2016 Starting Rotation

[Dojji]

I'd caution restraint on Rodriguez, he's got excellent stuff but he isn't proven over a full season yet. I have a lot of hope in him, and I agree that we can *hope* for great things. But let's not pretend he's a sure thing yet.

[User Name]

Isn't that exactly what I meant when I said, and let me quote myself here: "He's got to pitch".

[Bellhorn04]

Every single pitcher in Major League Baseball can look like an ace at times. I remember when Darrell Rasner was lights out for a month for NY a few yrs back. Top end talent is lights out for sustained periods. The guys after Price aren't top end talent

 

Lights out for sustained periods is also pretty rare.

[Bellhorn04]

I have no doubt that he will bounce.

 

Did you get a Jokes About Fat People book for Christmas or something?

[a700hitter]

Did you get a Jokes About Fat People book for Christmas or something?

I am writing one.

[Station 13]

Every single pitcher in Major League Baseball can look like an ace at times. I remember when Darrell Rasner was lights out for a month for NY a few yrs back. Top end talent is lights out for sustained periods. The guys after Price aren't top end talent

 

These aren't cup of coffee guys like Rasner. I barely remember him, was he teammate of Sidney Ponson??

 

The Yankees 2008 rotation was pure comedy one after another.

[Station 13]

Lights out for sustained periods is also pretty rare.

 

There's only one in this division, and he plays for the Red Sox.

[Elktonnick]

These aren't cup of coffee guys like Rasner. I barely remember him, was he teammate of Sidney Ponson??

 

The Yankees 2008 rotation was pure comedy one after another.

 

I recall Billy Rohr who in 1967 was thought to be the second coming. He almost no hit the Yankees in April and went on to win one more game for Boston. It was all down hill from there

[cp176]

I recall Billy Rohr who in 1967 was thought to be the second coming. He almost no hit the Yankees in April and went on to win one more game for Boston. It was all down hill from there

 

It was still a no hitter when Yaz made one of baseball's great catches.

[Elktonnick]

It was still a no hitter when Yaz made one of baseball's great catches.

 

I think you are confusing Rohr with Dave Morehead. Elston Howard broke up Rohr's no hitter. It was a one hitter.

 

"Rohr was originally signed by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1963, but was picked up by the Red Sox a year later in the rule 5 draft. As a 21-year-old rookie, Rohr made his first start at the New York Yankees' home opener on April 14, 1967. The slim left-hander faced future Hall of Famer Whitey Ford, and was one strike away from a no-hitter when Elston Howard hit a soft single into right-center field. Rohr proceeded to retire the next batter for a 3–0 shutout. In his next start, he beat the Yankees again, this time 6–1, but only won one more game in the majors after that."

Edited January 26, 2016 by Elktonnick

[mvp 78]

Rodriguez has pitched a couple of months, but has excellent stuff. How the f*** can you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he's not top end talent? He's got to pitch first. Also, I will contend that Buchholz is very much a top-end talent, but he's as fragile as a sheet of toilet paper.

 

He is a great talent evaluator. Jesus Montero will be the next Johnny Bench.

[Spudboy]

Did you get a Jokes About Fat People book for Christmas or something?

 

I think it's funny.

[Spudboy]

There's only one in this division, and he plays for the Red Sox.

 

I'd say that Archer and then maybe Stroman are f***ing close.

[Spudboy]

He is a great talent evaluator. Jesus Montero will be the next Johnny Bench.

 

This is also funny!!!!

[cp176]

I think you are confusing Rohr with Dave Morehead. Elston Howard broke up Rohr's no hitter. It was a one hitter.

 

"Rohr was originally signed by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1963, but was picked up by the Red Sox a year later in the rule 5 draft. As a 21-year-old rookie, Rohr made his first start at the New York Yankees' home opener on April 14, 1967. The slim left-hander faced future Hall of Famer Whitey Ford, and was one strike away from a no-hitter when Elston Howard hit a soft single into right-center field. Rohr proceeded to retire the next batter for a 3–0 shutout. In his next start, he beat the Yankees again, this time 6–1, but only won one more game in the majors after that."

 

Nope - when Yaz made that catch he kept the no no alive. it was after his catch when the hit came. we all thought rohr was going to get the no hitter - no such luck. what a season!

[Gringo]

The rotation lacks a legit #2. Unless we address that need, this team isn't winning s*** this year.

[SoxHop]

We need to get a bet going on when Buchholtz goes down.

[jacksonianmarch]

You need a 2. You have guys with stuff. Buchholz has performed like a #1 for long stretches of seasons before, but hasn't had a full season ever. E-Rod is probably the #2 in waiting, but you don't know how he develops and if he shakes the whole pitch tipping thing (he should). Kelly has the velocity, but not the command in the zone or the secondary stuff to run like a 2. Porcello has never been a 2 and probably does better than last yr, but not much. You've got 3 guys behind Price who have injury issues AND performance issues and then a half season phenom who might be the goods. You need another proven starter, and we all know Elias isn't it.

 

I know everyone wants to crown the sox after the Price signing, and its definitely tempting, but your rotation lacks depth, health, and a track record. It might all come together. It has a good shot of being swiss cheese after Price. I know how DD works. He wont let this sit for the whole yr. It's the same s*** we see in NY. Lots of guys with the talent but without the health or track record. I seem to like our misfits better than yours, but I'll take your ace over ours to be sure.

[Station 13]

We need to get a bet going on when Buchholtz goes down.

 

July 4th, bring the fireworks.

[SoxHop]

You need a 2. You have guys with stuff. Buchholz has performed like a #1 for long stretches of seasons before, but hasn't had a full season ever. E-Rod is probably the #2 in waiting, but you don't know how he develops and if he shakes the whole pitch tipping thing (he should). Kelly has the velocity, but not the command in the zone or the secondary stuff to run like a 2. Porcello has never been a 2 and probably does better than last yr, but not much. You've got 3 guys behind Price who have injury issues AND performance issues and then a half season phenom who might be the goods. You need another proven starter, and we all know Elias isn't it.

 

I know everyone wants to crown the sox after the Price signing, and its definitely tempting, but your rotation lacks depth, health, and a track record. It might all come together. It has a good shot of being swiss cheese after Price. I know how DD works. He wont let this sit for the whole yr. It's the same s*** we see in NY. Lots of guys with the talent but without the health or track record. I seem to like our misfits better than yours, but I'll take your ace over ours to be sure.

 

That sounds about right. I'm not sure who is already crowning the Sox though. Add to the pitching question marks, we also have infield corners who could be ......... umm........ atrocious.

 

I think walking into a season with so many unknowns is a bad thing. Heck, last years pitching was full of them and turned out bad. That solid number 2 pitcher would have been enough for me to think we are definitely going places. Now the Sox fans just have to hope for the best.

 

And Porcello can't be problem this year, If that happens...... well......... we have major problems.......

 

What do we do with Porcello if his first 5 games are crap???????

[mvp 78]

Nobody is crowning the Sox. We are all expecting them to compete for a playoff spot, which isn't the same thing. Jacko just needed to frame an argument so that he could piss all over everything again.

[Bellhorn04]

The rotation lacks a legit #2. Unless we address that need, this team isn't winning s*** this year.

 

You don't necessarily need a legit #2. The Royals just won 95 games and the World Series without one.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Royals had the benefit of an elite offense with only a hole in RF, elite defense, elite bullpen, and had a top 4 of Volquez, Ventura, Cueto and Young going into the playoffs. You guys should have a top 5 pen, the defense is gonna be middling or below, a good offense a better ace but a less effective 2-4 for now (maybe not, who knows). The Royals definitely flipped the script a bit, to your point

[cp176]

We have some uncertain situations for sure. Much like last year. Adding Price and a better bullpen makes us look a little better going forward. I think projecting them to be the second best team in all of baseball might be a little premature. they should be better than last year. This is assuming that if we get off to a bad start, changes are made el pronto.

[Dojji]

The rotation lacks a legit #2. Unless we address that need, this team isn't winning s*** this year.

 

It lacks a legit 2 yes, but there are a couple candidates who could step up over the year. Making this kind of sweeping statement is not justified.

[Station 13]

The Royals had the benefit of an elite offense with only a hole in RF, elite defense, elite bullpen, and had a top 4 of Volquez, Ventura, Cueto and Young going into the playoffs. You guys should have a top 5 pen, the defense is gonna be middling or below, a good offense a better ace but a less effective 2-4 for now (maybe not, who knows). The Royals definitely flipped the script a bit, to your point

 

They came back 4 times to win that WS. Game 6 vs the Astros, and the Mets closer blew 3 world series saves, unheard of. Lucky Royals probably won't do that again. That rotation sucked huge balls.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dojji, there are definitely candidates to take the #2 spot. One could definitely step up. Or all could return to last seasons performance and you'll have a shiny hot rod towing a pile of s*** for the rotation

[jacksonianmarch]

They came back 4 times to win that WS. Game 6 vs the Astros, and the Mets closer blew 3 world series saves, unheard of. Lucky Royals probably won't do that again. That rotation sucked huge balls.

 

I am not speaking about the WS. Once you get to the playoffs, the best team doesn't always win and a lot of luck plays into it for sure. But the Royals did have the best record in the AL last yr for good reason. Rotation that could hold on for 5 innings and a pen that would be absolutely lights out. Elite defense to bail out the pitching and elite offense that could score late for the win OR manufacture a run in the clutch should they need it. The Royals were such an interesting hybrid offensively. Made contact, stole bases, hit for average, hit for some power, had guys with huge OBP, etc.

[Station 13]

I am not speaking about the WS. Once you get to the playoffs, the best team doesn't always win and a lot of luck plays into it for sure. But the Royals did have the best record in the AL last yr for good reason. Rotation that could hold on for 5 innings and a pen that would be absolutely lights out. Elite defense to bail out the pitching and elite offense that could score late for the win OR manufacture a run in the clutch should they need it. The Royals were such an interesting hybrid offensively. Made contact, stole bases, hit for average, hit for some power, had guys with huge OBP, etc.

 

Let's see if KC can repeat, I pick the Guardians to win the central. They have the best rotation by far in the AL. Good position players as well.

[cp176]

They don't need a knee jerk reaction to anything right now. DD is too good to get taken by an idiot offer. The addition of Price and the upgraded bullpen alone (with what they have currently) makes them a better team than last year's version. That makes for a pretty competitive team even for the most faint hearted of fans. You don't win a world series in April and May. They have some issues that may or may not call for some changes. If they need to make them, I am going to bet that they do.