The Benintendi Thread

[cp176]

Everyone keeps talking about a period of adjustment. Let's hope Red Sox Nation actually allows that and doesn't start declaring him a bust if he has a few rough games at the start.

 

I really hope that DD doesn't give a rat's rumpus about what I think. The good ones tend to not pay too much attention to what is written or said about them.

[Hugh2]

Big difference is that Ellsbury started the season in AA and played considerable time in AAA. If Benintendi really followed Ells' path, he'd be brought up in 2017.

 

Good point, but hey I didn't say it was a perfect apples to apples comparison. No doubt he's being rushed, some guys make the adjustment quick others do not. Lets hope the move doesn't backfire on the sox.

[southpaw777]

Wait, wait, wait. He's not "dominating minor league baseball', he's dominating AA. There's a difference, most especially in the pitching. This is an enormous jump for him and there will undoubtedly be an adjustment period. Is that really what we need to do in the middle of a pennant race? Promote a AA player to the Majors and hope for the best??

 

Your over reacting dude...yes, he has dominated minor league ball to this point. Most scout will tell you if you can handle AA pitching, theres not a big jump from that to AAA... Since his minor adjustmentnperiod in AA hes had a 920OPS...thats pretty dominant...He was a college standout and most scouts saw a quick climb to MLB. This move is not surprising to a lot of people. Sure he may have a few game adjustment period like a lot of prospects. No big deal. Hes certainly got the mental makeup, from all accounts, to handle it.

We have Holt missing balls in LF as well as Martinez. Then theres brentz...do you really think a small adjustment period from Benni is going to be that harmful to the current LF lineup? Yeah, I didnt think so.

Edited August 2, 2016 by southpaw777

[User Name]

Who are these "most scouts" you're talking about? Most guys I've talked to have said that every player is different and promotions need to be handled on a case-to-case basis. Pitch selection and quality in AA is still not the same as MLB. If a guy can't handle certain breaking stuff, it usually doesn't show in AA where it's still a very fastball-heavy league.

[Hugh2]

Soxprospects has also detailed that Benintendi's LF defense is not ready for prime time.

 

http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/08/transaction-analysis-breaking-down_2.html

 

Sounds like he should be just as good as Brentz out there, it seems like he needs more familiarity with the monster. Lets just hope he's not overmatched at the plate.

[SoxnCycles]

Everyone keeps talking about a period of adjustment. Let's hope Red Sox Nation actually allows that and doesn't start declaring him a bust if he has a few rough games at the start.

 

AHAHAHAHA!

 

Is this your first visit to New England?

[Hugh2]

Who are these "most scouts" you're talking about? Most guys I've talked to have said that every player is different and promotions need to be handled on a case-to-case basis. Pitch selection and quality in AA is still not the same as MLB. If a guy can't handle certain breaking stuff, it usually doesn't show in AA where it's still a very fastball-heavy league.

 

Good points, most fans don't see the game this way but there is a big difference between hitting AA and hitting MLB and the mistake many make is they think the progression should be linear from player to player. It is not.

[southpaw777]

Who are these "most scouts" you're talking about? Most guys I've talked to have said that every player is different and promotions need to be handled on a case-to-case basis. Pitch selection and quality in AA is still not the same as MLB. If a guy can't handle certain breaking stuff, it usually doesn't show in AA where it's still a very fastball-heavy league.

 

Theres PLENTY of offspeed stuff, and really good stuff in AA...hes got solid pitch recognition. His k/BB is outstanding. I know its on a case to case basis and I believe this is the right move for their situation. If they had a reliable LFer then my guess is we wouldnt see Benni until sept...

[cp176]

Good points, most fans don't see the game this way but there is a big difference between hitting AA and hitting MLB and the mistake many make is they think the progression should be linear from player to player. It is not.

 

I find it hard to believe that most even casual fans wouldn't suspect there to be a huge difference between pitching at the AA and ml level.

[mvp 78]

I know this isn't going to sit well with some posters, but the more I'm reading about this the more I'm asking "Why?".

 

This guy has either been over-hyped or he's the greatest player since Mike Trout (or maybe before), and I'm very skeptical of that. From everything I'm reading and hearing he's 1) not ML ready defensively, and 2) will probably have an offensive adjustment period.

 

We're in the midst of a 3-team pennant race and we need to put the best available on the field every game. Given my #1 & #2 above, what's he going to do to help this team immediately?

 

The one thing he could do is provide stability to a position that has been in flux all year. If he can go out there and get reps every day, it's more than we can say about everyone else that has been thrown out there.

 

He does need to learn the position. He will have an adjustment period at the plate. He's apparently a hard worker, so we should just give him a little leeway while he gets acclimated.

[southpaw777]

Good points, most fans don't see the game this way but there is a big difference between hitting AA and hitting MLB and the mistake many make is they think the progression should be linear from player to player. It is not.

 

If your referring to me then please exclude me from that...Im VERY familiar with the minors and how things work. I understand theres a difference in AA to MLB. I also understand that Every player is different. Im saying I think Benni will be ok from what ive seen and read. Apparently so do the red sox..theres not much of a differnce from AA to AAA...obviously theres a bigger difference from AA to MLB...theres a need and since Benni has pretty much dominated minor leagues so far I dont see a need to hang out in AAA. Give him a shot and lets see what happens...an adjustment period is likely. How long it takes him to adjust will determine if he needs more time or not.

[mvp 78]

http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/08/transaction-analysis-breaking-down_2.html

 

Sounds like he should be just as good as Brentz out there, it seems like he needs more familiarity with the monster. Lets just hope he's not overmatched at the plate.

 

That's not saying much though.

[southpaw777]

Everyone keeps talking about a period of adjustment. Let's hope Red Sox Nation actually allows that and doesn't start declaring him a bust if he has a few rough games at the start.

 

Unfortunately your going to have those types in Boston. Ill stick to what i said about a month ago when I started this thread...I thought hed be up before September uf there was a need. and I thought once he came up, he would be here for good.

I still stand by that. Because i believe in the kid, doesnt mean im not realistic about the possibilities, good or bad. I just see more good with Benni than other prospects.

[d-money]

The one thing he could do is provide stability to a position that has been in flux all year. If he can go out there and get reps every day, it's more than we can say about everyone else that has been thrown out there.

 

He does need to learn the position. He will have an adjustment period at the plate. He's apparently a hard worker, so we should just give him a little leeway while he gets acclimated.

 

Seems like a smart guy too. I bet he's in the film room alot. I hope he makes a good transition.

[Hugh2]

I find it hard to believe that most even casual fans wouldn't suspect there to be a huge difference between pitching at the AA and ml level.

 

I meant that more from the progression being linear from player to player. Two players can have identical stat lines that will likely translate differently to higher levels. E.G. Players A & B can both have stat lines of .300/.380/.500 but player A might have average bat speed, he's able to feast on pitchers who don't throw as hard, can' t find the strike zone, or tip their pitches to close the gap to player B who has a much better chance of replicating that stat line at the next level.

 

What I meant was, fans just look at the box scores and say "ohhh if he can do that at the MLB level he's a superstar" but its' not that simple, scouting matters.

[S5Dewey]

I find it hard to believe that most even casual fans wouldn't suspect there to be a huge difference between pitching at the AA and ml level.

 

To those people who are saying that there's not a huge difference between AA and MLB pitching, I want to ask them this question: "How do you think a AA pitcher would fare in the Majors?"

[mvp 78]

'A couple of years ago, I had 60 at-bats, I was hitting .170, and everyone was ready to kill me, too. And what happened? Laser show. So, relax.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Hugh2]

If your referring to me then please exclude me from that...Im VERY familiar with the minors and how things work. I understand theres a difference in AA to MLB. I also understand that Every player is different. Im saying I think Benni will be ok from what ive seen and read. Apparently so do the red sox..theres not much of a differnce from AA to AAA...obviously theres a bigger difference from AA to MLB...theres a need and since Benni has pretty much dominated minor leagues so far I dont see a need to hang out in AAA. Give him a shot and lets see what happens...an adjustment period is likely. How long it takes him to adjust will determine if he needs more time or not.

 

No, I meant when I said when I said many fans. I feel many many of us, even the best of us who know better at time fall into that trap.

[southpaw777]

To those people who are saying that there's not a huge difference between AA and MLB pitching, I want to ask them this question: "How do you think a AA pitcher would fare in the Majors?"

 

Who has said theres not a difference? Because ive read nothing like that.

[Nick]

To those people who are saying that there's not a huge difference between AA and MLB pitching, I want to ask them this question: "How do you think a AA pitcher would fare in the Majors?"

 

You better alert the Sox management...

[S5Dewey]

Ok, now that you're done shuddering from my previous post, remember that this is exactly the transition in pitching quality that Beni will be making.

[SoxnCycles]

Unfortunately your going to have those types in Boston. Ill stick to what i said about a month ago when I started this thread...I thought hed be up before September uf there was a need. and I thought once he came up, he would be here for good.

I still stand by that. Because i believe in the kid, doesnt mean im not realistic about the possibilities, good or bad. I just see more good with Benni than other prospects.

 

Sucks that his fist few games are on the west coast.

 

Then again, that may be a good thing for him.

[Hugh2]

That's not saying much though.

 

Well, I meant as a floor I don't think he's going to worse than Brentz. He easily has the tool set to be better, it sounded like with a little more familiarity with the monster he should improve. I don't know how he's looked the last couple games in Portland. I want to go back and see when they scouted him.

[d-money]

If he goes 0-4 then people should not go crazy. Let him learn on the job.

[mvp 78]

Sucks that his fist few games are on the west coast.

 

Then again, that may be a good thing for him.

 

No, it sucks for the fans that have to stay up late to watch it. West coast games are the worst.

[Spudboy]

Nah, moonslav knows better.

 

Then again, this is and always has been DD's MO.

 

Don't forget that Brentz is a bum.

[southpaw777]

No, I meant when I said when I said many fans. I feel many many of us, even the best of us who know better at time fall into that trap.

 

Ok, sorry if i was sounding defensive...sometimes i get in that mode when on these boards. I understand all the possibilities. Thruth is we wont know until he gets here and has played a number of games. We need to see how well and quickly he can adjust...i really dont think theres a whole lot left for him in the minors. Maybe some, but with the need this team has and the poor overall performance coming from LF, i dont see much of a negative bringing him up right now.

Mental makeup is solid from all reports. Hard worker, lots of time in the film room. Hes a ballplayer, as they say. None of us can predict how a prospect will do. But from what we have to go on regarding Benni, Im ok with this.

[mvp 78]

Well, I meant as a floor I don't think he's going to worse than Brentz. He easily has the tool set to be better, it sounded like with a little more familiarity with the monster he should improve. I don't know how he's looked the last couple games in Portland. I want to go back and see when they scouted him.

 

I heard he had bad reads and angles, but was able to make up for it with his athleticism. Also, SMALL SAMPLE SIZE ALERT. He could be perfectly fine out there. Honestly, we won't know until we see it over the course of a month or so.

[d-money]

Can someone tell me the last prospect that did well for the sox coming up from double A?

[User Name]

I'll watch. I don't give a s***.