Sox Pitching Staff Discussion

[User Name]

Ask a pitching coach, and he'll tell you he'd rather see the consecutive homers and not the walks. Nothing pisses coaching staffs more than walks.

[CliffKlowers]

Four consecutive HRS by a pitcher would be similar to Tom Brady throwing four consecutive interceptions. In basketball, four airballs by Steph Curry.

[mvp 78]

For shits and giggles, if Clay walks the bases loaded and then gives up a bomb, is that only one bad pitch?

[User Name]

For shits and giggles, if Clay walks the bases loaded and then gives up a bomb, is that only one bad pitch?

 

That's the point right there.

[Dojji]

Similarly, if Buchholz walks the bases loaded and then escapes with his life thanks to a heroic play by the defense, how many bad pitches did he make?

[Bellhorn04]

In that last start Buchholz gave up 3 ER in 6 IP so he gets a bare minimum Quality Start. But he gave up 9 baserunners for a 1.5 WHIP, which is right on his overall WHIP for the year. So it wasn't a good start, no. He has to do better and soon.

[CliffKlowers]

My original point was what several NESN commentators said on the air. Clay in 3-4 outings was done in by one bad pitch and it mirrored my thoughts about those games. Call the NESN guys stupid and call me foolish if you wish to. I don't really care or enjoy arguing over minutia. If you hate Clay and wish him the worst then go ahead with that way of rooting. My way feels better - to me anyway.

[Kimmi]

and if any of that actually mattered teams would actually want him. there has been no suggestion from a non-Red Sox non-Boston source of any interest at all in obtaining Buchholz from the Red Sox. In other words no other team and the media in no other baseball market is thinking ''hey, we need to acquire Clay Buchholz, he can help us.''

 

Abstractions like WAR aside I find that very telling when considering his REAL value. As sick as i am of the sadistic carnival ride ride the guy has been for us, we're pretty much stuck with Buchholz, more's the pity

 

I am sure that there were teams that had interest in him during the offseason. There were teams that were interested in him at the trade deadline last season. Getting injured (again) didn't help his cause, but I'd bet teams still inquired about him over the offseason.

[Kimmi]

One of the many years he could only manage half a season. Oh joy!

 

That's not the point. We all know that he hasn't been able to stay healthy for a whole season. Despite that, he was well worth $13 mil. That's the bottom line.

[Kimmi]

If he had a positive WAR in 2014, the claculation is nonsense. Just look at his other stats. They are horrible. Until there is only one way to calculate WAR, it's a nonessential stat to me.

 

The calculation is not nonsense. He was below average that year, but better than replacement level, which is what his 1.5 WAR suggests.

 

As far as calling WAR a nonessential stat because there is more than one way to calculate it, by your reasoning, all stats should then be nonessential. Is a homerun in Petco the same as a homerun to right field in Yankee Stadium? Is a strike out by one umpire the same as a strike out by another umpire?

 

Both methods of calculating WAR actually correlate pretty well. Because there's more than one interpretation of how to best calculate it does not make it wrong or worthless. WAR works.

[Kimmi]

Riiiiiiiiight.

 

LOL Touche'.

 

The rest of my post stands, however.

[Kimmi]

but the fact that nobody's media is showing interest is telling.

 

I'd be willing to bet that if you searched all the other team's media outlets, you'd find some interest.

[Kimmi]

My original point was what several NESN commentators said on the air. Clay in 3-4 outings was done in by one bad pitch and it mirrored my thoughts about those games. Call the NESN guys stupid and call me foolish if you wish to. I don't really care or enjoy arguing over minutia. If you hate Clay and wish him the worst then go ahead with that way of rooting. My way feels better - to me anyway.

 

Clay gets no love on this site. I don't think his last outing was that great, but it wasn't as bad as some make it out to be. It's not the homeruns that have hurt him, but the walks preceding the homeruns.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's the body of work. He has been absolutely awful this yr. And in the prior seasons where he was awful, his advanced metrics pointed towards bad luck. This yr, his FIP and xFIP are all over 5. Yes, he has one bad inning. But it is an epically bad inning. ERod started throwing again. If he gets his stuff back, Clay is the one who hits the showers

[User Name]

A lot of people who have soured on Buchholz (this guy included) have done after being ardent defenders of the guy for years. I've personally been CB's personal defense system in this site since 2009. That's a lot of time waiting for him to put it all together.

[jacksonianmarch]

UN?, he's like Pineda. Huge stuff that jumps off the screen. Big, physical specimen capable of running up high velocities. Knee buckling breaking stuff. Advanced changes. But brittle as glass when they max out their stuff and they suck when they pull back a little. It's a conundrum. Either go all out and know they wont last half a season, or have a durable suckbag

[Slasher9]

An unearned homerun?

 

Was it a grand slam? No. He gave up 4 runs in the game but only 3 were earned. Hence....you do know that 1 of the runs was unearned, right?

[Slasher9]

I'm wondering if some of the high post count people on this site actually watch the games or simply get their info from sportscenter or their local sports talk radio mouth....

[iortiz]

Well I try to watch most of them everyday LOL!

 

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[Slasher9]

I like that setup you got!

[Youk Of The Nation]

Well I try to watch most of them everyday LOL!

 

Haha iortiz that is the most Mexican coffee table spread I have ever seen.

[iortiz]

Haha iortiz that is the most Mexican coffee table spread I have ever seen.

 

Hahaha my wife says that I'm crazy LOl!. She can't understand why I watch everyday so many games and at the same time LOL!

 

She always prepares me snack to watch the games, though. Yesterday she made guacamole. Love it with tostadas, cold beer and tequila.

Edited May 23, 2016 by iortiz

[iortiz]

I like that setup you got!

 

Thanks man.

[User Name]

I'm wondering if some of the high post count people on this site actually watch the games or simply get their info from sportscenter or their local sports talk radio mouth....

 

Let's say we don't (everyone here watches most games, but let's humor you). Do we need to watch the games to know CB is sucking?

[Youk Of The Nation]

I'm wondering if some of the high post count people on this site actually watch the games or simply get their info from sportscenter or their local sports talk radio mouth....

 

What does post count have to do with anything? This is about the dozenth time that someone from the old BDC boards has used "high post count" as a pejorative term. Most of the people on this site with high post counts have been here a long time. I've been here for 11 years, a700hitter has as well. Jacksonianmarch has been here way too long, most of our other regular members have been here for at least 5 years, most of them more. You accumulate a lot of posts in that amount of time. It has nothing to do with knowledge of baseball or the enjoyment of games.

[a700hitter]

I rarely miss a Red Sox game. If I can't see it live, I DVR it and watch it. I watch large portions of many other games, more Mets games than other teams.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I rarely miss a Red Sox game. If I can't see it live, I DVR it and watch it. I watch large portions of many other games, more Mets games than other teams.

 

I'm actually going to a Mets game next month. My Dad is a Pirates fan (lapsed, he stopped following baseball regularly after the 1994 strike), and he hasn't been to a game since about 2002-2003. We used to visit family in the Pittsburgh area once or twice a summer and go to games. We went to probably seven or eight games from 1999-2007 or so, and they lost every single one. We're going to a Mets-Pirates game at Citi Field, it will be nice to actually go to a Pirates game in the early summer where they haven't already been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

[a700hitter]

I'm actually going to a Mets game next month. My Dad is a Pirates fan (lapsed, he stopped following baseball regularly after the 1994 strike), and he hasn't been to a game since about 2002-2003. We used to visit family in the Pittsburgh area once or twice a summer and go to games. We went to probably seven or eight games from 1999-2007 or so, and they lost every single one. We're going to a Mets-Pirates game at Citi Field, it will be nice to actually go to a Pirates game in the early summer where they haven't already been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

Citifield is a good place to watch a game. Let me know which game you will be going to see. I go to several games at CitiField.

[a700hitter]

I have heard that PNC Park is a very nice ballpark. What are your thoughts about it?

[Youk Of The Nation]

I have heard that PNC Park is a very nice ballpark. What are your thoughts about it?

 

It's awesome. Clean, spacious, affordable, everything you could want in a modern ballpark. It doesn't have the history of a lot of other parks (Fenway, Wrigley, the original Yankee Stadium), but it really was a great place to go. It's a shame that their first decade of operation lacked a competitive team to bring in enough fans to make it worthwhile. I can't even imagine what it's like now that the Pirates are contenders, when the stadium is almost full. There are few things greater than 30 thousand baseball fans making a stadium shake and deafening you whenever a HR is hit.