2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[mvp 78]

I understand Teheran is a hot commodity, and honestly, I can't blame the Braves for wanting a big return for him, I just wouldn't make that deal personally. To be honest, I'm at the point of declaring the top five off limits unless a true superstar with several years of control becomes available, and I don't see that guy out there right now.

 

I agree. We hear so much about this organization's failure to develop pitching prospects...I'm in no rush to deal away one of the two guys (three, when Groome signs) in the system who have legitimate TOTR potential.

 

Where can I sign up for your newsletter, because I'm 100% on board with this.

[Nick]

Trade Pedroia. Fire Farrell. Put Buchholz on waivers...mvp

 

Wasn't there a country song that said 'two out of three ain't bad'?

[mvp 78]

Trade Pedroia. Fire Farrell. Put Buchholz on waivers...mvp

 

Wasn't there a country song that said 'two out of three ain't bad'?

 

Hey, if you want to keep Farrell around, I guess that's ok with me...

[Nick]

Big Apology.....song by Meatloaf....geez

 

Edited July 8, 2016 by Nick

[harmony]

Julio Teheran is one day older today than Josh Beckett was in November 2005 when the Red Sox traded top prospects Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez (and two others) to the Marlins for Beckett, Guillermo Mota and the then-underwater contract of Mike Lowell.

 

Beckett came with two years of team control while Teheran remains under team control for three-and-a-half years at a bargain rate with a team option for an additional year.

 

Here are the stat lines for Beckett at the time of the trade and for Teheran today (with all stats compiled while pitching for a National League East team):

 

JB 106 G, 103 GS, 609.0 IP, 3.46 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 118 ERA+, 10.7 bWAR, 13.7 fWAR

JT 120 G, 117 GS, 746.0 IP, 3.33 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 113 ERA+, 12.0 bWAR, 8.5 fWAR

 

In 2006 Baseball America ranked Ramirez and Sanchez No. 30 and No. 40 on its Top 100 prospect list after ranking Ramirez No. 10 the previous year.

 

Given the comps, especially the years of team control, the Braves would not be unreasonable in demanding a top Red Sox prospect or two in exchange for Teheran.

[mvp 78]

Julio Teheran is one day older today than Josh Beckett was in November 2005 when the Red Sox traded top prospects Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez (and two others) to the Marlins for Beckett, Guillermo Mota and the then-underwater contract of Mike Lowell.

 

Beckett came with two years of team control while Teheran remains under team control for three-and-a-half years at a bargain rate with a team option for an additional year.

 

Here are the stat lines for Beckett at the time of the trade and for Teheran today (with all stats compiled while pitching for a National League East team):

 

JB 106 G, 103 GS, 609.0 IP, 3.46 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 118 ERA+, 10.7 bWAR, 13.7 fWAR

JT 120 G, 117 GS, 746.0 IP, 3.33 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 113 ERA+, 12.0 bWAR, 8.5 fWAR

 

In 2006 Baseball America ranked Ramirez and Sanchez No. 30 and No. 40 on its Top 100 prospect list after ranking Ramirez No. 10 the previous year.

 

Given the comps, especially the years of team control, the Braves would not be unreasonable in demanding a top Red Sox prospect or two in exchange for Teheran.

 

Is Atlanta going to give us Mike Lowell too?

[harmony]

Is Atlanta going to give us Mike Lowell too?

At the time of the trade, nearly 32-year-old Mike Lowell was owed $18 million over two years coming off a 0.1 fWAR season.

 

Today's equivalent might be 32-year-old Atlanta outfielder Nick Markakis with an annual salary of $10.5 million through 2018 and an fWAR of 0.3 so far this season.

[Hugh2]

At the time of the trade, then 31-year-old Mike Lowell was owed $18 million over two years coming off a 0.1 fWAR season.

 

Today's equivalent might be Atlanta outfielder Nick Markakis with an annual salary of $10.5 million through 2018 with an fWAR of 0.3 so far this season.

 

Would you trade Anderson Espinoza and Andrew Benintendi + another lower level prospect for Julio Teheran???

[harmony]

Would you trade Anderson Espinoza and Andrew Benintendi + another lower level prospect for Julio Teheran???

I like the symmetry of a trade of Anderson Espinoza, Andrew Benintendi and a lower-level prospect for Julio Teheran and Nick Markakis.

 

Benintendi reminds me of a young Markakis, another lefthand-hitting, lefthand-throwing outfielder taken with the No. 7 pick of an MLB draft (with a Mediterranean-sounding surname to boot).

 

The Braves get younger versions of their traded players while the Red Sox get an All Star starting pitcher and another option in the outfield.

[User Name]

That is a terrible trade for the Red Sox. And for all the pining for Teheran, he was terrible last year, and is comfortably outpitching his peripherals this year. No thanks.

[moonslav59]

Julio Teheran is one day older today than Josh Beckett was in November 2005 when the Red Sox traded top prospects Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez (and two others) to the Marlins for Beckett, Guillermo Mota and the then-underwater contract of Mike Lowell.

 

Beckett came with two years of team control while Teheran remains under team control for three-and-a-half years at a bargain rate with a team option for an additional year.

 

Here are the stat lines for Beckett at the time of the trade and for Teheran today (with all stats compiled while pitching for a National League East team):

 

JB 106 G, 103 GS, 609.0 IP, 3.46 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 118 ERA+, 10.7 bWAR, 13.7 fWAR

JT 120 G, 117 GS, 746.0 IP, 3.33 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 113 ERA+, 12.0 bWAR, 8.5 fWAR

 

In 2006 Baseball America ranked Ramirez and Sanchez No. 30 and No. 40 on its Top 100 prospect list after ranking Ramirez No. 10 the previous year.

 

Given the comps, especially the years of team control, the Braves would not be unreasonable in demanding a top Red Sox prospect or two in exchange for Teheran.

 

One thing missing here: Beckett's playoff performance in 2003:

 

42.2 IP

10 ER (2.11 ERA)

21 H

12 BB

47 Ks

Including beating the Yanks in the WS.

 

Beckett was a "money pitcher" and up until 2008 was on pace to become one of the best playoff SP'ers of all time.

 

Then, the cliff.

 

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[Emp9]

LOL This has nothing to do with baseball, but I'm wondering why I'm reading so many Richard Gere references suddenly. This is the 3rd one since yesterday.

 

Lol I know. I was busting on Maxbialystock a little bit. He had me cracking up.

[mvp 78]

I like the symmetry of a trade of Anderson Espinoza, Andrew Benintendi and a lower-level prospect for Julio Teheran and Nick Markakis.

 

Benintendi reminds me of a young Markakis, another lefthand-hitting, lefthand-throwing outfielder taken with the No. 7 pick of an MLB draft (with a Mediterranean-sounding surname to boot).

 

The Braves get younger versions of their traded players while the Red Sox get an All Star starting pitcher and another option in the outfield.

 

Espinoza and Benintendi are way more highly regarded than Hanley and Annibel Sanchez were.

[harmony]

Espinoza and Benintendi are way more highly regarded than Hanley and Annibel Sanchez were.

So far Andrew Benintendi and Anderson Espinoza have topped out at No. 15 and No. 19 on Baseball America's preseason Top 100 prospect list (and at No. 9 and No. 15 on BA's midseason list released today), while Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez topped out at No. 10 and No. 40 on BA preseason lists.

 

All four were highly regarded prospects.

[Hugh2]

So far Andrew Benintendi and Anderson Espinoza have topped out at No. 15 and No. 19 on Baseball America's preseason Top 100 prospect list (and at No. 9 and No. 15 on BA's midseason list released today), while Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez topped out at No. 10 and No. 40 on BA preseason lists.

 

All four were highly regarded prospects.

 

So the sum of these two prospects rankings are twice as high as Hanley and Sanchez, also you 're comparing rankings from a decade apart.

 

I like your response coining the phrase "symmetry" but specifically if you were a GM would you make that trade? without just looking at a number, taking into account the scouting reports and how each projects as well.

[Emp9]

Well, looks like Matt Harvey will be a Met for a little while longer. If Wheeler showed promise coming back, I thought for sure Harvey would've been trade bait. It's ok though, he was my least favorite of that staff.

[mvp 78]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/Guardians-trade-michael-martinez-red-sox.html

[Emp9]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/Guardians-trade-michael-martinez-red-sox.html

 

But Can he pitch?

 

Seems like they're just trying to take care of what they can as far as smaller needs for the moment. I couldn't see the whole link so my stomach got some butterflies thinking it was some big trade. Lol You tricked me.

[mvp 78]

But Can he pitch?

 

Seems like they're just trying to take care of what they can as far as smaller needs for the moment. I couldn't see the whole link so my stomach got some butterflies thinking it was some big trade. Lol You tricked me.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/red-sox-designate-sean-coyle.html

 

The hits keep coming.

[Emp9]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/red-sox-designate-sean-coyle.html

 

The hits keep coming.

 

Awesome. Our batting average just went up ... very slightly.

[harmony]

So the sum of these two prospects rankings are twice as high as Hanley and Sanchez, also you 're comparing rankings from a decade apart.

I like your response coining the phrase "symmetry" but specifically if you were a GM would you make that trade? without just looking at a number, taking into account the scouting reports and how each projects as well.

We're also comparing trades a decade apart.

 

The difference in years of team control -- two years for Josh Beckett vs. four-and-a-half years for Julio Teheran -- should offset any slight difference in prospect rankings.

 

If I were the Atlanta GM I would make the trade if Nick Markakis were included. As the Boston GM I would make the trade because it could address immediate and long-term needs. I don't see an impact starter coming up through the Red Sox farm system in the near future. Teheran's modest contract would not raise luxury tax issues that a free agent starter could (if an impact free agent starter were available in the offseason).

[mvp 78]

Awesome. Our batting average just went up ... very slightly.

 

Trader Davey!

[Nick]

HELL NO to the Atlanta deal...are you f***ing nuts?

[Hugh2]

We're also comparing trades a decade apart.

 

The difference in years of team control -- two years for Josh Beckett vs. four-and-a-half years for Julio Teheran -- should offset any slight difference in prospect rankings.

 

If I were the Atlanta GM I would make the trade if Nick Markakis were included. As the Boston GM I would make the trade because it could address immediate and long-term needs. I don't see an impact starter coming up through the Red Sox farm system in the near future. Teheran's modest contract would not raise luxury tax issues that a free agent starter could (if an impact free agent starter were available in the offseason).

 

Every trade and situation is different. What did Texas give up for Cole Hamels at the deadline last year? a better pitcher with a much better track record. Also, elite pitching is more valuable than elite hitting. Espinoza is being talked about as the best possible pitching prospect right now. He still ranks behind Urias, but some scouts are starting to say they see a higher ceiling in him.

 

Every trade and every situation is different, needs and farm system depth also need to be considered. A team willing to go for it my be more willing to deal top prospects. DD has a reputation of trading but also hoarding.....I highly doubt he'd trade both Espinoza and Benintendi unless it's in a package to get a TOTRS back.

[Hugh2]

I think the odds that Espinoza is included in any trade is slim to none, with a much better shot if it's part of a larger package for a #1. If the Sox sign Groome, I think the odds are still against it but they may go up.

[bowman]

For Teharen I might give up Devers, Owens, Swihart, but No way on Espinosa,Kopech, or the others. A guy that can hit 103 mph at 20 yrs old and Espinoza no way. If were talking about a young established number 1 then lets talk about are top prospects. Otherwise Atlanta can go screw...

[NativeBostonian]

For Teharen I might give up Devers, Owens, Swihart, but No way on Espinosa,Kopech, or the others. A guy that can hit 103 mph at 20 yrs old and Espinoza no way. If were talking about a young established number 1 then lets talk about are top prospects. Otherwise Atlanta can go screw...

 

I don't know why I keep seeing and hearing people put Owens in a trade for a good starter, like he has value. He doesn't bring anything to a trade anymore. Two years ago, yes. But, now that he's constantly proven he can't handle the bigs, no. Swihart isn't getting this done either. You're probably going to see JBJ get traded.

Edited July 8, 2016 by NativeBostonian

[Hugh2]

I'd consider Kopech, Devers, Owens for Teheran...especially if we can get a lower level prospect back in the deal as well.

[bowman]

Maybe Kopech straight up for Teheren. As far as Owens goes, look at his age, a lot of teams with a good pitching coach would be glad to take him off our hands. Don't devaluate the few stud young pitchers we have like Kopech. I'm not getting screwed over for Teheren who could morph into Joe Kelly.

[Hugh2]

I'd inquire on the price of guys like Tanner Roark, or Drew Pomeranz. I'm not as low on Teheran as others here but I don't think he has any more upside than who he is now. He could help the rotation but they'd still need an ACE or Price to step it up in the 2nd half.