2016 Prospects Thread

[Spudboy]

Sam Travis sustained a Knee injury. I have no details.

[mvp 78]

Sam Travis sustained a Knee injury. I have no details.

 

ACL. Out for the year.

[a700hitter]

ACL. Out for the year.

That is a tough break.

[SoxHop]

Just heard this from a friend. Came to see what the verdict was.

 

I know he hits well, but he was a year or two away from being called up correct? Mainly cause Hanley has first locked up right?

[a700hitter]

It is a great disappointment. He is a special hitter.

[moonslav59]

Basabe over Devers? I haven't seen that yet. Why no love for Devers???

 

More of a higher love for Basabe.

 

I'm still high on Devers.

 

I thought my Hernandez ranking was the most out of line.

[cp176]

Just heard this from a friend. Came to see what the verdict was.

 

I know he hits well, but he was a year or two away from being called up correct? Mainly cause Hanley has first locked up right?

 

He was very close to playing at the major league level. Possibly even being a special player. He will be back and if he stays in the Sox organization, I think that he will force himself into their lineup.

[Hugh2]

More of a higher love for Basabe.

 

I'm still high on Devers.

 

I thought my Hernandez ranking was the most out of line.

 

Well Hernandez is performing at the highest level. I've seen no one rank Basabe ahead of Devers. Not that the kid doesn't have potential but I don't think he's done anything yet to place himself above him. He's struggling at a level Devers mastered at more than 1 whole year younger than him.

 

I mean Basabe is on everyone's top Ten, But Devers is on some peoples top 10 in the whole game. Here's how I would rank them.

 

Moncada

Benintendi

Espinoza

Devers

 

Kopech

Travis

 

Basabe (Alexander)

Ockimey

Chavis

Lakins

 

I think you can make a case for Dubon and Hernandez in there. The top 4 in my mind is interchangable. Ockimey isn't in anyone's top ten, but I'd be willing to bet when mid seasons top 10's come out soon he will be.

Edited May 31, 2016 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[cp176]

More of a higher love for Basabe.

 

I'm still high on Devers.

 

I thought my Hernandez ranking was the most out of line.

 

 

I've watched Hernandez play since he came to the Sox organization. Very few people have known much about him very similar to Shaw in that respect. I'm not nuts about him being at third base. He is a shortstop/second baseman. People who think that he winds up simply being a utility player I think are wrong. Unlike some of those that you have listed ahead of him, he is major league ready. He could wind up being included in a trade or he could someday wind up playing second base in Boston. I tend to get more excited about the Hernandez's, Shaw's, Travis's, and Bett's simply because they don't come carrying the baggage of being a can't miss prospect. They can all miss.

[Hugh2]

He was very close to playing at the major league level. Possibly even being a special player. He will be back and if he stays in the Sox organization, I think that he will force himself into their lineup.

 

I think he would have got a cup of coffee this year and if all was well he'd have an opportunity to compete for a spot next year.

 

 

Guess whose probability of playing time in 2017 just went up????

 

Here's a clue P.S.

[cp176]

I think he would have got a cup of coffee this year and if all was well he'd have an opportunity to compete for a spot next year.

 

 

Guess whose probability of playing time in 2017 just went up????

 

Here's a clue P.S.

 

I can see why you might hesitate to spell out his name but I agree. You just never know. There are some questions that will need to be answered and he still might be in the mix. If you take the high road here - he literally works his ass off and comes back better than ever and he plays third base with Shaw moving over to first if Papi retires. Just like with these prospects, you never know. None of the predictors using everything they had to use would have predicted the upside we have seen in Shaw and Betts for sure. I assume that you know that by saying anything loosely interpreted as being positive about PS, you have waded into troubled waters.

[Spudboy]

I think he would have got a cup of coffee this year and if all was well he'd have an opportunity to compete for a spot next year.

 

 

Guess whose probability of playing time in 2017 just went up????

 

Here's a clue P.S.

 

You mean Piece of s***?

 

Seriously, Pablo will have a hard time out playing the everyone to earn the position. Although the Sox have a problem figuring out what to do with the stiff.

[Hugh2]

You mean Piece of s***?

 

Seriously, Pablo will have a hard time out playing the everyone to earn the position. Although the Sox have a problem figuring out what to do with the stiff.

 

Hey I didn't say I liked the guy, only that with Sam Travis out for the season and likely to begin next year the odds of Sandoval getting playing time in Boston next year have increased.

[Spudboy]

Hey I didn't say I liked the guy, only that with Sam Travis out for the season and likely to begin next year the odds of Sandoval getting playing time in Boston next year have increased.

 

I can see that happening, sure.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox have to hope that the human donut works hard to get back to where he can compete for a starting job. It is the only chance that they have to squeeze any value out of his contract.

[Hugh2]

JJ Cooper @jjcoop36

Dodgers aren't the No. 1 farm system...Seager no longer eligible. Red Sox's system significantly better.

 

I wonder were Groome will fit in? My guess is right after the big 4. But I could see him 5-6 behind Kopech and Travis until he at least proves himself in pro ball. But thats good news. #1 system, and a very good young talented team at the MLB level.

[Emp9]

More of a higher love for Basabe.

 

I'm still high on Devers.

 

I thought my Hernandez ranking was the most out of line.

 

I remember thinking the player to be named later for Doubront I mean ... Hernandez took an awfully long time to appear at all. I thought the league was gonna have to step in at some point lol

[moonslav59]

I remember thinking the player to be named later for Doubront I mean ... Hernandez took an awfully long time to appear at all. I thought the league was gonna have to step in at some point lol

 

I'm still pretty high on Hernandez. He was one reason I suggested trading Guerra in so many scenarios over the winter.

[moonslav59]

I wonder were Groome will fit in? My guess is right after the big 4. But I could see him 5-6 behind Kopech and Travis until he at least proves himself in pro ball. But thats good news. #1 system, and a very good young talented team at the MLB level.\

 

My guess is he starts out 6 or 7, but I might slide him in at #5.

[Hugh2]

I wonder were Groome will fit in? My guess is right after the big 4. But I could see him 5-6 behind Kopech and Travis until he at least proves himself in pro ball. But thats good news. #1 system, and a very good young talented team at the MLB level.\

 

My guess is he starts out 6 or 7, but I might slide him in at #5.

 

That's pretty much my thoughts as well. I think he slots somewhere in that tier with Sam Travis and Michael Kopech. Maybe he slides ahead of Kopech because he was a higher ceiling but Kopech does have more success as a pro than him. But given a full year of success he should easily leap frog in with the big 4 somewhere.

[Jack Flap]

The Big Four will soon be the Big Five.

 

(Although I'm just waiting for talk radio and WEEI commenters to interpret this news as "Now we can trade Espinoza for Teheran!" or something.)

[Hugh2]

The Big Four will soon be the Big Five.

 

(Although I'm just waiting for talk radio and WEEI commenters to interpret this news as "Now we can trade Espinoza for Teheran!" or something.)

 

I'd be willing to trade anyone for the right guy, I would not trade Espinoza for Teheran. Dreaming of Espinoza and Groome at the top of a rotation is too enticing, and Espinoza is the type of guy who you center around Sale....who isn't for sale. Pun intended.

[mvp 78]

The Big Four will soon be the Big Five.

 

(Although I'm just waiting for talk radio and WEEI commenters to interpret this news as "Now we can trade Espinoza for Teheran!" or something.)

 

Aside from Michael Holley, I haven't heard anyone on EEI mention Espinoza by name. I wouldn't trade a high profile arm like his unless the Sox have concerns that he won't reach his potential.

[Jack Flap]

I'd be willing to trade anyone for the right guy, I would not trade Espinoza for Teheran. Dreaming of Espinoza and Groome at the top of a rotation is too enticing, and Espinoza is the type of guy who you center around Sale....who isn't for sale. Pun intended.

 

Oh, I wouldn't either...no way. Teheran isn't the worst guy we could go after, but I'm not sold that he'd be a TOTR type in this league/division, and it would take an unbelievable return to even contemplate trading Espinoza. I was just making up an example of the kind of attitude many casual fans seem to have toward prospects.

 

On that note, though, I am a little worried about what Dombrowski will do this summer. We're in win-now mode and pretty clearly need a pitcher, but the rumored options out there aren't terrific, and we've lost several of our more desirable trade chips outside the top four (Swihart, Kopech, Travis, possibly Holt, etc). Pulling something like the Kimbrel deal on a larger scale would be ugly.

[Jack Flap]

Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 2h2 hours ago

Yoan Moncada has been out of Salem lineup past two days while a bit banged up. Won't play in High A Cal-Carolina Lg All-Star Game on Tuesday

 

Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 2h2 hours ago

Moncada should be playing again soon, and a promotion to Double A Portland should come within days.

[Hugh2]

A guy who is not often talked about who might end up helping the big league club this year is Henry Ramos. Ramos was a 5th round pick back in 2010, and he was one of those guys who was drafted for athleticism with the hopes of taking to baseball. He was soccer player before committing to baseball. He looked like he was progressing well and having a break out season in 2014 until he was injured. He's been dealing with injuries since then off and on, but he's healthy this season and playing well in Portland/Pawtucket.

[cp176]

A guy who is not often talked about who might end up helping the big league club this year is Henry Ramos. Ramos was a 5th round pick back in 2010, and he was one of those guys who was drafted for athleticism with the hopes of taking to baseball. He was soccer player before committing to baseball. He looked like he was progressing well and having a break out season in 2014 until he was injured. He's been dealing with injuries since then off and on, but he's healthy this season and playing well in Portland/Pawtucket.

 

He might be an option someday. He is still young and he is off to a good start. Got a little hitting streak going. I wonder if Brentz is a little confused these days. He also is off to a very solid start. You would think that if the experiment continues, he might at least be deserving of a look.

[Hugh2]

He might be an option someday. He is still young and he is off to a good start. Got a little hitting streak going. I wonder if Brentz is a little confused these days. He also is off to a very solid start. You would think that if the experiment continues, he might at least be deserving of a look.

 

He's 24, not terribly young for a guy in AAA. I don't think he's a great prospect, but he was always a sleeper of mine. It's nice to see him healthy and off to a good start.

 

I've seen him in person a few times too, he's built like defensive back. Very filled out and athletic frame. Actually the first time I saw Yoan Moncada the first player I thought of was Ramos.

[moonslav59]

Aside from Michael Holley, I haven't heard anyone on EEI mention Espinoza by name. I wouldn't trade a high profile arm like his unless the Sox have concerns that he won't reach his potential.

 

While I agree, our system has not been even decent at producing top quality pitchers- even the ones rated highly by national services. There's a part of me that has begun to just not listen to any hype about our pitching prospects, I realize we haven't had a prospect ranked as highly as Espinoza in quite some time, but he's so damn young and far from a MLB mound. I'm not saying I want to trade him, but I do wonder...

 

Here's a list of our highest ranked pitching prospects on soxprospects.com:

 

2016: 3 Espinoza

2015: 1 ERod (not from our system), 3 Owens, 5 Johnson

2014: 2 Owens, 4 Webster (not from our system), 5 Ranaudo

2013: 3 Barnes, 4 Owens, 5 de la Rosa

2012: 2 Barnes, 2 Ranaudo

2011: 2 Ranaudo, 3 Doubront, 5 Pimental

2009: 1 Kelly, 2 Bowden, 5 Tazawa

2008: 1 Masterson, 2 Bowden, 5 Kelly

 

Then, there's recent higher draft picks Kopech 33, T Ball 7, Stanki 45, Johnson 31, Light 37, Barnes 19, Owens 36, Ranaudo 39, Kelly 30, Price 45, Hagadone 55, Bard 28, K Johnson 39, C Clay 43, C Hansen 26, Buchholz 42, Bowden 47 and Abe Alvarez.

 

I'm not trying to put Espinoza down. I think he's a gem, but part of me is saying "yeah right".

 

[moonslav59]

He might be an option someday. He is still young and he is off to a good start. Got a little hitting streak going. I wonder if Brentz is a little confused these days. He also is off to a very solid start. You would think that if the experiment continues, he might at least be deserving of a look.

 

I'm surprised Brentz is still on the 40-man roster.