25 Man Roster

[Spudboy]

I'd take Pom over Buch going forward.

 

So would I.

 

 

 

I think you are panicking a bit. Or did you forget the unending years of frustration with Buch.

 

I am not panicking at all. I just have seen next to nothing from Pom since his arrival and he is in camp being coddled because of an un-repaired injury to his throwing elbow.

 

No I do not want Buch back and no I have not forgotten how maddening he was.

 

I want to see Pom succeed. I just have very few reasons to believe that he wll do so based on his history and his time with the Sox.

 

Does anyone disagree?

[a700hitter]

So would I.

 

 

 

 

 

I am not panicking at all. I just have seen next to nothing from Pom since his arrival and he is in camp being coddled because of an un-repaired injury to his throwing elbow.

 

No I do not want Buch back and no I have not forgotten how maddening he was.

 

I want to see Pom succeed. I just have very few reasons to believe that he wll do so based on his history and his time with the Sox.

 

Does anyone disagree?

I can't speak to the health f his arm, but I thought that he looked pretty solid for a bottom of the rotation guy.

[moonslav59]

I think that DD is thinking Swihart is going to be our number one catcher once he has learned how to catch. It won't be long.

 

I think DD thinks Swihart might someday become our number one catcher.

 

With Vaz and Leon still question marks, I think keeping all 3 options alive makes a lot of sense.

[notin]

I might disagree that Pomeranz' history gives plenty of reasons for optimism...

[cp176]

I think DD thinks Swihart might someday become our number one catcher.

 

With Vaz and Leon still question marks, I think keeping all 3 options alive makes a lot of sense.

 

That is how I see it.

[cp176]

I think that Pomeranz, if healthy, still could be a solid pitcher in our rotation for years. I saw him maybe at his best for us last year against Detroit. What I saw I liked. i get the fact that there aren't many who feel like i do about him but what the hell i still think that Moncada is going to be very special.

[S5Dewey]

Getting away from catching for a moment, one name I haven't seen here is Steve Selsky. The Sox picked him up off the waiver wire in January and he's been looking good this spring - good to the point where Farrell said that Selsky is the most surprising player he's seen this year. I wouldn't expect him to be on the 25 man roster but his being on the 40 wouldn't surprise me at all, competing with Castillo for the first call-up spot. (BTW, Castillo made a couple of nice catches in the OF yesterday and had a double down the LF line. The double was interesting because he fouled of 4-5 pitches, swinging late on all of them but then pulled a 91 MPH FB down the LF line. But he also looked pretty pathetic in his other plate appearance).

 

Question about Rutledge: I know we got him off the Rule 5 Draft last year. Does he have to remain with the club forever to avoid being sent back to where he came from, or is he now a "regular" player now that he's in his second year here?

[User Name]

The R5D rules only apply to the year the player was acquired. Afterwards, he is the claiming team's "property"

[notin]

Getting away from catching for a moment, one name I haven't seen here is Steve Selsky. The Sox picked him up off the waiver wire in January and he's been looking good this spring - good to the point where Farrell said that Selsky is the most surprising player he's seen this year. I wouldn't expect him to be on the 25 man roster but his being on the 40 wouldn't surprise me at all, competing with Castillo for the first call-up spot. (BTW, Castillo made a couple of nice catches in the OF yesterday and had a double down the LF line. The double was interesting because he fouled of 4-5 pitches, swinging late on all of them but then pulled a 91 MPH FB down the LF line. But he also looked pretty pathetic in his other plate appearance).

 

Question about Rutledge: I know we got him off the Rule 5 Draft last year. Does he have to remain with the club forever to avoid being sent back to where he came from, or is he now a "regular" player now that he's in his second year here?

 

1. Selsky is on a minor league deal so he doesn't need to be on the 40 man roster any time soon. He might be added at some point if he is needed in Boston. To add him, the Sox would have to DFA someone or put a player on the 60 day DL. Brentz is always a DFA candidate, especially if he has fallen behind Selsky on the depth chart. Or if Swihart takes over as starting catcher due to struggles from Leon and Vazquez, one of the latter two could also be DFAd.

 

2. Rutledge was selected in the Rule 5 draft this past off-season , despite previous tenure here.. Hehas to spend a full season in Boston on the active roster. If he spends time on the DL,it doesn't count and extends his Rule 5 status for a corresponding length. However, at any point the Sox can work out a trade and negate the entire Rule 5 thing. As Rutledge isn't some unprotected prospect the Rockies dying to get back, the deal would likely be very minor. Possibly just cash...

Edited March 1, 2017 by notin

[oldtimer]

What is going on with Hanley's sore shoulder. Hope that isn't a harbinger of something serious.

[Maxbialystock]

I think DD thinks Swihart might someday become our number one catcher.

 

With Vaz and Leon still question marks, I think keeping all 3 options alive makes a lot of sense.

 

Very sensible, but how do the Sox manage three catchers? My memory of last year is that Swihart had the job at the end of spring training and promptly lost it within 30 days of the regular season beginning, largely because the pitchers didn't like him. And that's why, completely out of the blue, they moved him to LF. It looks to me--as superficial as I no doubt am--as though we have one catcher who can hit, and two who can field and call games, but no one who can do both. Am i wrong?

[moonslav59]

Getting away from catching for a moment, one name I haven't seen here is Steve Selsky. The Sox picked him up off the waiver wire in January and he's been looking good this spring - good to the point where Farrell said that Selsky is the most surprising player he's seen this year. I wouldn't expect him to be on the 25 man roster but his being on the 40 wouldn't surprise me at all...

 

He's on the 40 man roster already.

 

 

competing with Castillo for the first call-up spot. (BTW, Castillo made a couple of nice catches in the OF yesterday and had a double down the LF line. The double was interesting because he fouled of 4-5 pitches, swinging late on all of them but then pulled a 91 MPH FB down the LF line. But he also looked pretty pathetic in his other plate appearance).

 

Castillo is going to have to go nutty to be added to the 40 man roster and put us over the luxury tax (unless just added for a few weeks).

 

 

Question about Rutledge: I know we got him off the Rule 5 Draft last year. Does he have to remain with the club forever to avoid being sent back to where he came from, or is he now a "regular" player now that he's in his second year here?

 

He has to stay on the 25 man roster for the whole year or be sent back. A trade could be worked out to avoid a send back.

[moonslav59]

Very sensible, but how do the Sox manage three catchers? My memory of last year is that Swihart had the job at the end of spring training and promptly lost it within 30 days of the regular season beginning, largely because the pitchers didn't like him. And that's why, completely out of the blue, they moved him to LF. It looks to me--as superficial as I no doubt am--as though we have one catcher who can hit, and two who can field and call games, but no one who can do both. Am i wrong?

 

They can keep 3, because Swihart has an option left. He also needs to improve his defense, so it works out just right.

 

Hopefully, we'll know more about all three catchers after this year and can make a more informed choice, when the time comes.

[Behindenemylines]

Not likely.

 

Im no fan of Abad, but the Sox didn't go to arbitration to keep him as an insurance policy so they could pay him to pitch elsewhere..

 

I agree. He has not produced in a Sox uniform yet. Hembree pitched effectively at times last year. Still might be an issue when Smith comes back.

[mvp 78]

MOON!

 

@PawSox Marco Hernandez enters today’s game against the @BlueJays tied for the most hits in Spring Training with 10. #SoxSpring

[Maxbialystock]

I think DD thinks Swihart might someday become our number one catcher.

 

With Vaz and Leon still question marks, I think keeping all 3 options alive makes a lot of sense.

 

You're said something like that before. I just don't see 3 catchers on the 25 man roster, and I also don't see Swihart as an outfielder.

[a700hitter]

MOON!

 

@PawSox Marco Hernandez enters today’s game against the @BlueJays tied for the most hits in Spring Training with 10. #SoxSpring

All random.

[moonslav59]

I'm glad more people are showing more love for Marco.

 

I hope he can continue to shine.

[oldtimer]

I'm glad more people are showing more love for Marco.

 

I hope he can continue to shine.

 

What more can he do to make the team? The righty lefty argument only goes so far. . I would love to see us keep him and was on his side last year as well. He has a great swing and would be a super utility infielder, probably superior to Holt. Think of trading away pieces and keeping him. We have Selsky and Swihart for 2nd backup outfielders or could keep Travis, but that leaves us thin in the outfield.

[cp176]

What more can he do to make the team? The righty lefty argument only goes so far. . I would love to see us keep him and was on his side last year as well. He has a great swing and would be a super utility infielder, probably superior to Holt. Think of trading away pieces and keeping him. We have Selsky and Swihart for 2nd backup outfielders or could keep Travis, but that leaves us thin in the outfield.

 

We are going to find out pretty soon whether spring training has any real significance with respect to who makes the team and who doesn't. Hernandez should be on the team.

[notin]

We are going to find out pretty soon whether spring training has any real significance with respect to who makes the team and who doesn't. Hernandez should be on the team.

 

I thought we learned a long time ago that spring training has no real significance with respect to who makes the team or not. Teams appear to value depth more than a guy who can hit minor league pitching in March...

[Wade Boggs]

Thornburg will more likely be placed on the DL... WEEI.COM

 

This is not surprising but very disappointing. They traded Shaw and a decent/ maybe good prospect and we get our prime setup man injured. I guess Kelly gets the eighth for now. Or the old mix and match manager moves.

[Emp9]

Thornburg will more likely be placed on the DL... WEEI.COM

 

This is not surprising but very disappointing. They traded Shaw and a decent/ maybe good prospect and we get our prime setup man injured. I guess Kelly gets the eighth for now. Or the old mix and match manager moves.

 

But that's just conditioning right? It's not a real injury, correct?

[cp176]

I thought we learned a long time ago that spring training has no real significance with respect to who makes the team or not. Teams appear to value depth more than a guy who can hit minor league pitching in March...

 

When did you learn this? Am I just so naive or are you just so far ahead o the curve notin? What you have said here is that if Rutledge and Holt are kept and Hernandez is sent down, it is primarily because he has shown only that he can hit minor league pitching. That is ********! He is a better baseball player than either of these two and deserves to be on the team.

[Wade Boggs]

But that's just conditioning right? It's not a real injury, correct?

 

He had the dead arm. He was shut down, I thought for three weeks. He pitched a good inning the other day. But he was a scratch and couldn't go again. They thought he might still be ready for the season opener.

 

They may say conditioning but who knows. I understand your logic. I guess we shall see.

[User Name]

When did you learn this? Am I just so naive or are you just so far ahead o the curve notin? What you have said here is that if Rutledge and Holt are kept and Hernandez is sent down, it is primarily because he has shown only that he can hit minor league pitching. That is ********! He is a better baseball player than either of these two and deserves to be on the team.

 

That's not what he said at all. What he's saying is that the possibility of keeping a players (whether or not he has options) is a big factor in making these decisions. How you came up with that interpretation is beyond me.

[notin]

When did you learn this? Am I just so naive or are you just so far ahead o the curve notin? What you have said here is that if Rutledge and Holt are kept and Hernandez is sent down, it is primarily because he has shown only that he can hit minor league pitching. That is ********! He is a better baseball player than either of these two and deserves to be on the team.

 

That's because you think "making the team" means making the 25 man roster. It doesn't. It means making the 40 man roster. Hernandez is already on it. So is Holt. So is Rutledge. But the only way the Sox can keep all three is if Hernandez starts the season in AAA.

 

Its exactly the same as the bullpen and catcher situations. And these things do come up every year. Some player has a great spring training and suddenly the team can't get by without him. Hence why I started using the phrase the Jeff Bailey Award, after a previous spring training hero...

[Emp9]

He had the dead arm. He was shut down, I thought for three weeks. He pitched a good inning the other day. But he was a scratch and couldn't go again. They thought he might still be ready for the season opener.

 

They may say conditioning but who knows. I understand your logic. I guess we shall see.

 

Yeah, his situation is a bit confusing to me. I know he didn't do the Red Sox shoulder strengthening program, but my question is ... what has he done in the off season every other year before this one to get ready for a season? What did he do last year?

 

Hope a few guys step up with all these minor health issues mounting.

[cp176]

That's not what he said at all. What he's saying is that the possibility of keeping a players (whether or not he has options) is a big factor in making these decisions. How you came up with that interpretation is beyond me.

 

hey - potato potato- I'm very literal and if he thinks that Hernandez claim to fame is his ability to hit AAA pitching which is what he said more power to him .

[cp176]

That's because you think "making the team" means making the 25 man roster. It doesn't. It means making the 40 man roster. Hernandez is already on it. So is Holt. So is Rutledge. But the only way the Sox can keep all three is if Hernandez starts the season in AAA.

 

Its exactly the same as the bullpen and catcher situations. And these things do come up every year. Some player has a great spring training and suddenly the team can't get by without him. Hence why I started using the phrase the Jeff Bailey Award, after a previous spring training hero...

 

I will just say again with great emphasis that it will be ridiculous if Hernandez is not on the 25 man roster. Based not only upon what he has done this spring but what he did last year as well. I realize that based on who has options and who doesn't that he might get sent back. i also realize that he eventually will get his chance. If he gets sent back, Rutledge and Holt are quite likely to be on the field together at the ml level while Hernandez (who is a better player) plays in Pawtucket. Their lineup would be better with Hernandez in it.