A Realistic View at 2017 Part I

[moonslav59]

It's ok. I understand you don't like to admit when you're wrong. Facts don't matter to Mr Cheatriots.

 

Fact is, I admitted I was wrong about Pablo.

 

You claimed I said that I recently said "wanted him at 3B back then".

 

Are you sticking with that falsehood?

 

Be a man. Admit you at least made a typo.

[harmony]

It's ok. I understand you don't like to admit when you're wrong. Facts don't matter to Mr Cheatriots.

IMHO moonslav59 -- and all posters -- deserve to be treated with respect regardless of our differences.

[moonslav59]

IMHO moonslav59 -- and all posters -- deserve to be treated with respect regardless of our differences.

 

I thought Mr. Cheatriots was referring to Bill B and Tom B not me...

 

 

[jad]

Wow. I get it! Like "cheat" plus "Patriots"! That is hysterical!!! Because, yeah, you mean, like, the football deflation thing?? Wow! That's awesome, and so timely. That's almost as intricate as the absolutely jaw-dropping witticism: "Bellicheat". Probably you've never heard that one. Get it? I mean like Bill Belichick plus CHEAT? See? (Wait while I catch my breath-- dying here!!) It's really unfair for professional writers and comedians to post on these boards.

[Slasher9]

the funny thing is...moon's not even a pats fan. he's a supporter of Green Bay iirc.

so mvp's shot is wasted there.

[Slasher9]

Wow. I get it! Like "cheat" plus "Patriots"! That is hysterical!!! Because, yeah, you mean, like, the football deflation thing?? Wow! That's awesome, and so timely. That's almost as intricate as the absolutely jaw-dropping witticism: "Bellicheat". Probably you've never heard that one. Get it? I mean like Bill Belichick plus CHEAT? See? (Wait while I catch my breath-- dying here!!) It's really unfair for professional writers and comedians to post on these boards.

lol. also asterisk. the patriots**** i cant wait for goodell to have to hand the trophy to TB12 again in a few weeks. gonna be so great.

[mvp 78]

the funny thing is...moon's not even a pats fan. he's a supporter of Green Bay iirc.

so mvp's shot is wasted there.

 

Nope. He used the "Cheatriots" line in the NFL thread and it was god awful. I was just making fun of him for using it in the first place.

[mvp 78]

If you're dumb enough to believe the "Cheatriots" nonsense, I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt elsewhere.

[moonslav59]

Nope. He used the "Cheatriots" line in the NFL thread and it was god awful. I was just making fun of him for using it in the first place.

 

You have a poor memory. You continuously misrepresent what I said or implied.

 

I called them cheaters, but never used that term.

 

I doubt I'll get an apology for this lie also.

[moonslav59]

the funny thing is...moon's not even a pats fan. he's a supporter of Green Bay iirc.

so mvp's shot is wasted there.

 

Plus, he got it all wrong. I never used the term.

 

Never heard of it before MVP used it today.

[moonslav59]

Some one asked on the NFL thread:

 

Today a question came to my mind? Why do so many people hate the Pats when it is so much more fun enjoying their repeated excellence and domination.

 

I answered light-heartedly (during the whole random argumnet thing going on)...

 

possible answers:

 

1) Their wins are just random occurrences.

 

2) They continually cheat.

 

I'm a Packer fan back from my childhood days living in the shadow or County Stadium in Milwaukee.

 

It was all meant in fun, but there are examples or accusations of cheating that non Patriot fans have clung to or used in jest.

 

Someone later provided evidence that my Pack has "cheated" more than the Pats since like 1920.

 

I'm fine with the ribbing, but at least get the facts straight. The funny part is, he accused me of ignoring the facts while continuously getting them wrong himself.

 

Go back and read the thread. I never used the term he attributes to me.'

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/13747-Official-NFL-thread/page2

[mvp 78]

You have a poor memory. You continuously misrepresent what I said or implied.

 

I called them cheaters, but never used that term.

 

I doubt I'll get an apology for this lie also.

 

There's a difference? Not to me.

[mvp 78]

Still don't see me getting anything wrong here.

 

Poster states that he said Sandoval was in the mix in the fall and a lot of posters disagree. FACT!

 

Poster is shown that he never mentioned that Sandoval should be in the mix during the fall. FACT!

 

Poster is in fact shown that an alternate poster was a leading proponent of Sandoval getting playing time. FACT!

[moonslav59]

There's a difference? Not to me.

 

So, it was you who first used the term "Cheatriots" on this site.

 

Too funny!

 

[mvp 78]

So, it was you who first used the term "Cheatriots" on this site.

 

Too funny!

 

 

Terrible reading comprehension again. Maybe we should all post in bold?

 

Go back and read the NFL thread again.

 

You will be proven wrong. FACT!

[moonslav59]

Still don't see me getting anything wrong here.

 

Poster states that he said Sandoval was in the mix in the fall and a lot of posters disagree. FACT!

 

Poster is shown that he never mentioned that Sandoval should be in the mix during the fall. FACT!

 

Poster is in fact shown that an alternate poster was a leading proponent of Sandoval getting playing time. FACT!

 

Here's the facts... (I can't believe you still actually can't comprehend basic English and logic.)

 

Poster reads a poster saying that he caught grief for saying last fall that "Sandoval is in the mix at 3B" and translates to "Poster is now saying he wanted Sandoval to start last fall, and I'm patting myself on the back because I got it right."

 

Poster reads, "It's amazing how so many people's opinions have changed on Pablo since last fall" and then translates it to poster is "patting himself on the back for calling the Pablo thing early and you clowns have all changed your opinion while I, the genius, have not"

 

Fact:

 

I listed Pablo/Shaw as our 3Bmen last fall and got crap for even mentioning him as an option or as "being in the mix" I also continuously suggested we trade for Frazier or others to try and get him out of the mix.

 

Your logic is so twisted, you think suggesting a trade, so Pablo would not longer be "in the mix" means I believed he was not in the mix anymore, or that logically suggesting a trade magically takes that player out of any consideration for winning the job. It's clown logic twisted into so-called "FACTS".

 

Recently, I make a blanket obvious statement that people's opinions have changed on Pablo. It wasn't meant to show anything other than obvious aspects of fans perception of Pablo. Here's the simple post- no bragging even remotely implied:

 

What a turn around for Panda on fan opinions and expectations from last spring to now.

 

I remember I caught a lot of flack last fall for just mentioning Pablo being "in the mix" at 3B or DH for 2017.

 

Now, he's basically all we've got, and posters are beginning to believe he can be productive again.

 

A "monster year" might be pushing it, but my expectations are certainly growing every time I see a new pic of him.

\

Doji responded by saying people's opinions have not changed. I responded:

 

Go back and read people's opinions last fall.

 

When I just listed Pablo as a possible competitor at 3B for the 2017 season, hardly anyone agreed and many laughed or berated the idea.

 

Some opinions have changed. Things have changed since last fall. We have no Travis Shaw. We've seen the photos of a much thinner Pablo. Approaching spring lends itself to optimism.

 

Fan and media opinions have changed. I see no doubt in that fact. Maybe not everyone, but many.

 

I'm sure even the strongest Pablo supporter (not me) has doubts.

 

This does not imply or say that I ever wanted or thought of Pablo as the starter for 2017 last fall.

 

I mentioned he was in the mix and people argued he wasn't.

 

MVP claims, and still is, that I am now saying I wanted Pablo to be the starter last fall, which if it was true, would mean I am lying, but it's not true. I never said it then, and I never said I said it then recently.

 

You relied with this:

 

"Man, you just love patting yourself on the back over and over again even when you're incorrect about the facts."

 

Fact: There's no patting my own back. I wasn't bragging about simply listing a $19M player as in the mix for 2017 3B (at least on opening day before Moncada is ready). I didn't even express an opinion, in my mind, at the time. I thought it was a fact. Pablo/Shaw with Hernandez, Holt and Rutledge as 3B depth. I was surprised when many argued Pablo's name shouldn't even be mentioned, or that he should be DFA'd with us paying all the cost.

 

Fact: I never said that last fall I said I wanted Pablo to start. You said I did, but I never did or even came close to implying I did.

 

Your facts are not facts. They are twisted distortions of some kind of warped interpretation of what I wrote last fall and recently.

 

Now, out of left field, you claim I am claiming to be the "leading proponent of Sandoval getting playing time."

 

What a joke!

 

Pablo is the starter right now. If I had my way, we'd never had signed him. I'd have traded him for a sucky pitcher like Shields before we squeezed ourselves into having basically just him and no spending space or prospects I'd be willing to trade.

 

Edited January 12, 2017 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Terrible reading comprehension again. Maybe we should all post in bold?

 

Go back and read the NFL thread again.

 

You will be proven wrong. FACT!

 

Show where I said "Cheatriots".

 

I'm not denying I said they cheated, so stop implying I'm doing that now.

 

I clearly said I never used that term. You still think I did, when it was actually you.

 

You're a clown!

[moonslav59]

Show where I said "Cheatriots".

 

I'm not denying I said they cheated, so stop implying I'm doing that now.

 

I clearly said I never used that term. You still think I did, when it was actually you.

 

You're a clown!

 

Man-o-man--you are twisted.

 

>>>>

[moonslav59]

There's a difference? Not to me.

 

Nice backpeddle.

[Kimmi]

All aboard the Pablo bandwagon! Woot! Woot!

[moonslav59]

All aboard the Pablo bandwagon! Woot! Woot!

 

I'm feeling more and more hopeful. I hate to get my expectations too high, but there's more hope than there was last fall.

[moonslav59]

Lots of players are signing to avoid arbs. Tis the season.

 

Will DD follow Theo and Ben's pattern of just about always avoiding arbs?

 

Seems like numbers are coming in a little lower than MLBTR's estimates, so maybe Abad will be cheaper than the $2M they projected.

[Emp9]

There's an NFL board on here?

[moonslav59]

There's an NFL board on here?

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/13747-Official-NFL-thread

 

See for yourself: I never used the word "cheatriots".

 

I answered a question about why people hate the Patriots, and as a Packer fan, my reply upset the sensitivities of Patriots fans rather like Yankee fans get twisted up when we say they "bought championships" or call them "cheaters".

 

I never said "cheatriots" but somebody here is still sticking to his delusion.

[Slasher9]

Nope. He used the "Cheatriots" line in the NFL thread and it was god awful. I was just making fun of him for using it in the first place.

ahhh. gotcha. apologies.

[Slasher9]

All aboard the Pablo bandwagon! Woot! Woot!

 

IN!

[moonslav59]

ahhh. gotcha. apologies.

 

It's MVP that needs to apologize.

 

I never used the term he claimed he was making fun of me for using.

[moonslav59]

Back to Sox baseball...

 

Now that teams are signing their arb players before reaching the arbs, here's a look at our team leading 10 arb players (with MLBTR's arb estimates):

 

Red Sox (10)

 

Fernando Abad (5.073) – $2.0MM

Robbie Ross Jr. (4.100) – $1.8MM

Joe Kelly (4.029) – $2.6MM

Drew Pomeranz (4.013) – $4.7MM

Tyler Thornburg (3.057) – $2.2MM

Brock Holt (3.052) – $1.7MM

Xander Bogaerts (3.042) – $5.7MM

**Brandon Workman (3.018) – $600K

Jackie Bradley Jr. (2.150) – $3.3MM

Sandy Leon (2.149) – $1.3MM

 

The Mets also have 10 arbs and I think a couple teams have 9 players.

 

**Workman already signed for $635K.

[Slasher9]

It's MVP that needs to apologize.

 

I never used the term he claimed he was making fun of me for using.

 

i saw all that after i posted. apologies!

you never used the term. i can confirm that.

anyways, i dont know why it's even a big deal. im a diehard Pats fan going back to the Steve Grogan days. i sat through my 1-15 seasons. since the 21st century the Patriots are a true dynasty. apparently fans and the NFL dislike modern dynasties so will do and say what they can to knock us down a rung or two. that's fine. that means we are on top. all good.

[mvp 78]

It's MVP that needs to apologize.

 

Never.