The Benintendi Thread

[jonnylongfella]

I think people will be surprised to see just how small Benintendi is.

 

I always can't remember why Greenwell's career ended so abruptly at age 32-33. He was still producing fairly well offensively.

 

I don't remember, either. As a kid at the time, I was probably more focused on what was or wasn't happening on the field, and very little thought went into the reasoning behind it like I do as an adult now.

 

Greenwell was a really good player though. Made a couple of all star appearances if my memory serves me well, and was even in the running for a MVP one year. Can't remember who won it that year, but whoever it was, I remember him having a monster/historic type of season.

[a700hitter]

His lack of capacity to adjust to adversity is exactly what I'm talking about. Benintendi is not just going to be here for the rest of this year. They have six seasons of controls over him.

I am not that concerned with the years of control. Do you think that is a big issue for the Red Sox?

[d-money]

Doesn't he have a quick bat? Betts's small but he generates alot of power with his wrist and bat speed.

[mvp 78]

I think people will be surprised to see just how small Benintendi is.

 

I always can't remember why Greenwell's career ended so abruptly at age 32-33. He was still producing fairly well offensively.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1005006&position=OF

 

He was a slower guy. After the 96 season, he went to Japan and hated being there. He decided that driving cars was more fun.

 

https://miscbaseball.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/mike-greenwell-leaving-the-red-sox/

 

The great Dan Duquette decided to move on from Roger and Gator. He replaced Gator with Wil Cordero, the domestic abuser. He didn't replace Roger the following season.

 

Woof.

[a700hitter]

I don't remember, either. As a kid at the time, I was probably more focused on what was or wasn't happening on the field, and very little thought went into the reasoning behind it like I do as an adult now.

 

Greenwell was a really good player though. Made a couple of all star appearances if my memory serves me well, and was even in the running for a MVP one year. Can't remember who won it that year, but whoever it was, I remember him having a monster/historic type of season.

 

 

Jose Canseco

[greenwell]

I don't remember, either. As a kid at the time, I was probably more focused on what was or wasn't happening on the field, and very little thought went into the reasoning behind it like I do as an adult now.

 

Greenwell was a really good player though. Made a couple of all star appearances if my memory serves me well, and was even in the running for a MVP one year. Can't remember who won it that year, but whoever it was, I remember him having a monster/historic type of season.

 

It was Canseco. Greenwell caused a bit of a stink when Canseco admitted to steroids saying he should get the MVP

[mvp 78]

I don't remember, either. As a kid at the time, I was probably more focused on what was or wasn't happening on the field, and very little thought went into the reasoning behind it like I do as an adult now.

 

Greenwell was a really good player though. Made a couple of all star appearances if my memory serves me well, and was even in the running for a MVP one year. Can't remember who won it that year, but whoever it was, I remember him having a monster/historic type of season.

 

1988. He lost to Canseco who was juiced out of his mind.

[mvp 78]

The mid-90's were terrible for Sox fans.

[mvp 78]

If there was a re-vote for the 1988 MVP, Puckett should have won it.

[mvp 78]

Jody Reed should have won ROY though.

[jonnylongfella]

1988. He lost to Canseco who was juiced out of his mind.

 

Yep. I definitely remembered it being historical, though. First ever 40/40 season will do that.

[Bellhorn04]

The great Dan Duquette decided to move on from Roger and Gator. He replaced Gator with Wil Cordero, the domestic abuser. He didn't replace Roger the following season.

Woof.

 

Of course Duquette didn't know Clemens was going to have such a great PED-fueled turnaround.

[mvp 78]

Yep. I definitely remembered it being historical, though. First ever 40/40 season will do that.

 

And his WAR was still only 5th highest in the AL that year.

[mvp 78]

Of course Duquette didn't know Clemens was going to have such a great PED-fueled turnaround.

 

That's just conjecture. We don't know if he was using with the Blue Jays or not.

[User Name]

I am not that concerned with the years of control. Do you think that is a big issue for the Red Sox?

 

If he's as good a talent as people think he is, having him regress and lose 3/4 of a season is a big deal. Not from a money or control perspective, but from a "winning ballgames" perspective, which should be goal 1, 1A and 1B.

[Eddy Ballgame]

The mid-90's were terrible for Sox fans.

 

More like 1991 to 1994. The Sox won the division title in '95 and soon after Nomar arrived.

[mvp 78]

More like 1991 to 1994. The Sox won the division title in '95 and soon after Nomar arrived.

 

I would include 1996 and 1997 as not the greatest of times. They were competitive in 96, but the atmosphere was garbage as Duquette was getting ready to tear down the roster.

[Bellhorn04]

That's just conjecture. We don't know if he was using with the Blue Jays or not.

 

McNamee testified that he started injecting Clemens in 1998.

[Eddy Ballgame]

I would include 1996 and 1997 as not the greatest of times. They were competitive in 96, but the atmosphere was garbage as Duquette was getting ready to tear down the roster.

1997 was Nomar's. I'll guess you weren't around for it, but he generated more excitement in Boston than any other player since arguably Ted Williams. It certainly wasn't a "terrible season."

[mvp 78]

1997 was Nomar's. I'll guess you weren't around for it, but he generated more excitement in Boston than any other player since arguably Ted Williams. It certainly wasn't a "terrible season."

 

It was a season they played below .500.

 

I was living less than 2 miles from the stadium at the time.

 

I guess you were asleep through it?

[mvp 78]

McNamee testified that he started injecting Clemens in 1998.

 

And how'd that court case turn out?

 

McNamee had his share of questionable issues too.

[Eddy Ballgame]

It was a season they played below .500.

 

I was living less than 2 miles from the stadium at the time.

 

I guess you were asleep through it?

 

Nope. Lived in Boston. You probably just "misremember" like your buddy Roger. Everyone was watching the Sox during Nomar's rookie year. Well...at least real fans who didn't jump on the bandwagon in '04.

[Bellhorn04]

And how'd that court case turn out?

 

It turned out bungled.

 

Clemens lied his ass off and got away with it IMHO.

[a700hitter]

That's just conjecture. We don't know if he was using with the Blue Jays or not.

It is conjecture, but Clemens did transform his physique in the 1996 -97 offseason. I was stunned when I saw him at Fenway in '97. I was pissed, because I thought, "why weren't you in this kind of shape when we had you." Also, Canseco was on our '96 team. It is conjecture, or let's call it smoke, but where there is smoke ... and there is a lot of smoke.

[Spudboy]

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1005006&position=OF

 

He was a slower guy. After the 96 season, he went to Japan and hated being there. He decided that driving cars was more fun.

 

https://miscbaseball.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/mike-greenwell-leaving-the-red-sox/

 

The great Dan Duquette decided to move on from Roger and Gator. He replaced Gator with Wil Cordero, the domestic abuser. He didn't replace Roger the following season.

 

Woof.

 

Cordero was a 2nd baseman, I believe.

[sk7326]

The Hobson years, 1992 to the strike sucked. After that, with some specific exceptions (1997) every team at least showed up in February looking like they could contend. We have the best pitcher (at least in terms of peak) in post-integration Red Sox history, and at minimum two of the ten best players in franchise history (I'd go 3) - which for this franchise is saying something.

[sk7326]

Conforto was a big contributor to the Mets 2015 World Series team. I wouldn't say that his promotion backfired. The kid came out smoking in his first season. This year he got bit by the Sophomore Slump -- pitchers adjusted to him, he didn't make adjustments and he fell into some bad habits. He went to the minors and is back.

 

And his manager did not want to play him through the bumps ... Conforto might still be good, but there is some org failure there. (as a Red Sox observer the last two seasons, this should sound familiar)

[a700hitter]

If he's as good a talent as people think he is, having him regress and lose 3/4 of a season is a big deal. Not from a money or control perspective, but from a "winning ballgames" perspective, which should be goal 1, 1A and 1B.

If the rest of their offense wasn't horseshit, they could ride out his slump. He was 4 for 45 against lefties with 0 extra base hits. It looks as if he has started to figure it out.

[sk7326]

Not much to add on the Benintendi promotion

 

Kids are all individuals. It's clear that he was tagged by the franchise as a guy to be promoted aggressively - and he has responded positively throughout. Clearly there will be adjustments as guys get tape on him and whatever - but kids differ in how much hand holding they need. The hypothesis here is that the answer for Benintendi is "not much".

 

Sometimes you get guys who look like studs who never get past the "off speed pitching" or whatever (Andy Marte, Lars Anderson), and then sometimes there are other guys who entered pro baseball with precious little experience in general who just gobble up everything. (Betts)

 

Key is that the org has a plan where the baseball operations dudes, and Farrell are on board and strong with. Farrell and the franchise has not had a good history here.

[Jack Flap]

Nope. Lived in Boston. You probably just "misremember" like your buddy Roger. Everyone was watching the Sox during Nomar's rookie year. Well...at least real fans who didn't jump on the bandwagon in '04.

 

Are you really arguing over someone describing a 78-84 season as "not the greatest of times"?