Referendum on John Farrell

[Spudboy]

The bullpen went 6.2 innings and gave up 0 earned runs without having to use Kimbrel, Uehara, or Ziegler. You know nothing.

 

Come to think of it, thanks for writing that in plain sight. Chalk one up for station 13.

 

What's with the hostility?

 

Station is entitled to his opinion. And he said nothing that justifies your venom.

[a700hitter]

Mad Max strikes again!!

[Spudboy]

Mad Max strikes again!!

 

He has been obsessed with you. Which I can understand! Lol.

 

But to chastise a poster for a simple comment is nuts.

 

Why do people come onto Talksox just to berate others? It's one thing to point out that someones idea may be more wrong than right. That happens to me a lot!

 

But to s*** on a guy without justification is just wrong.

[a700hitter]

He has been obsessed with you. Which I can understand! Lol.

 

But to chastise a poster for a simple comment is nuts.

 

Why do people come onto Talksox just to berate others? It's one thing to point out that someones idea may be more wrong than right. That happens to me a lot!

 

But to s*** on a guy without justification is just wrong.

LOL!! He can be obsessed with me as much as he wants, but if his obsession is to disagree with me, he will have to get used to being wrong.

 

The main gripe that I have with posters who are fixated on criticizing someone's point of view is that they think they can predict how others will react to situations. That imo is idiocy. I don't know about you Pete, but my opinions are often not predictable even to me. They put words in people's mouths which is annoying and in Mad Max's case he often mischaractizes what others say or just plain gets it wrong. So, Max, start directing your anger at umpires, players, management, or the FO, and if you want to be angry with other posters go on a political message board with the other angry people.

[Spudboy]

In the case of Sation13, I can't think of a single time that guy has ever provoked any such response.

 

This was uncalled for.

 

Oh well.

[User Name]

In fairness to Max, Station is kind of annoying.

 

In fairness to Station, kind of annoying does not warrant the hostility.

 

Kumbaya people!

[cp176]

In fairness to Max, Station is kind of annoying.

 

In fairness to Station, kind of annoying does not warrant the hostility.

 

Kumbaya people!

 

Scew that!! Come on!!

just kidding

[Slasher9]

JF completely outmanaged by Girardi in the first 3 games of this series. Why can't we have Girardi as our skipper??

[mvp 78]

The Sox have a better team, the yanks have a better manager.

[Slasher9]

The Sox have a better team, the yanks have a better manager.

 

Not true. In TS all losses are the fault of the manager.

[Bellhorn04]

I could be wrong, but Farrell seems to be doing a pretty good job lately-bullpen management included.

[cp176]

Stat masters - give me some info. How many relief pitchers are out in that bullpen currently? Has the expanded roster made it easier to keep your ammo rested? Is that part of the deal? If it is, then hold the fort in the pigpen until the first of September and ride the few well rested horses through to the end. Might de-emphasize the need to spend much money on trying to find relief pitchers.

[S5Dewey]

The Sox have a better team, the yanks have a better manager.

 

While I haven't visited the site myself, I'm hearing that there are posters in the Yankees' forums who are screaming for Girardi's head on a platter.

[Bellhorn04]

While I haven't visited the site myself, I'm hearing that there are posters in the Yankees' forums who are screaming for Girardi's head on a platter.

 

Retardi, you mean. I can't remember our resident Yankee fan Jacko ever saying anything about him that wasn't negative.

[Dojji]

It is the natural state of ffans to hate the manager. We love the team and root for the laundry even when it's worn by players we dislike. So when the team fails, and the team will fail, even a great team fails about a third of the time, and if we fail in a way that we can't blame on the usual dedicated scapegoat players, the manager gets it. Not because there is always anything he could have done but simply because the alternative is admitting that players we like can't walk on water and didn't create the universe in 7 days just to have something to stand on to hit homeruns.

 

The manager is the ultimate low calorie snack, it's always easier to blame the manager than look objectively for the real cause of underperformance, and of course if anyone actually bothers to defend him or bring strange, foreign ideas like rational analysis, or strangest of all, an actual sense of freaking perspective, all we really have to do is primly assert that since he's the skipper of the team it's already always his fault anyway, right? And then that weirdo and his bizarre ''logic'' stuff goes away to continue his search for intelligent life on this planet elsewhere, so if course that means you won the argument. Score!

Edited September 18, 2016 by Dojji

[Spudboy]

Dojji is correct. Although the typos make it somewhat difficult to understand.

[a700hitter]

Not true. In TS all losses are the fault of the manager.

Not true.

[a700hitter]

I could be wrong, but Farrell seems to be doing a pretty good job lately-bullpen management included.

Yes, he has been more alert and made better decisions in the last couple of weeks in this regard with a few hiccups. No one can be perfect in this regard. If you have to go to the pen a lot, some of the guys that you bring in will have a bad night and s*** on themselves. A manager shouldn't get blame for that unless he brings in a known bed shitter in a high leverage situation. Farrell had a bad string where he was leaving in starters and relievers too long when they were obviously unraveling. He has been better at it in the last couple of weeks.

[User Name]

Girardi is f***ing terrible.

[a700hitter]

It is the natural state of ffans to hate the manager. We love the team and root for the laundry even when it's worn by players we dislike. So when the team fails, and the team will fail, even a great team fails about a third of the time, and if we fail in a way that we can't blame on the usual dedicated scapegoat players, the manager gets it. Not because there is always anything he could have done but simply because the alternative is admitting that players we like can't walk on water and didn't create the universe in 7 days just to have something to stand on to hit homeruns.

 

The manager is the ultimate low calorie snack, it's always easier to blame the manager than look objectively for the real cause of underperformance, and of course if anyone actually bothers to defend him or bring strange, foreign ideas like rational analysis, or strangest of all, an actual sense of freaking perspective, all we really have to do is primly assert that since he's the skipper of the team it's already always his fault anyway, right? And then that weirdo and his bizarre ''logic'' stuff goes away to continue his search for intelligent life on this planet elsewhere, so if course that means you won the argument. Score!

And it is easy to blame managers, because they are usually stupid heads who make some very obvious mistakes. They get paid handsomely to make out a lineup card and recap the game with the press and little else, so the criticism comes with the territory.

[a700hitter]

Girardi is f***ing terrible.

I think Girardi is a major douche and prick, but living in NY I watch a lot of the Skank games and his inferior teams perform better than their rosters would indicate. He is always on top of the situation and he has the ability to think ahead which JF doe not. Girardi has the opposite problem from JF sometimes. He will take out a pitcher who is on cruise control with 80-85 pitches because the stats show that he has a rough time the 3 rd time through the order. Well, maybe this is his good day and he is cruising so why take him out? I love when he does that, because it often blows up in his face.

[Bellhorn04]

And it is easy to blame managers, because they are usually stupid heads who make some very obvious mistakes. They get paid handsomely to make out a lineup card and recap the game with the press and little else, so the criticism comes with the territory.

 

Most of the really heated criticism that managers take comes from their in-game pitching changes or non-changes, IMO.

[a700hitter]

Most of the really heated criticism that managers take comes from their in-game pitching changes or non-changes, IMO.

That is because in the AL there is DH, so they make a lineup and go to sleep. Also, most teams have very thin benches because they need to carry so many pitchers. Add to that the ridiculous unwritten rule of not using both catchers in a game (even if it is the 9th inning), and there are very few pinch hitters.

[southpaw777]

Listen, I dont like his managing style. Bottom line. Pretty simple. I dont need words put in my mouth and everyone thinking my OPINION is wrong or trying to convince me otherwise. I dont give two shits about other managers. i know they all make mistakes. My OPINION is that ive never seen one manager make so many head scratching moves as Farrell has. And Im certainly NOT alone. Yes, he makes good moves too. Its not like every move he makes sucks and its not like I act that way.

My opinion remains the same. Overall I dont like the way he manages a team. Not sure why thats so hard to grasp without everyone trying to convince me my opinion is wrong...

[Bellhorn04]

That is because in the AL there is DH, so they make a lineup and go to sleep.

 

They can't go to sleep when starting pitchers only average 6 innings. Managing the bullpen is a huge part of the job.

[a700hitter]

Listen, I dont like his managing style. Bottom line. Pretty simple. I dont need words put in my mouth and everyone thinking my OPINION is wrong or trying to convince me otherwise. I dont give two shits about other managers. i know they all make mistakes. My OPINION is that ive never seen one manager make so many head scratching moves as Farrell has. And Im certainly NOT alone. Yes, he makes good moves too. Its not like every move he makes sucks and its not like I act that way.

My opinion remains the same. Overall I dont like the way he manages a team. Not sure why thats so hard to grasp without everyone trying to convince me my opinion is wrong...

Well stated. I feel the same way about it.

[Bellhorn04]

Listen, I dont like his managing style. Bottom line. Pretty simple. I dont need words put in my mouth and everyone thinking my OPINION is wrong or trying to convince me otherwise. I dont give two shits about other managers. i know they all make mistakes. My OPINION is that ive never seen one manager make so many head scratching moves as Farrell has. And Im certainly NOT alone. Yes, he makes good moves too. Its not like every move he makes sucks and its not like I act that way.

My opinion remains the same. Overall I dont like the way he manages a team. Not sure why thats so hard to grasp without everyone trying to convince me my opinion is wrong...

 

No offense, southpaw, but nobody's really directing their posts just at you.

[a700hitter]

No offense, southpaw, but nobody's really directing their posts just at you.

But they are generalizing about the criticism of Farrell. And their generalizations are very inaccurate with regard to most of us. Southpaw is just clarifying his position as am I.

[Bellhorn04]

But they are generalizing about the criticism of Farrell. And their generalizations are very inaccurate with regard to most of us. Southpaw is just clarifying his position as am I.

 

Generalization does create a lot of confusion. If someone has a beef about a specific post, they should respond directly to that post - like you did with Slasher's post.

[Dojji]

I don't have a beef with a specific post, but I do have a beef with a specific philosophy, the kind of judgmental, my-team-just-barely-lost-so-everyone's-an-idiot quick twitch finger pointing. If that's your philosophy Southpaw you're welcome to it, but I'm welcome to my opinion that it's idiotic and is symptomatic of everything that's wrong with baseball fandom.

 

The IQ in this thread varies widely based on how the team just performed. If we win it's usually OK, but if we just lost, the air gets stupid in here REAL fast.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Dojji