A Realistic View at 2016

[Bellhorn04]

If we become sellers, will you sell Price and Porcello if there's an interested team?

 

Interesting situation.

 

Selling our good pitchers is the last thing we want to do. (Remember the last time we did it?)

 

Usually you sell guys who are closing in on the end of their contract.

[Bellhorn04]

Of course not. That's why I don't think we're going to be sellers. Nobody is going to want what we're willing to sell.

 

We don't have many candidates. Uehara and Tazawa are possibilities.

[Jasonbay44]

I don't really see what the Red Sox would sell? A lot of the guys are young guys, which make no sense to sell, and the older guys who would possibly make sense to sell, such as Chris Young are injured. Who realistically would they sell and what would be the benefit?

[iortiz]

Selling our good pitchers is the last thing we want to do. (Remember the last time we did it?)

 

Usually you sell guys who are closing in on the end of their contract.

Would you prefer Price and Porcello over Lester and Lackey?

 

I don't think it's the same situation Bell.

 

Considering their contracts and what I've been seeing from them, I think I would consider it.

[Bellhorn04]

Would you prefer Price and Porcello over Lester and Lackey?

 

I don't think it's the same situation Bell.

 

Considering their contracts and what I've been seeing from them, I think I would consider it.

 

They're not pitching as well as Lester and Lackey, but try to imagine our pitching staff without them.

[Jasonbay44]

They're not pitching as well as Lester and Lackey, but try to imagine our pitching staff without them.

 

This. Plus its a very tough market to acquire a top of the rotation type pitcher in trade and this year in free agency is very weak for starting pitchers. If we trade Price and Porcello, this rotation would be horrific next season and its already bad enough as is.

[iortiz]

They're not pitching as well as Lester and Lackey, but try to imagine our pitching staff without them.

 

Oh I understand that but I put it in the scenario where we are sellers. If that were the case I would rebuild the pitching staff from ashes.

[moonslav59]

We don't have many candidates. Uehara and Tazawa are possibilities.

 

I think both would net us decent prospects.

[gojohn99]

But who would want Uehara. Lately he seems to give up a run every time he comes in. Plus 6 HR allowed in just 29.1 innings.

 

We don't have many candidates. Uehara and Tazawa are possibilities.

[Slasher9]

here's who we would deal that other teams would actually want:

Vaz/Swi

Hembree

Taz

 

thats it. we may deal others but it wont be for anything worthwhile....

[moonslav59]

But who would want Uehara. Lately he seems to give up a run every time he comes in. Plus 6 HR allowed in just 29.1 innings.

 

Most GMs don't judge a player over just his last 20-25 IP. I'm not saying a GM will give us a blue chipper, but any good prospect is better than nothing, assuming we are out of it (sellers) in July.

[moonslav59]

here's who we would deal that other teams would actually want:

Vaz/Swi

Hembree

Taz

 

thats it. we may deal others but it wont be for anything worthwhile....

 

I think several teams would give up something good for Uehara.

[Emp9]

Marlins just traded for Rodney and it was said they're looking for another SP and are linked to Odorizi & Pomeranz. If Pomeranz is available, I'd like the sox to kick the tires on a trade for him. Trading for him wouldn't even be about this year necessarily.

[Emp9]

I'm not a big fan of Fernando Rodney, but he's having quite a 1st half. Marlins gave up their 2015 8th Rd pick. For what it's worth....

[Jasonbay44]

Rodney was a guy I wanted to go after. Is the prospect the Padres acquired any good?

[moonslav59]

Rodney was a guy I wanted to go after. Is the prospect the Padres acquired any good?

 

He's a good single A pitcher off to a fantastic start. Something like 40 Ks and 2 BBs and a 0.95 ERA, but it's single A.

 

[moonslav59]

Marlins just traded for Rodney and it was said they're looking for another SP and are linked to Odorizi & Pomeranz. If Pomeranz is available, I'd like the sox to kick the tires on a trade for him. Trading for him wouldn't even be about this year necessarily.

 

I'm fine with overpaying for young controllable pitchers, but not for rentals (like Rodney was).

[Emp9]

I'm fine with overpaying for young controllable pitchers, but not for rentals (like Rodney was).

 

I hear ya' on that. I'd give up alot for Atl's RP Vizcaino, he's not a rental. Pomeranz wouldn't be a rental either. Those are the type of deals we need to make long term anyways, wether they save our season this year or not.

[Emp9]

Rich Hill is scheduled to start Sat. I can't imagine the A's demanding a blue chip in return for half a season of Rich Hill. I wld think, if he pitches well of course, they'd like to get a return on him 'cause thats what the A's always do.

[Emp9]

Our offense has been pretty good for a year now, between this season & last. I'd hate not to atleast try to correct our pitching woes. As bad as things seem, we're not THAT far off, or THAT far back yet.

[jacksonianmarch]

A realistic view is that without reinforcements, your team is a .500 club. Having gotten off to a terrific start, maybe you finish a bit above .500, like 86 wins or so. That being said, without good pitching, you will be prone to huge swoons as nobody really is the stopper on your staff. I wonder if the fall has convinced DD to hold pat and try things again in the offseason to get a starter

[jad]

A realistic view is that the RS have still not figured out how to deal with their "dead money": around $150 million owed to players who (1) are on perpetual DL and show no signs of committing to getting in playing shape, and (2) are not major league calibre and have been waived. Then there's another 70mil or so that 'might' be funding an average first baseman. That's several years of team salary for some clubs. Now it's time to deal with an underperforming pitching staff, all the while hoping that the miraculous year of Ortiz, Boggaerts, JBJ, Ped, Betts continues. Given this, .500 seems about right.

[Emp9]

No. Not really. A Realistic view would find the Sox being an above .500 club that's leading the Wild Card race. We need one good SP, another good RP, and to sort out who's our #5. Our #5 won't matter that much if they make the post season anyway. Things haven't changed all that much. Realistically, most of us knew this even after we signed Price. Price& Kimbrel were a good start, but most of us knew it wasn't enough. Trades are starting to pick up now, should be a busy month. We'll see what pans out.

[User Name]

A realistic view is that the RS have still not figured out how to deal with their "dead money": around $150 million owed to players who (1) are on perpetual DL and show no signs of committing to getting in playing shape, and (2) are not major league calibre and have been waived. Then there's another 70mil or so that 'might' be funding an average first baseman. That's several years of team salary for some clubs. Now it's time to deal with an underperforming pitching staff, all the while hoping that the miraculous year of Ortiz, Boggaerts, JBJ, Ped, Betts continues. Given this, .500 seems about right.

 

I bet honey tastes bitter to you.

[Emp9]

I know we may not see a Sox vs Cubs World Series. But its looking like a Sox vs Cubs All Star game. I'd say thats a big improvement from last year. So, things aren't all that bad.

[moonslav59]

Marlins just traded for Rodney and it was said they're looking for another SP and are linked to Odorizi & Pomeranz. If Pomeranz is available, I'd like the sox to kick the tires on a trade for him. Trading for him wouldn't even be about this year necessarily.

 

I'm fine with overpaying for young controllable pitchers, but not for rentals (like Rodney was).

[moonslav59]

Rich Hill is scheduled to start Sat. I can't imagine the A's demanding a blue chip in return for half a season of Rich Hill. I wld think, if he pitches well of course, they'd like to get a return on him 'cause thats what the A's always do.

 

One reason I much prefer acquiring pitching in the winter over July is that it's actually a 2 month rental (1/3 season) rather than a full season, but I guess the post season adds to that, and maybe you know more about a guy in July than in January.

[moonslav59]

A realistic view is that without reinforcements, your team is a .500 club. Having gotten off to a terrific start, maybe you finish a bit above .500, like 86 wins or so. That being said, without good pitching, you will be prone to huge swoons as nobody really is the stopper on your staff. I wonder if the fall has convinced DD to hold pat and try things again in the offseason to get a starter

 

Take a look at other teams and their issues.

 

We certainly have a few holes to fill, but so does just about every other team in the AL.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Rich Hill is scheduled to start Sat. I can't imagine the A's demanding a blue chip in return for half a season of Rich Hill. I wld think, if he pitches well of course, they'd like to get a return on him 'cause thats what the A's always do.

 

A's pitchers always look good pitching at home. It seems when they leave they get crushed.

[jad]

I bet honey tastes bitter to you.

 

Ha ha! Never touch the stuff. But I do kick back occasionally and think of the glory days of the RS in the late fifties and sixties, while musing on their performance in 3 or the last 4 years.