative effect. The 2011 Red Sox dominated the AL East for five months before a horrific collapse. They brought back basically the same team in 2012, but without Francona, and played so poorly through August that they had a late season fire sale on their way to last place...

 

Ok, so don't hire Valentine again? Find someone who is actually competent and not all about personal branding?

 

I highly doubt Disarcina rubs people the wrong way like Valentine did.

[a700hitter]

Ok, so don't hire Valentine again? Find someone who is actually competent and not all about personal branding?

 

I highly doubt Disarcina rubs people the wrong way like Valentine did.

The missed opportunity was letting Lovullo go. He is doing a great job in Arizona. They just beat up LA pretty badly.

[mvp 78]

The missed opportunity was letting Lovullo go. He is doing a great job in Arizona. They just beat up LA pretty badly.

 

Yup, he's the guy I wanted last year whenever I was questioned about my Fire Farrell stance.

[notin]

Except the last place finishes may have been blamed on the outgoing GM.

 

The former GM that Dombrowski offered a job to?

 

Blame or not, it isn't uncommon for a new GM or manager or whatever to replace underlings with his own people, even in non-baseball jobs. And a last place team was the perfect opportunity to do so.

 

And certainly Dombrowski has shown he has no problem using his former players (Fister, Peralta) when given the chance. So why did he keep Farrell when the team was losing? Only to dump him when the team is winning?

[notin]

Ok, so don't hire Valentine again? Find someone who is actually competent and not all about personal branding?

 

I highly doubt Disarcina rubs people the wrong way like Valentine did.

 

But what is the advantage of DiSarcina over Farrell? Change for the sake of change? When has that EVER been a positive?

[notin]

Yup, he's the guy I wanted last year whenever I was questioned about my Fire Farrell stance.

 

Now if the Sox can find a better manager using whatever their criteria is, that's one thing. But "Hey let's try this guy and hope it works" usually doesn't give the anticipated result...

[a700hitter]

Now if the Sox can find a better manager using whatever their criteria is, that's one thing. But "Hey let's try this guy and hope it works" usually doesn't give the anticipated result...

Farrell is not going to get fired in September. Finding a suitable replacement for next season should not be difficult at all. There are plenty of qualified candidates waiting for an opportunity. And sometimes change for change sake isn't a bad idea when the manager being replaced adds no value.

[mvp 78]

But what is the advantage of DiSarcina over Farrell? Change for the sake of change? When has that EVER been a positive?

 

https://nesn.com/2011/08/morgans-magic-leads-1988-red-sox-to-surprising-playoff-birth/

[Spudboy]

Farrell very well might be in his last season as manager of the Sox. Depends on what happens I guess. If he is fired, it will be primarily because of the players playing the game. I really think that they have been over rated as a group throughout the course of this entire season. DD made a couple of very solid moves to help give us a lift. This isn't about motivating players to play better. They aren't that good. I think that it is pretty impresssive that we are where we are in the standings right now. I hope the smoke and mirror show continues.

 

Yup. You pegged it.

[moonslav59]

Is Farrell any better or worse than he was 2 weeks to 2 months ago?

 

The mood on this board sure has changed in just 2 weeks.

 

[Spudboy]

Is Farrell any better or worse than he was 2 weeks to 2 months ago?

 

The mood on this board sure has changed in just 2 weeks.

 

 

This happens when they are losing. People are looking for a scapegoat.

 

On the whole this team has not performed as well as we had expected.

 

That is mostly on the players if you ask me.

 

I don't see Farrell getting the axe before the post season is over. And maybe not even then.

[Bellhorn04]

Is Farrell any better or worse than he was 2 weeks to 2 months ago?

 

The mood on this board sure has changed in just 2 weeks.

 

 

As you know, there are a number of us who feel the team's record is the bottom line for the manager.

 

Then of course there's that old adage about not being able to fire 25 players.

 

My opinion for some time has been that Farrell's fate should rest on the team's final results this year.

[SoxnCycles]

If they didn't fire Farell when the Sox were a .500 team and in 4th place, back in May, they're not going to fire him now.

I'd be surprised if he's not back next year.

[Bellhorn04]

If they didn't fire Farell when the Sox were a .500 team and in 4th place, back in May, they're not going to fire him now.

I'd be surprised if he's not back next year.

 

I really think it depends on how the rest of the season unfolds.

 

After all, Francona was fired after a 90 win season and a fantastic overall record.

[illinoisredsox]

https://nesn.com/2011/08/morgans-magic-leads-1988-red-sox-to-surprising-playoff-birth/

 

I would say 1988 was hardly change for change sake:

 

1) It was July.

2) With John McNamara at the helm, the Sox had gone from an out away from a World Series title in 1986 to a 78-84 record and a 5th place finish in 1987.

3) They were 43-42 at the All-Star break in 1988, in 4th place and 9 games back.

 

The current situation meets all but 3 of those.

 

Oh, and despite Morgan Magic getting them the division title, they got swept by the A's in the ALCS.

[illinoisredsox]

Is Farrell any better or worse than he was 2 weeks to 2 months ago?

 

The mood on this board sure has changed in just 2 weeks.

 

 

2 weeks? Try 4 days.

[illinoisredsox]

I really think it depends on how the rest of the season unfolds.

 

After all, Francona was fired after a 90 win season and a fantastic overall record.

 

Exactly. And to emphaasize, after, not in the middle of that September collapse.