A Realistic View at 2017 Part II

[moonslav59]

Does Marrero have remaining options?

 

Options are by years, so he can be called up several more times this year.

 

soxprospects has him with 1 more option year remaining after 2017.

[Spudboy]

Yes, per Sox Prospects.

 

 

Garcia.

[moonslav59]

Options remaining:

 

3

Bogey, Young, Beni, Moreland, Taylot, Velazquez, Scott, Martin, Ysla, Sale, Travis, Maddox, Fister, Lin

2

Workman, Betts, ERod, Barnes, Ross, Owens, Kimbrel, Price, Smith, Selsky

1

Holt, Kelly, JBJ, Swihart, Marrero, N Ramirez, Thornburg, B Johnson, Marco, Elias

0

Hembree, Ramirez, Porcello, Leon, Pom, Abad, Boyer, Rutledge

[Kimmi]

Swihart is going to start taking grounders at 1st and 3rd base. Apparently, his ankle is keeping him from being able to catch regularly. I can't say that I like the Sox moving him off of position again, but he may become another internal option for 3B.

[Spudboy]

Swihart is going to start taking grounders at 1st and 3rd base. Apparently, his ankle is keeping him from being able to catch regularly. I can't say that I like the Sox moving him off of position again, but he may become another internal option for 3B.

 

It's almost criminal how Swihart has been squandered.

 

I have said all along that he belongs at 3rd or 1st but y'all have constantly reminded me that "his bat is worth much more at Catcher". Now he is a gimp when he was a Gazelle.

 

If he had been moved to third or first two years ago ( just let Butler fill in for whoever was injured ) he could have been a really productive player now.

 

Oh well.

[oldtimer]

Agreed, but I'd keep him in the system, just in case.

 

 

I had the thought that DD is anxious to show case certain players as possible trade bait. Marerro is one of those as I see Lin as more likely to be our Utility Infielder of the future. We also have Marco Hernandez in the wings on the disabled list and I was higher on him than Marerro due to the difference in offense. I also see Holt as expendable, but not so much as Marerro. We are down to less than 2 weeks to the trade deadline so something will likely happen soon.

 

I see Bogaerts is sitting it out tonight. The hand is still bothering him, but his slump started before the hand was injured so maybe he just needs a rest.

[moonslav59]

Swihart is going to start taking grounders at 1st and 3rd base. Apparently, his ankle is keeping him from being able to catch regularly. I can't say that I like the Sox moving him off of position again, but he may become another internal option for 3B.

 

I think Swihart's bat is better than his recent minor numbers have shown. He's likely not going to ever be good enough to play 1B full time, and maybe even 3B FT, but I still think his best role might end up being a super utility guy:

 

2018

3rd string catcher (allows us to PH for our weak-hitting catchers more often)

3rd string 1B (behind Travis and HRam)

4th string 3B (behind 3 from Devers, Marco Hernandez, Rutledge, Holt, Lin & Marrero)

3rd string LF (behind Holt)

 

[moonslav59]

I had the thought that DD is anxious to show case certain players as possible trade bait. Marerro is one of those as I see Lin as more likely to be our Utility Infielder of the future. We also have Marco Hernandez in the wings on the disabled list and I was higher on him than Marerro due to the difference in offense. I also see Holt as expendable, but not so much as Marerro. We are down to less than 2 weeks to the trade deadline so something will likely happen soon.

 

I see Bogaerts is sitting it out tonight. The hand is still bothering him, but his slump started before the hand was injured so maybe he just needs a rest.

 

I doubt Marrero has any trade value.

 

Playing Holt might add some value to his stock.

 

I do not want to trade Marco.

 

I think Rutledge will be gone. I doubt we keep Holt & Marco, and I'm a big Marco fan, so I guess I'm suggesting we find a place to trade Holt this winter, unless we can't find a decent 4th OF'er.

 

I'd like to see ...

 

1B: Acquisition & Travis/HRam (DH)

2B: Pedey

3B: Devers, Hernandez

SS: Bogey, Lin

 

Minors: Marrero, Holt, (Travis)

 

[oldtimer]

I doubt Marrero has any trade value.

 

Playing Holt might add some value to his stock.

 

I do not want to trade Marco.

 

I think Rutledge will be gone. I doubt we keep Holt & Marco, and I'm a big Marco fan, so I guess I'm suggesting we find a place to trade Holt this winter, unless we can't find a decent 4th OF'er.

 

I'd like to see ...

 

1B: Acquisition & Travis/HRam (DH)

2B: Pedey

3B: Devers, Hernandez

SS: Bogey, Lin

 

Minors: Marrero, Holt, (Travis)

 

 

What are your thoughts about catcher? I think Vazquez stays but think we may move Leon next year. There is Butler in the farm system and an interesting trade in Texas.

[moonslav59]

What are your thoughts about catcher? I think Vazquez stays but think we may move Leon next year. There is Butler in the farm system and an interesting trade in Texas.

 

I think Leon stays. I don't think Butler is the answer.

 

Lucroy is hitting about the same or worse than our combined catchers. Nope.

 

To me, if we want to acquire an impact bat, it almost has to be 1B. Beltre & Donaldson are under control for more than this year, so they would block Devers or force him to play 1B prematurely, and they'd both be too costly (probably costing us Devers and/or Groome).

 

I hate to rag on Moreland, He's done great for us up to his toe injury, but his slump is widening.

[Spudboy]

"Upgrading" at catcher is not a priority as I see things.

 

Both of our guys hit well enough and are not black holes.

 

Their defense is very solid. I don't know how to evaluate "game calling" and "handling of a pitcher". But no one is complaining about those aspects, either.

 

No need to f*** with something that is not broken.

[oldtimer]

I think Leon stays. I don't think Butler is the answer.

 

Lucroy is hitting about the same or worse than our combined catchers. Nope.

 

To me, if we want to acquire an impact bat, it almost has to be 1B. Beltre & Donaldson are under control for more than this year, so they would block Devers or force him to play 1B prematurely, and they'd both be too costly (probably costing us Devers and/or Groome).

 

I hate to rag on Moreland, He's done great for us up to his toe injury, but his slump is widening.

 

Moreland's problems hitting seem to stem from two areas. The broken toe may be getting much better. The second problem is with his swing mechanics. He is still pulling off and hitting to left. That should be something he might correct. Once slumping it is difficult to find the answer, but we have seen he can get it done in the first half. Rest and work with the hitting coach could bring him back. Worth a try.

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[moonslav59]

Moreland's problems hitting seem to stem from two areas. The broken toe may be getting much better. The second problem is with his swing mechanics. He is still pulling off and hitting to left. That should be something he might correct. Once slumping it is difficult to find the answer, but we have seen he can get it done in the first half. Rest and work with the hitting coach could bring him back. Worth a try.

 

I wouldn't cut Moreland, but I do think at worst, he needs to go on the DL, and at best, he needs to be demoted to 7th in the line-up. NOW!

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[Nick]

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[moonslav59]

Some splits to ponder...

 

Last 28 Days:

.939 HRam (still getting grief from some posters)

.910 Pedey (coming on strong)

.827 Betts (waiting for a hot streak)

.785 Beni (see splits vs RHPs below)

.757 JBJ (not the streaky guy some think he is)

.739 Lin (down on the farm, now)

.703 Leon (holding tough)

.698 Young (needs to start hitting lefties better)

.644 Marrero (see splits vs LHPs)

.565 Moreland (slumping in the 4 slot for too long)

.528 Bogey (scary)

.495 Vaz (hope he bounces back)

 

vs RHPs

.828 Betts (pretty balanced)

.813 Beni (looks like a platoon player for now)

.803 Bogey (way better than vs LHPs)

.790 Moreland (numbers crashing hard)

.768 HRam (on the rise, here)

.766 Young (weird reverse splits this year)

.755 JBJ (should improve here)

.703 Lin

.652 Leon (starter vs most RHPs?)

.621 Vaz (starter vs all LHPs?)

.405 Marrero

.353 Holt (our starter at 3B vs RHPs, for now)

.276 Travis

 

vs LHPs

1.044 Pedey (bat 4th vs LHPs?)

1.003 Travis (might end up being a straight platoon player)

.995 JBJ (wild reverse splits this year)

.991 Marrero (3B starter vs LHPs, for now)

.907 HRam (solid)

.860 Betts (balanced)

.796 Vaz (starter vs LHPs?)

.700 Bogey (concerning)

.697 Leon (sit vs lefties)

.660 Young (needs to start hitting here)

.590 Beni (should platoon until he shows he can hit LHPs)

.577 Moreland (does not start vs LHPs)

 

It looks like this team has 4 positions platooned or that should be platooned:

 

1B: Moreland- Travis (if he was here)-Young otherwise

LF: Beni - Young (see above)

3B: Holt-Marrero

C: Leon-Vaz

 

Since Young can only platoon at one position, we are being force to play Beeni vs LHPs (.590 OPS). I think we should send a pitcher down and call-up Travis. Despite his struggles at the plate, he's probably better than Beni. We could also call up Brentz to start vs LHPs at DH or LF.

 

I wonder how long we will stick with Holt at 3B vs RHPs. It's not like Lin was killing righties (.703) though.

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

Our top 4 rotation has been stronger than we've seen in a long time.

 

Hopefully, ERod will get back to form soon.

[moonslav59]

Top AL starters over the last 30 days by WAR:

1) 1.6 Price & Kluber

3) 1.4 Paxton

4) 1.3 Sale

5) 1.2 Darvish

6) 1.1 Severino

7) 1.0 Pomeranz & Tanaka

9) 0.9 Carrasco, Fulmer, Manae

13) 0.8 Peacock, S Gray, Verlander

14) 0.7 Hamels

15) 0.6 Porcello

 

Pretty impressive to have 3 in the top 7 and 4 in the top 15 out of 15 AL teams!

[moonslav59]

AL FIP rankings:

1) Price 1.53

5) Sale 1.98

10) Pom 2.25

19) Porc 3.31

 

ERA-

3) Price 42

4) Sale 43

7) Pom 49

18) Porc 73

[OH FOY]

Our average start after 96 games is 5.9 innings. Wow. Thought it would be a little higher. If Sale wasn't here, we would be really low, in average start. Edited July 20, 2017 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

Our average start after 96 games is 5.9 innings. Wow. Thought it would be a little higher.

 

Second-best in baseball. Just the way the game is now.

[OH FOY]

Pretty good, shows the importance of Bullpens, in todays game.

[moonslav59]

IP/GS

 

7.1 Sale

6.3 Porcello

6.1 Price

5.9 ERod

5.4 Pom

490.2IP/79GS

6.2 IP/GS

 

5.4 Johnson

5.2 Velazquez

4.9 Fister

4.8 Wright

4.2 Kendrick

94.1 IP/17 GS

5.5 IP/GS

 

 

[oldtimer]

Some splits to ponder...

 

Last 28 Days:

.939 HRam (still getting grief from some posters)

.910 Pedey (coming on strong)

.827 Betts (waiting for a hot streak)

.785 Beni (see splits vs RHPs below)

.757 JBJ (not the streaky guy some think he is)

.739 Lin (down on the farm, now)

.703 Leon (holding tough)

.698 Young (needs to start hitting lefties better)

.644 Marrero (see splits vs LHPs)

.565 Moreland (slumping in the 4 slot for too long)

.528 Bogey (scary)

.495 Vaz (hope he bounces back)

 

vs RHPs

.828 Betts (pretty balanced)

.813 Beni (looks like a platoon player for now)

.803 Bogey (way better than vs LHPs)

.790 Moreland (numbers crashing hard)

.768 HRam (on the rise, here)

.766 Young (weird reverse splits this year)

.755 JBJ (should improve here)

.703 Lin

.652 Leon (starter vs most RHPs?)

.621 Vaz (starter vs all LHPs?)

.405 Marrero

.353 Holt (our starter at 3B vs RHPs, for now)

.276 Travis

 

vs LHPs

1.044 Pedey (bat 4th vs LHPs?)

1.003 Travis (might end up being a straight platoon player)

.995 JBJ (wild reverse splits this year)

.991 Marrero (3B starter vs LHPs, for now)

.907 HRam (solid)

.860 Betts (balanced)

.796 Vaz (starter vs LHPs?)

.700 Bogey (concerning)

.697 Leon (sit vs lefties)

.660 Young (needs to start hitting here)

.590 Beni (should platoon until he shows he can hit LHPs)

.577 Moreland (does not start vs LHPs)

 

It looks like this team has 4 positions platooned or that should be platooned:

 

1B: Moreland- Travis (if he was here)-Young otherwise

LF: Beni - Young (see above)

3B: Holt-Marrero

C: Leon-Vaz

 

Since Young can only platoon at one position, we are being force to play Beeni vs LHPs (.590 OPS). I think we should send a pitcher down and call-up Travis. Despite his struggles at the plate, he's probably better than Beni. We could also call up Brentz to start vs LHPs at DH or LF.

 

I wonder how long we will stick with Holt at 3B vs RHPs. It's not like Lin was killing righties (.703) though.

 

 

 

 

We are lucky to have Young as a utility outfielder who is good defensively. Beni has struggled at times of late so Young can platoon for him as a reasonble move. Young is no world beater but is a solid utility outfield. Brentz would give up defensive proficiency but does have some power.

 

Moreland is in a deep slump and needs to sit or be sent onto the DL list until his injury is fully healed. I don't think it is totally his toe that is wrong, but time off might help. In the meantime Travis is a reasonble fill in and might actually shine. I would bat Travis back in the order.

 

The Holt and Marerro proposed 3rd base platoon is the decision for now but Lin sits in the minors with potentially better numberss than either.

 

Don't see anything much we can do at catcher. The platoon is reasonable but Pitchers have their favorite catcher so that also has to be considered.

[moonslav59]

The Holt and Marerro proposed 3rd base platoon is the decision for now but Lin sits in the minors with potentially better numberss than either.

 

vs. RHPs, Lin is probably better than both Holt and Marrero, but I'd stick with marrero vs LHPs until he proves he can't do it anymore.

 

[Maxbialystock]

Some splits to ponder...

 

Last 28 Days:

.939 HRam (still getting grief from some posters)

.910 Pedey (coming on strong)

.827 Betts (waiting for a hot streak)

.785 Beni (see splits vs RHPs below)

.757 JBJ (not the streaky guy some think he is)

.739 Lin (down on the farm, now)

.703 Leon (holding tough)

.698 Young (needs to start hitting lefties better)

.644 Marrero (see splits vs LHPs)

.565 Moreland (slumping in the 4 slot for too long)

.528 Bogey (scary)

.495 Vaz (hope he bounces back)

 

vs RHPs

.828 Betts (pretty balanced)

.813 Beni (looks like a platoon player for now)

.803 Bogey (way better than vs LHPs)

.790 Moreland (numbers crashing hard)

.768 HRam (on the rise, here)

.766 Young (weird reverse splits this year)

.755 JBJ (should improve here)

.703 Lin

.652 Leon (starter vs most RHPs?)

.621 Vaz (starter vs all LHPs?)

.405 Marrero

.353 Holt (our starter at 3B vs RHPs, for now)

.276 Travis

 

vs LHPs

1.044 Pedey (bat 4th vs LHPs?)

1.003 Travis (might end up being a straight platoon player)

.995 JBJ (wild reverse splits this year)

.991 Marrero (3B starter vs LHPs, for now)

.907 HRam (solid)

.860 Betts (balanced)

.796 Vaz (starter vs LHPs?)

.700 Bogey (concerning)

.697 Leon (sit vs lefties)

.660 Young (needs to start hitting here)

.590 Beni (should platoon until he shows he can hit LHPs)

.577 Moreland (does not start vs LHPs)

 

It looks like this team has 4 positions platooned or that should be platooned:

 

1B: Moreland- Travis (if he was here)-Young otherwise

LF: Beni - Young (see above)

3B: Holt-Marrero

C: Leon-Vaz

 

Since Young can only platoon at one position, we are being force to play Beeni vs LHPs (.590 OPS). I think we should send a pitcher down and call-up Travis. Despite his struggles at the plate, he's probably better than Beni. We could also call up Brentz to start vs LHPs at DH or LF.

 

I wonder how long we will stick with Holt at 3B vs RHPs. It's not like Lin was killing righties (.703) though.

 

 

 

 

I love that stuff. Good stats, plus good summary. I'm not a Holt fan and certainly not as much as Farrell is. I was happy with Lin/Marrero and am thus chastened by Lin's .703 against righties.

 

Thanks.

[moonslav59]

Top AL UZR/150 leaders in 2017:

 

1) Betts 28.2

2) Alex Gordon 16.9

4) Iggy 15.4

11) Pedey 10.8

28) Bogaerts 3.1

39) JBJ 1.0

48) Beni -2.1

 

If you lower the innings to 200 and 138 players...

6) Marrero (3B) +16.7

110) Pablo -8.6

136) Young (LF) -26.2

29) Moreland 2.9

 

 

[moonslav59]

I love that stuff. Good stats, plus good summary. I'm not a Holt fan and certainly not as much as Farrell is. I was happy with Lin/Marrero and am thus chastened by Lin's .703 against righties.

 

Thanks.

 

Lin might be better vs RHPs (even at .703) than Holt.

[oldtimer]

Interesting if somewhat frustrating game today with some good and some bad and some head scratchers.

 

With 5 starters now, JF decided to go with Fister against Liriano, a guy who we should have been able to score against. JF presumably wanted to set up the rotation for the west coast but took a risk on giving up a lot of runs with Fister. We did get to Liriano with some good grind them out at bats (Holt 11 pitches, Betts 8 pitches, Pedroia 8 pitches. We got him out early with the lead but Fister didn't have good command and got unlucky when Holt misplayed a ball in the sun. Fister didn't last so we wound up using a lot of our BP anyway and they did quite well expect for Abad who had control issues.

 

The good was how well Pedroia is hitting and Betts seems also to be getting back.

 

While Bogey got one double he still seems off. I wonder why he doesn't keep the bat still just before the pitch is delivered. Hitting 101 advises to have no unecessary motion before the ball is delivered.

 

Beni has been off for a while now and has had difficulty pulling anything. Most of his contacts have fouled to left or flied to left, where his power is limited. The last time up he actually pulled the ball to Smoak, which was at least a possible improvement. The same can be said for Moreland who got under a ball just a little but pulled it. That is really the first pulled ball for him in a while as he has been opening up and going to left. Hanley was off today, but Leon is starting to make a lot of hard contact.

 

Maybe we are seeing a resurrgence in some of the guys hitting. It would be welcomed.

 

Vazquez even got into the game today to play third after Marerro was pinch hit for.

 

I wonder if the JF strategy of going with our weakest pitching against their weakest pitching made sense. I prefer to win the games when you can. A win is a win. Presumably, our strongest pitching will be up against some strong pitching on the west coast with a greater likelihood of getting beat in close games. To each their own.