2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[User Name]

Can you stop being an annoying f***ing troll? What the f*** is wrong with you? What moon does or doesn't do in his free time is none of your f***ing business. Stop trolling or GTFO jackass.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

can you stop being an annoying f***ing troll? What the f*** is wrong with you? What moon does or doesn't do in his free time is none of your f***ing business. Stop trolling or gtfo jackass.

 

gfu!

[S5Dewey]

In the words of our old pal Kingface, Tick...tock...tick....tock.

[moonslav59]

No doubt, because people actually have fun in the places I go.

 

Then, you woke up.

[harmony]

Some of those guys were extensions. I was trying to focus more on the idea of viewing big FA signings as the answer to a team's biggest problems. Also, to highlight just how hard it is to choose wisely when making a big signing.

 

So many posters cry for the next big signing, then blame the GM for "choosing wrongly" when the odds are greatly stacked against "choosing wisely". It's like the movie War Games, where the best choice is "not to play the game".

 

I'll take your choice of Cano. No doubt he's helped the M's greatly, but it's a 10 year deal on a team with a restricted budget. Plus, when you look at the early years of his deal, when the most was expected from him, he still has not given the M's the same WAR he had given the Yanks in the prior 4 years with the Yanks:

6.3 2010

5.1 2011

7.6 2012

5.8 2013

24.8/4 years= 6.2 avg

 

with M's:

5.2 2014

2.1 2015

3.1 in 1/2 of 2016

10.4/ 2.5 yrs= 4.1 avg

 

I think the M's expected better than a 4.1 WAR pace over his first 3 years. They expected better knowing they'd probably get worse down the back 4-5 years of his deal.

 

Yeah, the value page on fangraph's might say he was "worth it", but can you honestly say he's produced like they hoped he would have? Like they expected him to produce?

 

Right now, I can see the argument for saying he's been an overall "plus signing", but not a clear success, and by the end of the 10 years, my guess is the signing will be viewed as an overall negative. And, he's a guy we point to as an example of a signing working for the team!

 

I know it's hard for you to do, but forget the fangraph value page for a moment, look over the list of just the top 60 or so FA signings on my list, and tell me how many were clear success signings and how many were plus signings based on team expectations and how much these players helped their team win a ring or significantly improve to the point where they got close to winning it all..

 

I too disfavor long-term contracts and agree that most don't produce value in the end. I was opposed to the Robinson Cano and Nelson Cruz contracts at the time of each signing.

 

With the exception of his injured-marred first half of the 2015 season, the Mariners have pretty much gotten what they wanted from Cano, who produced 5.2 fWAR in 2014 and who is on pace for 6.1 fWAR this year. The contract will look great if Cano ages like David Ortiz or Adrian Beltre but poor if Cano ages like Prince Fielder.

 

In the free agent market, the bottom line is that mediocrity is costly and excellence is costlier.

Edited July 3, 2016 by harmony

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

In the words of our old pal Kingface, Tick...tock...tick....tock.

 

Incorrect once again.....

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Then, you woke up.

 

Not quite..........

[moonslav59]

Not quite..........

 

That's right; you're still in a dream-like state.

[Nick]

Hey Moon , how about a game of chess?

[bosoxmal]

What happened to ol' Kinface. I miss him! I want to tell him how and why the Sox should shake up their batting order order, and why Leon and Hernandez should have regular jobs!

[moonslav59]

What happened to ol' Kinface. I miss him! I want to tell him how and why the Sox should shake up their batting order order, and why Leon and Hernandez should have regular jobs!

 

Like when he wanted to demote Mookie last spring just before he caught on fire?

[moonslav59]

Hey Moon , how about a game of chess?

 

My roommate in college was a chess master. Maybe a game of "go fish"?

 

LOL

[S5Dewey]

What happened to ol' Kinface. I miss him! I want to tell him how and why the Sox should shake up their batting order order, and why Leon and Hernandez should have regular jobs!

 

I have no idea what happened to Kingface. He just kinda disappeared. I read and post both on this forum and the one referred to as BDC2 and he's not on either of them. Too bad, too. I didn't always agree with King but he kept the conversations going.

[Nick]

Anyone that can remember the original War Games movie is ok by my book.....the computers were HUGE back then....

[moonslav59]

I too disfavor long-term contracts and agree that most don't produce value in the end.

 

Very true, but a surprising amount of the big signings over history didn't even produce expected values early in the contracs.

[moonslav59]

Anyone that can remember the original War Games movie is ok by my book.....the computers were HUGE back then....

 

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

 

It's kind of how I feel about playing the game of high stakes free agent signing.

[Nick]

Our bullpen needs lot of work.....maybe Kelly can come back and pitch effectively out of pen.

[moonslav59]

Our bullpen needs lot of work.....maybe Kelly can come back and pitch effectively out of pen.

 

Let's hope so, but as you pointed out, our pen may need a lot of work.

 

Good thing RP'ers are plentiful around the deadline.

[Nick]

Just curious how many pitches does Wright throw on off days/in between starts?

 

Here's a novel idea...why waste it? use him for couple of innings in between starts.

 

Did anyone see where Tazawa said that he gets tired due to all the warming up he does and doesn't get called to pitch.

[Maxbialystock]

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

 

It's kind of how I feel about playing the game of high stakes free agent signing.

 

Great line, and I'm inclined to agree.

[Kimmi]

Great line, and I'm inclined to agree.

 

I second this.

[User Name]

Just curious how many pitches does Wright throw on off days/in between starts?

 

Here's a novel idea...why waste it? use him for couple of innings in between starts.

 

Did anyone see where Tazawa said that he gets tired due to all the warming up he does and doesn't get called to pitch.

 

Because high-leverage pitching and bullpens are not the same thing. At all.

[Spudboy]

Because high-leverage pitching and bullpens are not the same thing. At all.

 

And the Sox need for quality starts far exceeds their immediate need for a reliever.

[Jasonbay44]

We shouldn't mess with Wright at all. He is one of the very few pitchers on this team whose having a good season.

[moonslav59]

We shouldn't mess with Wright at all. He is one of the very few pitchers on this team whose having a good season.

 

b-i-n-g-o!

[SoxnCycles]

Did you ever sit at a bar and watch a game with other patrons of the bar?

 

This is the closest to that experience that you can come.

 

Yup.

That's why I stay away from it.

Sitting in a bar with half-drunk fans is a lousy experience.

[Kimmi]

And the Sox need for quality starts far exceeds their immediate need for a reliever.

 

Kelly and Buchholz are both going to the pen.

 

They just might be able to stabilize the pen to the point where Dombrowski can focus solely on starting pitching.

[moonslav59]

MLBTR is suggesting Aaron Wilkerson might get the next chance to crack the rotation.He has allowed just 69 hits with 25 walks and 102 strikeouts. He’s allowed two earned runs or less in 12 of his 16 starts. In 10 of those 12, he’s allowed one run or less.

[sk7326]

Just curious how many pitches does Wright throw on off days/in between starts?

 

Here's a novel idea...why waste it? use him for couple of innings in between starts.

 

Did anyone see where Tazawa said that he gets tired due to all the warming up he does and doesn't get called to pitch.

 

Obviously the leverage is different - but the idea of putting Wright in the pen between starts is not crazy - but that is something to do much later in the season, if at all.

[harmony]

FanGraphs columnist Dave Cameron suggests that the Red Sox should trade for a hitter:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-red-sox-should-trade-for-another-hitter/