Koji hurts pectoral

[jacksonianmarch]

Expected to be headed for DL. Timeline uncertain. It's a strange injury for a pitcher

[Slasher9]

Looks like our relief pitching will have to adopt the patriots philosophy of "next man up"

[moonslav59]

Remember in 2013, Koji was our 3rd or 4th choice as a closer.

 

Let's hope the ending is the same as '13.

[Kimmi]

Our projected #1-4 relievers are currently injured, though Tazawa should be back soon.

 

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but a bullpen of Ziegler, Tazawa, Barnes, Hembree, Ross, Layne, Buchholz, and Kelly likely replacing one of those guys doesn't look half bad. How big is the Ziegler trade now?

 

The bullpen has looked pretty good since the Kimbrel implosion. Much of that has to do with the starting rotation doing its job over that stretch. If ERod can pitch like we hope he can, and Pomeranz pitches close to what he has so far this season, that not only stabilizes our rotation, but it helps to stabilize our pen as well.

 

Hopefully, Koji's injury isn't too serious.

[a700hitter]

Damn that DD and his win now mentality. What about the future!

[mvp 78]

Damn that DD and his win now mentality. What about the future!

 

Honestly, it was a real panic move for Farrell to keep trotting Koji out there.

[a700hitter]

Our projected #1-4 relievers are currently injured, though Tazawa should be back soon.

 

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but a bullpen of Ziegler, Tazawa, Barnes, Hembree, Ross, Layne, Buchholz, and Kelly likely replacing one of those guys doesn't look half bad. How big is the Ziegler trade now?

 

The bullpen has looked pretty good since the Kimbrel implosion. Much of that has to do with the starting rotation doing its job over that stretch. If ERod can pitch like we hope he can, and Pomeranz pitches close to what he has so far this season, that not only stabilizes our rotation, but it helps to stabilize our pen as well.

 

Hopefully, Koji's injury isn't too serious.

I think the current pen can perform okay until Kimbrel gets back. We need Taz to come back healthy very soon. If he has a setback, DD may need to look for a new arm.

[Jack Flap]

Our projected #1-4 relievers are currently injured, though Tazawa should be back soon.

 

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but a bullpen of Ziegler, Tazawa, Barnes, Hembree, Ross, Layne, Buchholz, and Kelly likely replacing one of those guys doesn't look half bad. How big is the Ziegler trade now?

 

The bullpen has looked pretty good since the Kimbrel implosion. Much of that has to do with the starting rotation doing its job over that stretch. If ERod can pitch like we hope he can, and Pomeranz pitches close to what he has so far this season, that not only stabilizes our rotation, but it helps to stabilize our pen as well.

 

Hopefully, Koji's injury isn't too serious.

 

YUGE.

 

I agree...the thought of losing Koji for any length of time isn't comforting, but I'm not jumping off a cliff, either. Some combination of the guys you listed should be able to hold things together.

[Kimmi]

Damn that DD and his win now mentality. What about the future!

 

This post has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

[Kimmi]

YUGE.

 

I agree...the thought of losing Koji for any length of time isn't comforting, but I'm not jumping off a cliff, either. Some combination of the guys you listed should be able to hold things together.

 

Yes, they should be able to, particularly if our starters can regularly go 6+ innings.

[a700hitter]

This post has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

Sure it does. It is a comment on DD's performance as GM. Lighten up.

[moonslav59]

Our projected #1-4 relievers are currently injured, though Tazawa should be back soon.

 

I'm assuming you mean before the year started.

 

Kimbrel

Uehara

C Smith

Tazawa

 

ON SP'ing, we also lost ERod to injury and struggles, Buch to struggles, Kelly to struggles & Injury, Johnson to anxiety, Owens & Elias to struggles.

 

This staff looks nothing like pre-season projections.

 

Maybe this was what many felt our 12 man staff would be:

 

SP1) Price

SP2) Porcello

SP3) ERod

SP4) Buchholz

SP5) Kelly

Swing) Wright/Owens/Elias

 

Closer) Kimbrel

RP2) Uehara

RP3) Smith

RP4) Tazawa

RP5) Ross

RP6) Layne

RP7) Workman/Ramirez/Hembree

 

 

[Jack Flap]

Koji to the DL, Noe Ramirez recalled.

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2016/07/20/koji-uehara-right-pectoral-strain-placed-on-15-day-dl-noe-ramirez-recalled/

[Dojji]

I believe it's an injury to the pectoral on the left (glove) side. That's the arm he was favoring when he came out. If that's the case didn't suffer an injury to a major load bearing part of his pitching mechanics, it was a glove arm injury.

 

This reads like a freak injury to me. As I understand it this injury could have happened on any pitch he threw regardless of how often he was used. How people can be so confident that this injury is wear-related I have no real idea.

 

It's like people are so sure that it's JF's fault that they rush to the forums to say "Ha! I told you so!" without taking any care to consider the real facts or make sure their story is straight. but naw, this is the Internet, and that could never happen here, right?

Edited July 20, 2016 by Dojji

[User Name]

Explain how you understand it Dr. Dojji.

[mvp 78]

I believe it's an injury to the pectoral on the left (glove) side. That's the arm he was favoring when he came out. If that's the case didn't suffer an injury to a major load bearing part of his pitching mechanics, this was an injury to his off-hand.

 

This reads like a freak injury to me. As I understand it this injury could have happened on any pitch he threw regardless of how often he was used. How people can be so confident that this injury is wear-related I have no real idea.

 

It's like people are so sure that it's JF's fault that they rush to the forums to say "Ha! I told you so!" without taking any care to consider the real facts. but naw, this is the Internet, and that could never happen here, right?

 

So the movement caused from him pitching didn't cause this injury and it is completely unrelated to him being in the game?

[a700hitter]

So the movement caused from him pitching didn't cause this injury and it is completely unrelated to him being in the game?

It could have and Farrell thinks that it might indeed have occurred while he was eating his morning cereal.

[Dojji]

I didn't say that. Anytime someone physically moves there's a potential for injury. but I see the odds being much greater that this is a freak injury that could have happened whenever he happened to pitch, rather than a mechanical breakdown due to overuse. If it had been anywhere on the load bearing structures of a pitcher, from the fingertips to the shoulders to the hips to the knees to the ankles and any of the muscles in between, that might be another matter, you could make a definite argument about wear related injury, and there's plenty there that can go awry. But a glove arm injury? An injury to the arm that's only used by pitchers when pitching as a counterweight? you guys sure you're barking up the right tree?

[a700hitter]

I was just joking.

[mvp 78]

It could have and Farrell thinks that it might indeed have occurred while he was eating his morning cereal.

 

Damn... Farrell needs to manage that cereal intake better.

 

#neverfarrell

[Youk Of The Nation]

So the movement caused from him pitching didn't cause this injury and it is completely unrelated to him being in the game?

 

He just said that the "injury could have happened on any pitch he threw regardless of how often he was used". He is literally saying the opposite of what you just said. All he was saying was, correctly, that this is an unusual and freak injury and not something we should all automatically blame on overuse or bad management.

[jonnylongfella]

It baffles me that Noe Ramirez keeps getting called up when injuries occur. There's no way you can convince me he's our best option for the pen. Pat Light is already on the 40 man, and I'm sure exposing Ramirez to waivers to remove him the 40 man roster to give someone else a crack at it would be a risk worth taking.

[mvp 78]

He just said that the "injury could have happened on any pitch he threw regardless of how often he was used". He is literally saying the opposite of what you just said. All he was saying was, correctly, that this is an unusual and freak injury and not something we should all automatically blame on overuse or bad management.

 

I'd wait to hear what Jacko says about it before accepting this diagnosis. Is any injury to an overused 41 year old really a "freak injury?"

[illinoisredsox]

I believe it's an injury to the pectoral on the left (glove) side. That's the arm he was favoring when he came out. If that's the case didn't suffer an injury to a major load bearing part of his pitching mechanics, it was a glove arm injury.

 

This reads like a freak injury to me. As I understand it this injury could have happened on any pitch he threw regardless of how often he was used. How people can be so confident that this injury is wear-related I have no real idea.

 

It's like people are so sure that it's JF's fault that they rush to the forums to say "Ha! I told you so!" without taking any care to consider the real facts or make sure their story is straight. but naw, this is the Internet, and that could never happen here, right?

 

Jack Flap's link above says right side pec, but I agree with you it seems like more of a freak thing than anything use related.

 

I'd be a lot more impressed with the critics if they had made their remarks prior to the last pitch to Posey. I double checked the game thread, not a peep. Right after the injury, sure, but nothing when Koji first came in.

[mvp 78]

Jack Flap's link above says right side pec, but I agree with you it seems like more of a freak thing than anything use related.

 

I'd be a lot more impressed with the critics if they had made their remarks prior to the last pitch to Posey. I double checked the game thread, not a peep. Right after the injury, sure, but nothing when Koji first came in.

 

If you truly believe that no one was worried about his overuse before, you'd be very mistaken.

[illinoisredsox]

If you truly believe that no one was worried about his overuse before, you'd be very mistaken.

 

No, that's a legit concern. I'm talking about the people blaming Farrell because it was a 4 run game and that he never should have been brought in ...

 

It sounds like the kind of thing that could have happened warming up in the pen, on the mound or on any pitch he threw and regardless of score. Frankly, it may have been lucky it happened in a 4 run game. How comfortable would anybody feel handing the ball off to Barnes or Layne in a 1 run game against the 2-3-4 guys in the lineup?

 

Edit - My remark about the critics probably would have been better in the Referendum on John Farrell thread.

Edited July 20, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[illinoisredsox]

I'd wait to hear what Jacko says about it before accepting this diagnosis. Is any injury to an overused 41 year old really a "freak injury?"

 

I'd call the one that ended an overused 40 year old's season last year freakish.

[mvp 78]

I'd call the one that ended an overused 40 year old's season last year freakish.

 

This may be going too far down the wormhole here, but my issue is that historically on Talksox too many injuries have been described as "freakish." Sometimes older guys are more likely to get injured? Maybe guys like Ellsbury are more likely to get injured which makes his injury history less "freakish?"

[mvp 78]

No, that's a legit concern. I'm talking about the people blaming Farrell because it was a 4 run game and that he never should have been brought in ...

 

It sounds like the kind of thing that could have happened warming up in the pen, on the mound or on any pitch he threw and regardless of score. Frankly, it may have been lucky it happened in a 4 run game. How comfortable would anybody feel handing the ball off to Barnes or Layne in a 1 run game against the 2-3-4 guys in the lineup?

 

Yeah, I honestly don't care who is in during a 4 run lead. If Kimbrel was available and had a fresh arm, he could have pitched.

 

If Koji was well rested and had a manageable workload, it would have been ok for him to be pitching last night. I was just worried that the innings were piling up fast and furious.

[illinoisredsox]

It baffles me that Noe Ramirez keeps getting called up when injuries occur. There's no way you can convince me he's our best option for the pen. Pat Light is already on the 40 man, and I'm sure exposing Ramirez to waivers to remove him the 40 man roster to give someone else a crack at it would be a risk worth taking.

 

That would be the same Pat Light of the 23.63 ERA with the big club? The 3.00 WHIP?

 

That would be the Pat Light who has walked 16 guys in 28 innings at Pawtucket? What has he done to merit a recall over Ramirez?

 

Noe Ramirez is not good, but he has at least gotten though a couple appearances in Boston without getting shelled. Frankly, we are talking about the #7 pitcher in the pen (I think Buchholz is #8 right now), so it's not like he's going to be used in a stress situation unless they get into a 15-16 inning game.

Edited July 20, 2016 by illinoisredsox