Sox Pitching Staff Discussion

[illinoisredsox]

If Buchholz can't win a game before the All-Star break the Sox have a big decision to make. They can't keep rolling him out there.

 

They already sent him back to the pen. With today's off day, the all-star break and another off day on the 18th, they won't need a 5th starter until July 24th. I expect they will have brought someone in via trade by then, or they will tap another minor leaguer.

 

If Buchholz remains on the roster for the rest of this season, I think the only way he starts again is in an emergency (like somebody gets sick on the way to the park) or maybe one game of a doubleheader during a very full week of games. Otherwise, he's strictly a long reliever and will pitch only in games that get away early or extra innings when they've used everyone else.

Edited July 7, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[Kimmi]

And then who's the #2?

 

Buchholz

[Kimmi]

Making s*** up about what others have said about Buchholz is whining.

You usually have a big problem with people making s*** up.

I guess it depends on who it is.

 

Fans were willing to give Buchholz one more shot this season and he blew it.

No one thinks he's going to get better.

No one wants him back next year.

Most fans with a brain realize Buchholz would've been in the pen in May, if there were a viable alternative.

 

Thank you.

[mvp 78]

I was referring to MVP's post.

 

Yes, I know you don't like my way of a making point.

I suspect because it's so much like your own.

Tough s***.

 

I didn't make up anything in that post.

 

OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS MAKE ME ANGRY. SMASH. ROAR.

 

We get it dude...

[mvp 78]

I'm actually kind of hoping the Sox pick up his option again, just so we can continue these debates for another year.

 

It's definitely going to happen.

[Kimmi]

there is a bit of a difference Kimmi.

when your "Ace" is on the mound you dont expect the tone of the game to be set by:

HR

single

BB

single

before a single out is made.

being down 2-0 before your team even comes up to bat is what is expected from Clay Buchholz. not the "Ace".....

 

Oh, I agree. That's the overall point I was trying to make in my post between Price and Wright.

 

That said, I really can't complain about Price's last outing. I don't like that he put the team in a 0-2 hole to start the game, and I don't like that he gave the Rangers the lead a 2nd time (I do expect my ace to be a shut down pitcher), but the Rangers are a tough offense and Price battled through 8 innings, saving the pen. In most cases, that's good enough to win.

[mvp 78]

Clay's doesnt look so bad?.....

 

Almost everyone they've thrown out there has looked bad.

[mvp 78]

And then who's the #2?

 

There isn't a #2 currently on the team that we could count on in the playoffs.

[SoxnCycles]

I didn't make up anything in that post.

 

OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS MAKE ME ANGRY. SMASH. ROAR.

 

We get it dude...

 

Nope, poeple making stuff up, just to beat a dead horse, makes me frustrated.

Sue me.

[mvp 78]

Nope, poeple making stuff up, just to beat a dead horse, makes me frustrated.

Sue me.

 

I'd never sue anyone. I'm an accountant. We hate when lawyers get involved.

[SoxnCycles]

Almost everyone they've thrown out there has looked bad.

 

Even Price???

 

Someone is going to be pissed.

[mvp 78]

Even Price???

 

Someone is going to be pissed.

 

I would say he has looked ok, but not what is expected of him. Going 8 innings and giving up 3 ER's is good against the Rangers. I can't complain about that. However, he's paid to go down to Tampa and shut down those AAAA hitters. He didn't and that kinda sucks. He's been a real mixed bag even if you ignore his contract. He was brought in to be the leader of the staff, not to be Mark Buehrle.

[SoxnCycles]

Thank you.

 

Repeatedly beating posters over something that was said last year is fine, but heaven forbid someone criticize what was said in yesterday's game thread.

 

This place is weird, sometimes.

[Spudboy]

No, it isn't. Expecting him to maintain a low-2 ERA was never realistic...I just hope the pendulum doesn't swing too far back in the other direction.

 

I pointed this out last week but no one picked up on it. Wright has never gone over 140 something innings. That's it. Maybe he is fatigued? Maybe the two games pitched in rain and another two games where the thermometer was hovering around 100 F had something to do with it?

 

Judicious use of his fastball seems to be vital.

 

The thing is, no one, and I mean no one, other than another knuckler, has any idea what is going on with a knuckleballer. That has been confirmed by each team that has one, I believe.

 

I think that Wright is approaching uncharted waters and really does not know what to expect himself. I think that the Sox should be cautious with his innings. Farrell left him in about 1 inning too long last night and the box score reflect this.

[SoxnCycles]

They already sent him back to the pen. With today's off day, the all-star break and another off day on the 18th, they won't need a 5th starter until July 24th. I expect they will have brought someone in via trade by then, or they will tap another minor leaguer.

 

If Buchholz remains on the roster for the rest of this season, I think the only way he starts again is in an emergency (like somebody gets sick on the way to the park) or maybe one game of a doubleheader during a very full week of games. Otherwise, he's strictly a long reliever and will pitch only in games that get away early or extra innings when they've used everyone else.

 

If Buchholz has to make another start this team is really screwed.

[Spudboy]

What exactly did I make up? Please enlighten me. Also, can you not make a single point (in a discussion you're not a part of, not less) without coming off like an attack of hemorrhoids on a trip to China?

 

Be careful now. We have sensitive ears on Talksox. Some folks are offended by ANALogies that involve the butt hole.

[Bellhorn04]

Why is that cagey? He has not flip-flopped, nor has he said anything false.

 

Cagey = shrewd.

[Spudboy]

I'm actually kind of hoping the Sox pick up his option again, just so we can continue these debates for another year.

 

I KNEW IT!!!!!!1!1!

[Bellhorn04]

Repeatedly beating posters over something that was said last year is fine, but heaven forbid someone criticize what was said in yesterday's game thread.

 

This place is weird, sometimes.

 

As opposed to all the other internet forums which are bastions of normalcy and common sense.

[SoxnCycles]

As opposed to all the other internet forums which are bastions of normalcy and common sense.

 

Nope, there's nothing normal about any of them.

[mvp 78]

I pointed this out last week but no one picked up on it. Wright has never gone over 140 something innings. That's it. Maybe he is fatigued? Maybe the two games pitched in rain and another two games where the thermometer was hovering around 100 F had something to do with it?

 

Judicious use of his fastball seems to be vital.

 

The thing is, no one, and I mean no one, other than another knuckler, has any idea what is going on with a knuckleballer. That has been confirmed by each team that has one, I believe.

 

I think that Wright is approaching uncharted waters and really does not know what to expect himself. I think that the Sox should be cautious with his innings. Farrell left him in about 1 inning too long last night and the box score reflect this.

 

With Wright, condensation is a big problem. If it's too hot, the sweat affects his grip. If it rains, he's useless. He was good last night. I believe Farrell has to be aware of when the tide turns on Wright and get him out there before he runs into trouble.

[Spudboy]

With Wright, condensation is a big problem. If it's too hot, the sweat affects his grip. If it rains, he's useless. He was good last night. I believe Farrell has to be aware of when the tide turns on Wright and get him out there before he runs into trouble.

 

That is what I meant by it being so hot. He has said that sweat as well as rain compromises his grip. And I am okay with six innings from him if he can keep the team in the game. It's nice when he goes 8 but not necessary especially when the innings contribute to his fatigue.

[User Name]

I was referring to MVP's post.

 

Yes, I know you don't like my way of a making point.

I suspect because it's so much like your own.

Tough s***.

 

Not.at.all.

 

Wanna know why? Because I actually actively engage in/create baseball discussion. You just jump in on active discussions to fan the flames when there's conflict. Not quite trollish, but right on the borderline.

[User Name]

Cagey = shrewd.

 

Cagey: Someone unwilling to commit to a point. AKA, speaking out of both sides of one's mouth.

[Slasher9]

Not.at.all.

 

Wanna know why? Because I actually actively engage in/create baseball discussion. You just jump in on active discussions to fan the flames when there's conflict. Not quite trollish, but right on the borderline.

 

you have started exactly 1 (one) non game thread thus far in 2016. "create" seems a bit disingenuous.

[harmony]

Harmony is cagey though. He points out that 'Buchholz-Miley choice' was never confirmed, only speculated. But then he makes a case for why the M's would have preferred Miley given the choice.

Some might call it cagey while others would call it precision writing.

 

I merely corrected this misinformation:

 

And it was reported widely (we've had this discussion before) that the Mariners were offered one of Miley/Buchholz in the deal. They chose Miley.

 

I've seen no report that Seattle was "offered one of Miley/Buchholz in the deal" but I remain open to yet-undisclosed evidence.

[User Name]

you have started exactly 1 (one) non game thread thus far in 2016. "create" seems a bit disingenuous.

 

So starting baseball discussion is relegated to creating threads? I am enlightened by this new information.

[User Name]

Some might call it cagey while others would call it precision writing.

 

I merely corrected this misinformation:

 

 

 

I've seen no report that Seattle was "offered one of Miley/Buchholz in the deal" but I remain open to yet-undisclosed evidence.

 

Not talking about any sort of indisputable fact. I am saying your opinion has flip-flopped as the discussion has evolved, and it has.

[harmony]

Not talking about any sort of indisputable fact. I am saying your opinion has flip-flopped as the discussion has evolved, and it has.

I have consistently posted that in my opinion the Mariners would prefer Wade Miley over Clay Buchholz if given the choice. I welcome evidence to the contrary.

[User Name]

I have consistently posted that in my opinion the Mariners would prefer Wade Miley over Clay Buchholz if given the choice. I welcome evidence to the contrary.

 

In the prior discussion, your POV was that (and you brought evidence) that the Sox had indeed offered up Clay and Miley, but the M's chose Miley. Now, negotiations were widely reported, but the Buch/Miley angle was pure media speculation. Which is it?