2017 Rotation

[Foe-Jarmer]

Yeah S5. Trying to figure out how to get a sig going so I can put my old tag in there so people know it's me. Edited December 7, 2016 by Foe-Jarmer

[S5Dewey]

Yeah S5. Trying to figure out how to get a sig going so I can put my old tag in there so people know it's me.

 

Well, WELCOME BACK!!!

 

To add the sig look for your name at the top of the screen, then click on it. Then look for "about me" and click on it. You'll see a place there to enter your information. (you'll get the same opportunity if you click on "My Profile", too).

[moonslav59]

And in fairness to DD, Theo and company did much the same in 2004, sacrificing quite a lot of prospects to bring the title to Boston, and yet still could turn around 3 years later and introduce a team that was significantly homegrown (Ells, Pedey, Youk, Lester, Buchholz, etc).

 

Flashback...

 

Here are the soxprospects rankings of players from 2003 their list that were traded:

1) Freddy Sanchez for Jeff Suppan

2) Hanley Ramirez (& Anibel Sanchez) for Beckett & Lowell

3) Jorge de la Rosa (with Cassey Fossum & Brandon Lyon) for Schilling

5) Phil Dumatrait for Scott Williamson

6) Kelly Shoppach for Pedro Beato

 

 

 

[sk7326]

The question is not the approach to trade prospects - it is whether the team still has the folks in the scouting and development sides to keep delivering prospects. This particularly noteworthy with the new CBA essentially crushing the international FA market.

[moonslav59]

I'm assuming Encarncion isn't in the Red Sox's plans at all. He would cost a first round draft pick. He would require a significant investment in terms of dollars. In comparison to Moreland, Encarncion would hurt the Red Sox's defense and ability to prevent runs. The Red Sox may have concerns about Sandoval's defense at 3b; they minimize such concerns by adding Moreland, a stud defender at the other infield corner.

 

Agreed- something Pedro Alvarez would not have given us, although if Pablo sucks, Pedro could play some third base until we found a non-pretender.

[Spudboy]

At some point, it's time to abandon your pretensions and get the freaking job done. DD isn't going to stop until we've won the World Series. He'll deal with the rebuild when and if it's time to rebuild. For now he's busy trying to win. We're too close to the top right now for it to make any sense to hold back or do half measures. All in means all in.

 

And in fairness to DD, Theo and company did much the same in 2004, sacrificing quite a lot of prospects to bring the title to Boston, and yet still could turn around 3 years later and introduce a team that was significantly homegrown (Ells, Pedey, Youk, Lester, Buchholz, etc).

 

And when it comes to that, we already have a ton of young homegrown talent on the roster right now. How many prospects are we going to need to fill the outfield positions over the next 4 years? Maybe one? How many prospects are we going to need in the infield -- we could do with a good third baseman, that's about it other than maybe the persistent low level concern about Pedroia's frequent minor injuries. We have too MANY prospects at catcher. Our rotation is now so packed that starters are spilling out into the bullpen.

 

Even if we did hoard those prospects where's the impact from the farm going to be felt over the next 3 seasons? Anywhere? And even if there's some -- it won't likely compare favorably to what Chris Sale is going to give us on the top of the rotation.

 

We have a 2-3 year window where graduating prospects to fill the ranks is a luxury not a necessity. I'm just saying, consider the possibility that DD has a pretty damned good idea what he's doing and knows how to build a team, and also knows that at certain points in a team's life cycle, it's time to put the hammer down and sell out to win it big, this being one of them. I'll take that over BC's trying to run the Boston Red Sox like they were the Tampa Bay Devil Rays anyday.

 

Typical Dojji.

 

Out of nowhere an excellent f***ing post.

[Orange Juiced]

If the Sox want to go this route, their rotation could be:

 

1. Chris Sale - last 4 years, top 5 CYA candidate; over the last 5 years, #1 in AL in ERA, IP, WHIP, Ks, 5-time all-star

 

2. David Price - former CYA winner, 3-time top 3 CYA finisher, 5-time all-star

 

3. Rick Porcello - reigning CYA winner

 

4. Drew Pomeranz - 2016 all-star

 

5. Stephen Wright - 2016 all-star

 

That's 3 CYA caliber starters, plus two guys who were on this past year's all-star team. And that doesn't even factor in Eduardo Rodriguez or Clay Buchholz, of course.

 

The optimist in me is....excited.

 

(I'll not bother with the pessimist's perspective, because there's no doubt that someone else here will post that...)

[Dojji]

Great post. This rotation was pretty exciting before Sale... now you just have to sit there wondering what's going to go wrong and rob it of its potential -- because unless something does go wrong, this coming year looks pretty legendary..

[Dojji]

The question is not the approach to trade prospects - it is whether the team still has the folks in the scouting and development sides to keep delivering prospects. This particularly noteworthy with the new CBA essentially crushing the international FA market.

 

We'll see. But I think the opportunity to clean house and bring his own trusted people in may actually wind up serving DD well.

[sk7326]

We'll see. But I think the opportunity to clean house and bring his own trusted people in may actually wind up serving DD well.

 

It will make him happy undoubtedly.

 

The people he is replacing were ridiculously good at their jobs. You can see that with how quickly our guys get scooped up by other teams looking at best-in-industry folks.

[moonslav59]

1. Sale

2. Porcello

3. Price

4. ERod

5. Wright

6. Pomeranz

7. Buchholz

8. Johnson

9. Owens

10. Elias, if he's still here.

[Kimmi]

And in fairness to DD, Theo and company did much the same in 2004, sacrificing quite a lot of prospects to bring the title to Boston, and yet still could turn around 3 years later and introduce a team that was significantly homegrown (Ells, Pedey, Youk, Lester, Buchholz, etc).

 

Dombrowski is no Theo.

 

His philosophy is all wrong.

[Kimmi]

I'm not sure what all the talk of the 2-3 year window was about. Our team was set up to be contenders for the foreseeable future - much longer than 2-3 years. I realize we were losing players after that period, but you gain new players.

 

Now that we no longer have a farm system, we truly have a 2-3 year window.

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure what all the talk of the 2-3 year window was about. Our team was set up to be contenders for the foreseeable future - much longer than 2-3 years. I realize we were losing players after that period, but you gain new players.

 

Now that we no longer have a farm system, we truly have a 2-3 year window.

And new prospects will take the place of the departed prospects.

[a700hitter]

Dombrowski is no Theo.

 

His philosophy is all wrong.

No, you just prefer Theo's philosophy.

[Kimmi]

The question is not the approach to trade prospects - it is whether the team still has the folks in the scouting and development sides to keep delivering prospects. This particularly noteworthy with the new CBA essentially crushing the international FA market.

 

Many of our top scouting people took jobs elsewhere.

 

We're DOOMED!

[Kimmi]

We'll see. But I think the opportunity to clean house and bring his own trusted people in may actually wind up serving DD well.

 

Ha. We're really DOOMED!

[Kimmi]

And new prospects will take the place of the departed prospects.

 

Of course, but we don't know what the quality of those prospects will be.

 

Also, there's a good chance that Dombrowski will continue to trade them away.

[Kimmi]

No, you just prefer Theo's philosophy.

 

Because Theo's philosophy is the right one.

[a700hitter]

Ha. We're really DOOMED!

Were doomed we just added a pitcher to our two Cy Young Award winners who is better than the Cy Young winners. We are boing straight to the basement.

[a700hitter]

Because Theo's philosophy is the right one.

Thank goodness that you don't grade essays.

[Kimmi]

Were doomed we just added a pitcher to our two Cy Young Award winners who is better than the Cy Young winners. We are boing straight to the basement.

 

Obviously, I am joking about being doomed.

 

We have a very good team and should be strong favorites in the AL, not that that guarantees anything (see 2011).

 

Dombrowski has put this team in great shape for the next 3 years or so. As a Sox fan, I am very excited and happy about that.

 

We have no idea what will happen once this window has passed. Hopefully, Dombrowski makes it a priority to replenish and build the farm back up. If he doesn't, it could be very ugly for a few years. Some people would say who cares about 5 years down the road. Well, once 5 years down the road gets here, they will care greatly.

 

IMO, the job of the GM is to strike a balance between short and long terms so that the team remains competitive year in and year out. Dombrowski doesn't seem to have much use for the long term, which is unfortunate.

[Hugh2]

Ha. We're really DOOMED!

 

We don't know that, I would like to think this team with all it's financial might would allocate some money to bring in top scouts. Good scouting will go a long way picking low in the first round and having your bonus pools capped.

[Kimmi]

We don't know that, I would like to think this team with all it's financial might would allocate some money to bring in top scouts. Good scouting will go a long way picking low in the first round and having your bonus pools capped.

 

No, we don't know that. It remains to be seen.

 

I am just not a fan of the Dombrowski philosophy.

 

I am curious as to why our top scouting people, who were very good, have left.

[moonslav59]

And new prospects will take the place of the departed prospects.

 

It's not easy to replace like 20 traded prospects, especially with the quality prospects we have had. The new rules make it harder for better and richer teams to acquire better prospects.

 

Moncada

Espinoza

Margot

Kopech

Basabe

T Shaw (not a prospect when traded)

Guerra

Dubon

Aro

Wilkerson

Allen

Basabe (the other one)

Rijo

V Diaz

Asuaje

Light

Almonte

 

 

[a700hitter]

It's not easy to replace like 20 traded prospects, especially with the quality prospects we have had. The new rules make it harder for better and richer teams to acquire better prospects.

 

Moncada

Espinoza

Margot

Kopech

Basabe

T Shaw (not a prospect when traded)

Guerra

Dubon

Aro

Wilkerson

Allen

Basabe (the other one)

Rijo

V Diaz

Asuaje

Light

Almonte

 

 

15 of them never make the bigs, so not that hard to replace.

[mvp 78]

Rotation:

Sale

Price

Porcello

Pomeranz

Buchholz

[moonslav59]

15 of them never make the bigs, so not that hard to replace.

 

I think 5 have already made the bigs, so I guess you're saying none others will.

 

You really think it's easy to replace Moncada, Espi, Margot, Kopech, and Basabe

[Bellhorn04]

I think 5 have already made the bigs, so I guess you're saying none others will.

 

You really think it's easy to replace Moncada, Espi, Margot, Kopech, and Basabe

 

It's not easy to replace them as prospects. But we have a well-stacked team for the next 2-3 years without them.

[Wade Boggs]

Rotation:

Sale

Price

Porcello

Pomeranz

Buchholz

 

 

Sale

Porcello

Price

Erod

Wright

 

Pomeranz might start the season in pen. He might even start the season on DL. He had a tired arm. Bucholtz could be dealt. If Wright is healthy he will be the five. They are in love with Erod.