2017 Rotation Discussion

[moonslav59]

We will likely be the top bidder for Darvish. Whether he signs or not will depend on his preference. We have CC and Pineda going off into FA. Tanaka will likely not opt out. Severino and Montgomery have earned spots in the middle to upper portion of the rotation. Adding a lockdown ace like Darvish and promoting Adams seems like the right choice.

 

I'm glad you guys were looking to 2018 and beyond, instead of picking up an ace last winter.

 

I might not be so glad next year.

[a700hitter]

I never said that he is broke...not yet. But the Ex will get half of what is left of his baseball earnings. His net of $30 - 40 million is now down to $15 - 20 million. He is a couple of bad investment decisions away from being broke. Ask Jack Clark.

Or ask Livan Hernandez who earned $50 million during his career.

 

Former MLB pitcher Livan Hernandez files for bankruptcy

 

Kevin Spain and A.J. Perez , USA TODAY Sports

Published 6:21 p.m. ET July 10, 2017 | Updated 6:38 p.m. ET July 10, 2017

 

 

 

 

(Photo: Jason Parkhurst-USA TODAY Sports)

 

Livan Hernandez made a lot of money as a pitcher in the major leagues but, according to court records, has filed for bankruptcy in Florida.

Hernandez, according to Baseball Reference, made more than $53 million in his career. He filed for Chapter 13 bankruptcy in federal court at Ft. Lauderdale.

In the filing he says that he owes up to 49 creditors between $500,000 and $1 million and that he has $50,000 or less in assets.

The court papers show that most of the creditors he owes are banks and credit card companies. He also owes the IRS.

Hernandez pitched for 17 years in the majors, on nine teams. He played in two World Series, winning and earning Series MVP honors with the Florida Marlins in 1997 and losing with the San Francisco Giants in 2002.

[S5Dewey]

It's not surprising that some players who suddenly come into millions of dollars by playing sports eventually go through bankruptcy. Many of them never had a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of so they have no clue how to handle money. They remind me of the old story about a man who squandered millions and then said "I spent half of it on wine, women, and song. And the rest I spent foolishly". But that doesn't mean they all do. Some of them make good investments while playing and some are just able to retire very, very comfortably. The one I immediately think of who doesn't fit that profile is Curt Schilling who made some terrible investments, but that's another story.

 

In addition, many of them stay involved in their sport after retirement. With the proliferation of sports networks and the desire of networks like NESN wanting to get retired players on board as color men there are always jobs in broadcasting. Then there's coaching and speaking engagements. The opportunities are endless for ex-players to stay in their sport without playing and still get paid for it.

 

I don't look to see Ryan Dempster in a food line in the near future. It's just that his firewall is a lot thinner than it used to be. He can still live better than most of us can, and stay involved in baseball while he does it.

 

Is there a downside to that????

[SoxHop]

It's not surprising that some players who suddenly come into millions of dollars by playing sports eventually go through bankruptcy. Many of them never had a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of so they have no clue how to handle money. They remind me of the old story about a man who squandered millions and then said "I spent half of it on wine, women, and song. And the rest I spent foolishly". But that doesn't mean they all do. Some of them make good investments while playing and some are just able to retire very, very comfortably. The one I immediately think of who doesn't fit that profile is Curt Schilling who made some terrible investments, but that's another story.

 

In addition, many of them stay involved in their sport after retirement. With the proliferation of sports networks and the desire of networks like NESN wanting to get retired players on board as color men there are always jobs in broadcasting. Then there's coaching and speaking engagements. The opportunities are endless for ex-players to stay in their sport without playing and still get paid for it.

 

I don't look to see Ryan Dempster in a food line in the near future. It's just that his firewall is a lot thinner than it used to be. He can still live better than most of us can, and stay involved in baseball while he does it.

 

Is there a downside to that????

 

Didn't the NBA setup some kind of financial counseling for every player because many of them were going broke after they stopped playing? Something like that should be done by the players Union for MLB, or I really would have to question their support they have for their members.

[S5Dewey]

Want to see how these guys go broke? I did just a quick search and found these listings of what some of them spent their money on. [And just so I don't run afoul of copyright laws, everything in bold below came from this website: http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/athletes-bankrupt/

 

Mike Tyson

However, he had spent almost all of it, frittering it away on extravagances like mansions, luxury cars and pet tigers.

 

Michael Vick

Everything seemed to be smooth sailing for Michael Vick until he went to prison for his participation in an illegal interstate dog fighting ring in 2007. The prison sentence sidelined him for almost two years, and during that time he lost his regular NFL salary and all of his endorsements, including a lucrative Nike sponsorship. The lack of income, combined with his own financial mismanagement, forced Vick to declare bankruptcy from federal prison.

 

Kenny Anderson

In addition to $8500 monthly child support and alimony payments to [his first wife], Anderson was also supporting six other children and two other ex-wives, as well as making monthly payments on his mother’s house. He also owned eight cars and an estate in Beverly Hills, and gave himself a $10,000-a-month allowance that he referred to as “hanging out money”. At the time of his bankruptcy filing, he had $41,000 in monthly expenses to pay.

 

Jack Clark (yes, OUR Jack Clark)

When Clark listed his assets in the filing, he cited 18 luxury cars, including a Ferrari, a Rolls Royce and a Mercedes Benz. He owed money on all but one of them. Apparently, Clark quickly got bored with his collection, and when that happened he would just get rid of the ones he no longer cared for and replace them with new ones. The habit ended up costing him his home, which was worth more than $2 million.

 

Derrick Coleman

Coleman earned over $87 million in his 15-year career, so many people were surprised when he filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy in March 2010. In the filing documents, he listed $1 million in assets, including a Bentley, five fur coats and $3,000 worth of jewelry. His debts totaled more than $4 million, which he owed to almost 100 creditors, including American Express, Verizon and even Detroit Mayor Dave Bing.

 

Scottie Pippen

Pippen’s successes on the court couldn’t stop him from losing career earnings worth $120 million, including over $4 million for a corporate jet that was grounded just months after he bought it. He sued his attorneys for $8 million for failing to monitor the purchase, and he won the lawsuit. However, the jury ruled that Pippen bore plenty of responsibility for the purchase himself, and he was awarded only one quarter of the reward that he sought.

 

Antoine Walker

When he filed for bankruptcy Walker claimed assets of $4 million and liabilities of almost $13 million. The filing lists a $2 million house in Miami with a mortgage of almost $4 million.

 

Walker’s problems stem in large part from gambling. In 2009, he was arrested and charged with writing $800,000 worth of bad checks to three Las Vegas casinos.

Tony Gwynn

During his sixth season he filed for bankruptcy, citing bad investments, poor accounting and $1 million in back taxes. At the time of the filing, his assets totaled approximately $700,000, while his liabilities totaled over $1.1 million.

[Bellhorn04]

It's not surprising that some players who suddenly come into millions of dollars by playing sports eventually go through bankruptcy. Many of them never had a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of so they have no clue how to handle money. They remind me of the old story about a man who squandered millions and then said "I spent half of it on wine, women, and song. And the rest I spent foolishly".

 

Classic line.

 

There are also some horror stories about lottery winners blowing their money in a hurry.

[devildavid]

I'm finally feeling very positive about the starting rotation as we head into the second half of the season. Sale is Sale, and Pomeranz has been effective in his own imperfect way. But now it looks like Porcello and Price are stepping up their game. I also think Fister is a decent fifth starter. Still hope for Rodriguez to get healthy and return, and things would really look positive for this bunch. It took them a while to get it together, but they seem to be on the right track. I am optimistic. Edited July 14, 2017 by devildavid

[Kimmi]

I'm finally feeling very positive about the starting rotation as we head into the second half of the season. Sale is Sale, and Pomerantz has been effective in his own imperfect way. But now it looks like Porcello and Price are stepping up their game. I also think Fister is a decent fifth starter. Still hope for Rodriguez to get healthy and return, and things would really look positive for this bunch. It took them a while to get it together, but they seem to be on the right track. I am optimistic.

 

Nice post. There is definitely good reason to be optimistic about our rotation. ERod seems to be healthy and is set to return during the Yankees series. Let's just hope he can stay healthy.

 

If Carson Smith can get healthy and Dombrowski can acquire one strong pen arm, then we have reason to be optimistic about our already good pen as well.

 

Ready to start this second half!

[Kimmi]

Nice post. There is definitely good reason to be optimistic about our rotation. ERod seems to be healthy and is set to return during the Yankees series. Let's just hope he can stay healthy.

 

If Carson Smith can get healthy and Dombrowski can acquire one strong pen arm, then we have reason to be optimistic about our already good pen as well.

 

Ready to start this second half!

 

Correction - ERod will start Monday night against the Jays, with Fister getting the start on Tuesday. These two performances will likely determine Fister's fate.

[moonslav59]

Correction - ERod will start Monday night against the Jays, with Fister getting the start on Tuesday. These two performances will likely determine Fister's fate.

 

I forgot about the day-night double header vs the Yanks on Sunday.

 

My guess is, no matter what, Tuesday will probably be Fister's last start. (Assuming no injury.)

 

[dannycater]

If only the Sox had Kevin Cash to call pitches. Is this Sox retro chat? Where the white women at?

[Kimmi]

If only the Sox had Kevin Cash to call pitches. Is this Sox retro chat? Where the white women at?

 

I don't get this post at all.

[OH FOY]

I'm not counting the Rays out, if Cobb comes back strong in 2nd half, that's a strong rotation, and they got a kid in the Minors, who's real good. Honeywell, in case of injury. Forgot getting Boxberger back is really going to help that BP. Edited July 15, 2017 by OH FOY!

[Spudboy]

I don't get this post at all.

 

You are not alone.

[S5Dewey]

You are not alone.

 

Me too. And when it's too obscure for Spud it's too obscure. LOL

[Jack Flap]

Alex Speier @alexspeier

With Fister not starting on Tuesday after yesterday's 50-plus pitch relief outing, Brian Johnson & Hector Velazquez are candidates to start.

11:15 AM · Jul 16, 2017

[Kimmi]

Alex Speier @alexspeier

With Fister not starting on Tuesday after yesterday's 50-plus pitch relief outing, Brian Johnson & Hector Velazquez are candidates to start.

11:15 AM · Jul 16, 2017

 

I read earlier (I don't recall who wrote it) that Fister might still be a candidate for Tuesday's start.

[Larry Cook]

Really hope Johnson gets a shot instead of throwing fister back out there.

 

They could always send Maddox back down and bring up Johnson.

[Behindenemylines]

Alex Speier @alexspeier

With Fister not starting on Tuesday after yesterday's 50-plus pitch relief outing, Brian Johnson & Hector Velazquez are candidates to start.

11:15 AM · Jul 16, 2017

 

What about ERod?

[Kimmi]

Really hope Johnson gets a shot instead of throwing fister back out there.

 

They could always send Maddox back down and bring up Johnson.

 

It now sounds like Fister will not be starting and it will either be Johnson or Velazquez.

[Kimmi]

What about ERod?

 

Erod is pitching on Monday.

[devildavid]

Sox starters looked good against the Yankees. Now they just need the offense to ignite.

[Larry Cook]

Price threw a whale of a game tonight.

 

With sale pitching lights out and the three "P"s figuring it out, all we need is to get Rodriguez back to form and we should have a formidable rotation for the rest of the year.

 

If we add a Robertson as the eight inning guy, the bullpen could be special as well, provided abad goes away.

[Kimmi]

Price threw a whale of a game tonight.

 

With sale pitching lights out and the three "P"s figuring it out, all we need is to get Rodriguez back to form and we should have a formidable rotation for the rest of the year.

 

If we add a Robertson as the eight inning guy, the bullpen could be special as well, provided abad goes away.

 

I am looking forward to ERod's start tonight. He was looking pretty good before going on the DL, so let's hope he can pick up where he left off.

 

I cannot say enough about Price's performance last night. Being able to get through 8 innings was huge, not only to give our relievers a rest for last night's game, but also to give them a rest for next two games with ERod and Johnson/Velazquez pitching.

[OH FOY]

Velazquez is scheduled to Pitch tonight at Pawtucket, I think Johnson last pitched on Friday, I think they call up Johnson.

 

Johnson pitched on Thursday, so Tuesday would be his scheduled start, I think Johnson. He pitched real good last start, 7 innings 3 hits 0 runs.

Edited July 17, 2017 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

http://m.redsox.mlb.com/news/article/242697678/red-sox-tap-brian-johnson-for-a-spot-start/

 

Looks like Johnson.

[mvp 78]

@ClearTheBases

 

Interesting that the #RedSox brought up two @PawSox starters, Brian Johnson and Hector Velzquez. Sending down Robby Scott and Sam Travis

[mvp 78]

@ClearTheBases

 

Interesting that the #RedSox brought up two @PawSox starters, Brian Johnson and Hector Velzquez. Sending down Robby Scott and Sam Travis

 

Wonder if they are worried that Johnson won't go very long and will need HV to go a few innings to rest the bullpen.

[Bellhorn04]

Wonder if they are worried that Johnson won't go very long and will need HV to go a few innings to rest the bullpen.

 

I concur with that theory.

[moonslav59]

Our top 4 starters have looked very good lately (in reverse chronological order)...\

 

IP/H/ER/BB/K

 

Sale

7.2 3 0 2 13

7.0 7 4 0 12

7.0 4 0 1 11

6.1 4 1 2 9

28 18 5 5 45 (1.25 ERA)

 

Price

8.0 7 0 0 8

6.0 5 2 2 5

6.0 6 0 2 9

20 18 2 4 22 (0.90 ERA)

 

Pomeranz

6.0 6 4 2 7

6.0 6 2 5 6

6.0 5 1 2 3

5.0 4 0 0 7

6.1 6 2 1 5

6.1 4 1 3 4

35.2 31 10 13 32 (2.52 ERA)

 

Porcello

6.0 9 1 0 6

8.0 6 1 0 7

14 15 2 0 13 (1.29 ERA)