2016 Yankees Season thread

[User Name]

Did you see the haul they got for Miller? It was absolutely the right decision.

[Kimmi]

But I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about the fact he's under contract for 2017 and 2018.

 

But in all reasonableness, the Yankees were not expected to be ready to contend in 2017 either. Maybe by 2018. The way they have played since the trade has altered that expectation, but holding onto Miller for a team that would be 'rebuilding' for a couple of years did not make sense.

[jacksonianmarch]

We have a farm system loaded with relief arms. We were a .500 team with a bunch of aged players occupying regular spots. The plan was to go young. Cut ARod, sit Tex, move Judge to the OF, Sanchez to C, Austin to 1B. Can you tell me the last time a team waved the white flag midseason, brought up 3 rookie regulars and jumped more than 5 games in the standings into a playoff spot? I don't think it has ever happened. I think they expected growing pains, not a surge. Nobody could have expected this from Sanchez. Nobody. I knew he was a bit of an immature kid with talent beyond his MiLB production. The problem with most of those players is that they don't show the patience to earn a spot like Sanchez did. The kid grew up this year, waited his turn and when he got it, he didn't let it go. That excitement on offense that we have missed since ARod lost his PEDs and Tex crumbled to dust is back in this kid. We need more, obviously, but it is a start for sure.

[jacksonianmarch]

Did you see the haul they got for Miller? It was absolutely the right decision.

 

Exactly. We dealt off a reliever (albeit probably the best reliever in baseball) on a team that couldn't hand the ball to the pen with a lead for a top 20 prospect, a top 75 prospect and 2 relief arms who are big league ready now. The haul was insane and would have been absolutely stupid for Cash to turn down

[Bellhorn04]

Fair enough. I guess I'm just not used to the Yankees doing such things. George must be rolling over.

[jacksonianmarch]

George was rolling over until he saw a rookie become the next Yankee star. It's a different era now. Back before George lost his mind, baseball players were all juiced up, so their career extended to the age of 40. They all hit FA at 27 or 28 and you could sign them because other teams didn't have money and players weren't being locked up. The era has changed. Guys aren't playing well past 33 and most players aren't playing at all past 35 save a select few. With ad deals, TV revenue and revenue sharing, every team has money. And the teams with the least amount of money are offering their big prospects long term deals while under league minimum to buy out a few FA years. Guys who used to hit the market at 27 and 28, are hitting it now at 29 and 30. The players are still getting ridiculous money for the same amount of years, but since 2 prime years are already gone, the production and cost/benefit is no longer worth it.

 

Enter the new plan, which was actually the old plan that won us 4 titles. Rebuild the core and add expensive vets to supplement the core. Then lock up the core long term. I see that happening. I honestly see Sanchez being an All Star level C for a long time. I also think Judge becomes an all-star caliber OFer. We have nice pieces with Castro and Didi up the middle. But getting younger and more talented was what needed to be done, not deal away prospects for old guys who break down

[SoxnCycles]

To be accurate, the Yankees never got into a playoff spot.

They did to within one game of the second spot a couple of weeks ago.

[Thunder]

Michael Kay channeled his inner John Sterling for the call of Sanchez's second homer.

[moonslav59]

Guys who used to hit the market at 27 and 28, are hitting it now at 29 and 30. The players are still getting ridiculous money for the same amount of years, but since 2 prime years are already gone, the production and cost/benefit is no longer worth it.

 

Very well put. I've been warning against these big and long signings for years, especially one that half the years are post prime.

 

I loved the Porcello extension precisely because every year was within prime.

 

Signing EE scares the bejesus out of me.

 

I'm not an expert on the Yankee roster. I differ to your expertise, but I do see the Yanks as being very close to being competitive as early as next year. I'd suggest signing someone like Hellickson and B Anderson and hope they can be solid #3 type starters who give a lot of innings, which may allow the pen to be more effective. Don't go mega large and mega long. Stick to the plan, but don't wait to try to make some stop gap efforts to help you win now...not trading prospects for a quick fix, but just signing some mid-level guys to 1-3 years deals only- kinda like the Sox in 2013..

[jacksonianmarch]

Gary Sanchez is in another world right now.

[Kimmi]

Very well put. I've been warning against these big and long signings for years, especially one that half the years are post prime.

 

I loved the Porcello extension precisely because every year was within prime.

 

Signing EE scares the bejesus out of me.

 

I agree with this post 100%.

[Kimmi]

Gary Sanchez is in another world right now.

 

Have to give credit where credit is due.

 

Dude is a beast. He's going to be a PITA for years to come.

 

I already hate him.

[moonslav59]

Have to give credit where credit is due.

 

Dude is a beast. He's going to be a PITA for years to come.

 

I already hate him.

 

I know!

 

3 HRs in just 32 ABs against us!

 

An to think, that's about his average against everybody else too!

 

One HR every 10 ABs is insane!

[jacksonianmarch]

He's down to 1 every 8 or so. Won't last, but good to see. He's had immense talent but his head was always in the way. He's grown up a lot and his production is showing it. This guy is a future perennial all star

[Bellhorn04]

Yankees are not dead yet.

[Slasher9]

or he's shane spencer. i have an idea...let's make him the face of Yankees Universe like we did with that future HoFer Joba Chamberlain!!!

[Youk Of The Nation]

or he's shane spencer. i have an idea...let's make him the face of Yankees Universe like we did with that future HoFer Joba Chamberlain!!!

 

I'll always fondly remember the way people like John Sterling and Susan Waldman acted like Phil Hughes was going to be the next Roger Clemens for the next ten years. Chamberlain is a good example, too. Although I think Sanchez has far more potential than those two ever did.

[Kimmi]

or he's shane spencer. i have an idea...let's make him the face of Yankees Universe like we did with that future HoFer Joba Chamberlain!!!

 

LOL You are terrible.

 

And yet, I like you.

[jacksonianmarch]

Joba's shoulder got wrecked and Hughes had the mentality of a lamb. Sanchez is a bit different mentality wise. He's been known as a selfish player prior to last year. Those might be the types the media comes to despise, but those are also the types who typically do well statistically

[Meh]

The thought of Bird, Sanchez, and Judge hitting in the middle of the order is pretty cool.

[jacksonianmarch]

Exactly. The home grown power there is enticing. I also like the idea of Frazier and Didi setting them up and Mateo and Torres batting behind them

[yankonyankee]

Sanchez is doing something historic right now. He keeps this up, they'll be putting him on 60 minutes. Who is this guy signed from an international draft hailing from the Dominican Republic? Yanks apparently signed him at 17. He's been a top 100 prospect since 2011 as rated by baseball america, mlb and baseballprospectus. This guy's on pace for +70 runs. That's Bonds territory. And if he's doing this clean? He's bigger than Trout, he's friggin' moby dick right now.

 

You have to expect him to fall back to earth, but if he doesn't? WOW. Yanks will have their next Superstar historic hitter. Sox are losing theirs. Too bad the season's ending soon. We'll have to wait for next year to see how Sanchez does over a whole season.

 

Right now, he's tearing it up to the finish line. Should be interesting in TO. Encarnacion - should the Yanks sign him? They'd make a good 1-2 punch. Even Bautista on a 1 or 2 year deal.

 

What Papi is doing is unbelievable. One of the game's best hitters is retiring while still being one the best hitters. Papi's a living legend and a HOFer. Giving him the busted phone was a great gift. Would have been funnier if it was the O's dugout phone, however. But I can understand a team not giving a gift to a guy that beat you. To the victors go the spoils.

 

This Yank fan will be happy to see Papi stop beating on the Yanks. The shoes on the other foot this time. Yanks lost a lot of their great players from the last decade. The turnover appears to be quicker than expected. Should be a fun season next year, too.

 

The Yanks have entertained me this year.

Edited September 23, 2016 by yankonyankee

[Spudboy]

I can't believe that I am about to say a second nice thing about a Yankee or the team as a whole today.

 

Thank you Horse Face and Hicks for hitting timely bombs.

 

Thank you old friend Tommy Layne for your heads up put out at home plate for the second out in the ninth.

 

Thank you Gardner for making that slide to end the game.

 

But f*** the Yankees anyway.

[Northern Star]

Yankees are not dead yet.

 

How about now?

[Northern Star]

Joba's shoulder got wrecked and Hughes had the mentality of a lamb. Sanchez is a bit different mentality wise. He's been known as a selfish player prior to last year. Those might be the types the media comes to despise, but those are also the types who typically do well statistically

 

I always thought Terry Ryan was a good GM but he hitched his wagon to Hughes and it failed miserably.

[Northern Star]

I could never wish the Yankees to succeed, but it would be refreshing to see their lineup full of young homegrown talent instead of fading has-beens with bloated contracts.

 

And while we're on the subject, given the amount the Yankees have spent on salary since that fateful night in Arizona, and only one title to show for it, is it about time Cashman was shown the door?

[jacksonianmarch]

NS, Cashman isn't the issue. He has been pining for the rebuild for awhile now. He's been passed over in negotations for big free agents and has continually resisted the urge to spend more than he has to for acquiring talent. ARod, Soriano, Giambi, etc. Those deals were calls from agents to Levine and bypassed Cash. Cash won some serious autonomy in his last negotiations. He has rebuilt our farm system. He's kept first round picks. Hell, he turned a decrepit, old, boring lineup of 2006 all stars and engineered a rebuild that literally took 2 months. All this without one of the best rookie storylines of 2015 in Greg Bird. We have the potential for a VERY powerful lineup in 2017. Sanchez, Bird, Judge in the middle. We have Castro and Didi up the middle. Austin should have a role. Torreyes looks like a good utility guy. We have Frazier and Mason Williams sitting in the wings with Mateo and Torres in AA. The Justin Wilson deal looks like genius as Chad Green (if healthy) and Luis Cessa look to be strong candidates for starting spots. We actually have something to look forward to instead of waiting for the next shoe to drop. I am intrigued to see the direction of this offseason. I feel Cash has a directive from Stein to get under the cap and to rebuild over the next 2 seasons. Then after 2018, we will go absolutely insane.

[moonslav59]

NS, Cashman isn't the issue. He has been pining for the rebuild for awhile now. He's been passed over in negotations for big free agents and has continually resisted the urge to spend more than he has to for acquiring talent. ARod, Soriano, Giambi, etc. Those deals were calls from agents to Levine and bypassed Cash. Cash won some serious autonomy in his last negotiations. He has rebuilt our farm system. He's kept first round picks. Hell, he turned a decrepit, old, boring lineup of 2006 all stars and engineered a rebuild that literally took 2 months. All this without one of the best rookie storylines of 2015 in Greg Bird. We have the potential for a VERY powerful lineup in 2017. Sanchez, Bird, Judge in the middle. We have Castro and Didi up the middle. Austin should have a role. Torreyes looks like a good utility guy. We have Frazier and Mason Williams sitting in the wings with Mateo and Torres in AA. The Justin Wilson deal looks like genius as Chad Green (if healthy) and Luis Cessa look to be strong candidates for starting spots. We actually have something to look forward to instead of waiting for the next shoe to drop. I am intrigued to see the direction of this offseason. I feel Cash has a directive from Stein to get under the cap and to rebuild over the next 2 seasons. Then after 2018, we will go absolutely insane.

 

Good read.

 

There will be lots of big names to choose from. There will be a better idea of what the big need areas are by then too.

 

I think the Yanks might surprise in 2017, but not too much.

[jacksonianmarch]

Slav, I think the Yankees will be a .500 team if left alone. I just hope we don't make any rash decisions, like dealing our glut of young talent for a 33+ yr old big leaguer. I want to see some talent develop. I would actually like to see some older talent shipped away. Deal way McCann and Gardner. Move Ellsbury to LF. Give Mason Williams the keys to CF and see if he can run with it, etc.

 

As it stands right now, here is the lineup

 

1. Ellsbury CF

2. Gardner LF

3. Sanchez C

4. Bird 1B

5. Castro 2B

6. Gregorius SS

7. Headley 3B

8. Judge RF

9. Austin/McCann DH

 

That is a good lineup, especially if we see progression from Judge, Austin, and Bird. Our rotation for next yr..

 

1. Tanaka

2. Sabathia

3. Pineda

4. Cessa/Mitchell/Green/Montgomery/Severino

5. Cessa/Mitchell/Green/Montgomery/Severino

 

I love Tanaka. He was 3rd in the AL in ERA, started 31 games, threw nearly 200IP. Sabathia put up a 3.0WAR season. Pineda had a better season than ERA indicates. We have 5 real big league candidates for the 4 and 5 spots as well. If we can stabilize the back end with our current in house options, we could have a solid, playoff worthy rotation.

 

Just like everywhere else, our pen needs some kids to step up. The building blocks for now are there with Clippard, Warren and Betances. One of a bevvy of hard throwing relievers who made either their debuts or their returns to the pen needs to step up. Or we could just open the checkbook and sign Chapman to a long term deal and not need to pay a draft pick premium.

 

In the end, we need to see some growth. We have young power in the lineup, young power in the rotation and young power in the pen. We need to turn the potential into the now. If we do nothing, we are a .500 team, because it all won't blossom at the same time. If we add, we might improve on that. If we see ridiculous growth, then we could be a title contender. Our problem the past few yrs has been players past their primes who we were hoping a flicker of their prime would return. Starting next yr, it will be guys before their primes who we are hoping can develop and reach their prime before projection. This is way more fun

[moonslav59]

Slav, I think the Yankees will be a .500 team if left alone. I just hope we don't make any rash decisions, like dealing our glut of young talent for a 33+ yr old big leaguer. I want to see some talent develop. I would actually like to see some older talent shipped away. Deal way McCann and Gardner. Move Ellsbury to LF. Give Mason Williams the keys to CF and see if he can run with it, etc.

 

As it stands right now, here is the lineup

 

1. Ellsbury CF

2. Gardner LF

3. Sanchez C

4. Bird 1B

5. Castro 2B

6. Gregorius SS

7. Headley 3B

8. Judge RF

9. Austin/McCann DH

 

That is a good lineup, especially if we see progression from Judge, Austin, and Bird. Our rotation for next yr..

 

1. Tanaka

2. Sabathia

3. Pineda

4. Cessa/Mitchell/Green/Montgomery/Severino

5. Cessa/Mitchell/Green/Montgomery/Severino

 

I love Tanaka. He was 3rd in the AL in ERA, started 31 games, threw nearly 200IP. Sabathia put up a 3.0WAR season. Pineda had a better season than ERA indicates. We have 5 real big league candidates for the 4 and 5 spots as well. If we can stabilize the back end with our current in house options, we could have a solid, playoff worthy rotation.

 

Just like everywhere else, our pen needs some kids to step up. The building blocks for now are there with Clippard, Warren and Betances. One of a bevvy of hard throwing relievers who made either their debuts or their returns to the pen needs to step up. Or we could just open the checkbook and sign Chapman to a long term deal and not need to pay a draft pick premium.

 

In the end, we need to see some growth. We have young power in the lineup, young power in the rotation and young power in the pen. We need to turn the potential into the now. If we do nothing, we are a .500 team, because it all won't blossom at the same time. If we add, we might improve on that. If we see ridiculous growth, then we could be a title contender. Our problem the past few yrs has been players past their primes who we were hoping a flicker of their prime would return. Starting next yr, it will be guys before their primes who we are hoping can develop and reach their prime before projection. This is way more fun

 

I hate to say it, but your future looks very bright.

 

I used to rant about the age and contract thing finally catching up with the Yanks. It took longer to happen than I projected, but it has also taken the yanks much shorter time than I expected to turn things around.

 

Kudos to Cash for having the huevos to fire sale the vets for some very promising prospects.

 

I had wished the Sox had done the same back in 2014, but I guess I can't argue too much with our results either.