2015 Red Sox Trade Deadline Thread

[Elktonnick]

They didn't in 2013 - it worked out well.

 

They had Lester in 2013.

[Bellhorn04]

Only Hamels fits the "deal from areas of strength to acquire pitching" philosophy, as stated previously.

 

I thought one of our areas of strength was money.

[Spudboy]

Maybe folks here can suggest ways to resolve the Sox problems? Not stuff like "trade nap". or "trade for a #1".

 

I very much doubt that the Sox will make the playoffs this year. Although like many I have softened with the Sox recent success. I think that they need to win the AL East to make the post season and they just do not have enough quality pitching.

 

When the Sox came up short building a quality rotation last winter, I suggested that they were aiming for the seeming abundance of SP in free agency after the 2015 season. With Buch going down and the likelihood of the Sox taking the East as constructed pretty much nil, I see the Sox doing as I suggested. Why trade what few good chips we have in the system for a rental when the season is toast anyway?

 

Maybe the Sox will be sellers. But who do they sell? Victorino is 4/21 since returning and is owed about $6. mil for the remainder of the season.

 

Nap is completely lost ( although he has some better numbers than Sandoval ) and is owed about the same as vic.

 

Craig is hitting a blistering .276 with a ton of Ks in AAA. Do other teams even remember when he used to be able to hit in MLB? While his contract is viewed as a bargain by some on this site, I think that another 4 years may be a hard sell. Sox would pay to jettison this stiff.

 

Can we discuss trading Castillo? It may be too soon to label him a bust for some. And that is good! Maybe some other team would like to take a chance on this Cuban Carmen Fanzone? Again, the Sox eat this deal too.

 

Koji??? What teams that believe they are in contention actually need 40 year old closer for $13. mil? And why dispose of an asset that may be useful next year if we are not in it this year?

 

I think the Sox stay the course and look to build the rotation in November. I hope so anyway. Above all, I hope they do not trade prospect chips at the deadline.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm convinced that Lackey had had enough of Boston and was willing to sit out, rather than play for $500 grand for the

Sox.

 

They royally screwed up the Lester negotiations, but it doesn't have much to do with what they should have done this off season.

 

But when they cut Lackey and Lester loose they knew it was going to leave a big hole at the top of the starting rotation, and they should have seen it all coming from the beginning of the 2014 season. They had a large amount of time to plan for all this. It was very premeditated, or it should have been.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe folks here can suggest ways to resolve the Sox problems? Not stuff like "trade nap". or "trade for a #1".

 

I very much doubt that the Sox will make the playoffs this year. Although like many I have softened with the Sox recent success. I think that they need to win the AL East to make the post season and they just do not have enough quality pitching.

 

When the Sox came up short building a quality rotation last winter, I suggested that they were aiming for the seeming abundance of SP in free agency after the 2015 season. With Buch going down and the likelihood of the Sox taking the East as constructed pretty much nil, I see the Sox doing as I suggested. Why trade what few good chips we have in the system for a rental when the season is toast anyway?

 

Maybe the Sox will be sellers. But who do they sell? Victorino is 4/21 since returning and is owed about $6. mil for the remainder of the season.

 

Nap is completely lost ( although he has some better numbers than Sandoval ) and is owed about the same as vic.

 

Craig is hitting a blistering .276 with a ton of Ks in AAA. Do other teams even remember when he used to be able to hit in MLB? While his contract is viewed as a bargain by some on this site, I think that another 4 years may be a hard sell. Sox would pay to jettison this stiff.

 

Can we discuss trading Castillo? It may be too soon to label him a bust for some. And that is good! Maybe some other team would like to take a chance on this Cuban Carmen Fanzone? Again, the Sox eat this deal too.

 

Koji??? What teams that believe they are in contention actually need 40 year old closer for $13. mil? And why dispose of an asset that may be useful next year if we are not in it this year?

 

I think the Sox stay the course and look to build the rotation in November. I hope so anyway. Above all, I hope they do not trade prospect chips at the deadline.

 

Trade Nap and Vic even if they have to pay 90% of what's left of their salaries. Get ready to play a lot of kids, including Castillo, the rest of the way.

 

Don't trade Koji.

[sk7326]

They had Lester in 2013.

 

Why yes, yes they did - the 15th most effective starter in the AL that season.

[Elktonnick]

Why yes, yes they did - the 15th most effective starter in the AL that season.

 

You aren't seriously suggesting that Lester wasn't a Nbr 1 were you? You aren't seriously suggesting that virtually every GM in baseball or that 90% of baseball writers consider Lester to be a nbr 1 are you? Furthermore going into 2013 the Sox had no need to trade or sign a nbr 1 because they had Lester and Lackey.

[a700hitter]

You aren't seriously suggesting that Lester wasn't a Nbr 1 were you? You aren't seriously suggesting that virtually every GM in baseball or that 90% of baseball writers consider Lester to be a nbr 1 are you? Furthermore going into 2013 the Sox had no need to trade or sign a nbr 1 because they had Lester and Lackey.

But he will argue that Porcello is a number 1/2 justifying his $82 million. Yes, Porcello is a #2 -- the kind that you scape off your shoe.

[a700hitter]

Lynn, Rice, Dewey, Fisk - that was a once-in-a-millennium crop, or once-in-forever. And of course none of them were pitchers. For our #1 pitchers in the 70's we had to trade for Tiant and Eck. There's almost always been a problem producing pitching.

Tiant was signed as a Free Agent after having been released by the Twins and the Braves.

[Elktonnick]

But he will argue that Porcello is a number 1/2 justifying his $82 million. Yes, Porcello is a #2 -- the kind that you scape off your shoe.

 

He may argue it but the only GM who would agree with him is the dufus in Boston.

[a700hitter]

FWIW, both Betts and Bogaerts were a full two years younger than Lynn when they hit the show and a year younger than Rice. As noted, Lynn and Rice were a once in a lifetime sort of class (and Rice in particular was the ultimate marriage of player and ballpark).

 

The arms I share the frustration - although it seems that a lot of organizational priority has been on sourcing that via other means. It is also one of the places where the draft positions of the last decade really show.

By the current age of Betts and Bogaerts, Rice was challenging Lynn for the league MVP. Lynn, the MVP and Rookie of the Year was 1 year older than Betts and XB are now. Lynn made it to the majors at age 22. Rice was 21-- same as Betts. XB made it at 20.

[sk7326]

By the current age of Betts and Bogaerts, Rice was challenging Lynn for the league MVP. Lynn, the MVP and Rookie of the Year was 1 year older than Betts and XB are now. Lynn made it to the majors at age 22. Rice was 21-- same as Betts. XB made it at 20.

 

Who didn't say Lynn wasn't extraordinary? I just giggled at the "sniff, sniff, it's not like they're producing Fred Lynn's" - almost nobody else is either.

[Spudboy]

By the current age of Betts and Bogaerts, Rice was challenging Lynn for the league MVP. Lynn, the MVP and Rookie of the Year was 1 year older than Betts and XB are now. Lynn made it to the majors at age 22. Rice was 21-- same as Betts. XB made it at 20.

 

Betts is my favorite player and I like Boagerts too.

 

Only a moron would would ever compare them with Lynn and Rice ( to date, any way ).

[a700hitter]

Who didn't say Lynn wasn't extraordinary? I just giggled at the "sniff, sniff, it's not like they're producing Fred Lynn's" - almost nobody else is either.

you were the one that brought up their ages in reference to Lynn and Rice. If not to compare them, then what was the purpose of mentioning it?

[Kimmi]

Not to be argumentative, but if that is their philosophy then why didn't execute to get a true number 1 starter like they did in years past. For some inexplicable reason, Boston has stopped doing the things that got them their 2004 and 2007 titles.

 

Honestly, I was surprised that they didn't add another a true #1 myself. That said, it seems that Hamels cost was too high. I am glad that they did not give up Swihart, Bogaerts, or Betts, and then some, to get him. What other #1 types were available through trade? Cueto? I don't remember what the deal was with him during the offseason.

 

The other #1s were free agents. Right or wrong, the Sox have made it pretty evident that they will not give long term contracts to pitchers in their 30s.

[Kimmi]

Maybe folks here can suggest ways to resolve the Sox problems? Not stuff like "trade nap". or "trade for a #1".

 

I very much doubt that the Sox will make the playoffs this year. Although like many I have softened with the Sox recent success. I think that they need to win the AL East to make the post season and they just do not have enough quality pitching.

 

When the Sox came up short building a quality rotation last winter, I suggested that they were aiming for the seeming abundance of SP in free agency after the 2015 season. With Buch going down and the likelihood of the Sox taking the East as constructed pretty much nil, I see the Sox doing as I suggested. Why trade what few good chips we have in the system for a rental when the season is toast anyway?

 

Maybe the Sox will be sellers. But who do they sell? Victorino is 4/21 since returning and is owed about $6. mil for the remainder of the season.

 

Nap is completely lost ( although he has some better numbers than Sandoval ) and is owed about the same as vic.

 

Craig is hitting a blistering .276 with a ton of Ks in AAA. Do other teams even remember when he used to be able to hit in MLB? While his contract is viewed as a bargain by some on this site, I think that another 4 years may be a hard sell. Sox would pay to jettison this stiff.

 

Can we discuss trading Castillo? It may be too soon to label him a bust for some. And that is good! Maybe some other team would like to take a chance on this Cuban Carmen Fanzone? Again, the Sox eat this deal too.

 

Koji??? What teams that believe they are in contention actually need 40 year old closer for $13. mil? And why dispose of an asset that may be useful next year if we are not in it this year?

 

I think the Sox stay the course and look to build the rotation in November. I hope so anyway. Above all, I hope they do not trade prospect chips at the deadline.

 

I do not want the FO to sell the farm. As much as I love them, I would trade Victorino or Napoli if possible. I would trade lesser prospects to try to fortify the middle of the bullpen. I don't think we're getting an ace because the cost will be too high for where we stand in terms of playoff chances, unless something drastic changes in the standings between now and the end of the month. I would not trade Koji.

[mvp 78]

Jim Rice will always be the greatest to me.

[Palodios]

Here's a crazy idea.

 

How about if the Red Sox stay put? They don't buy. They don't sell. They give the team a chance.

 

Maybe they look for a 4.50 ERA inning eater type, but otherwise stay put. This team has no high value free agents. If they can't get any high ceiling prospects for Koji/Ogando/Hanley/Buchholz or salary relief for some of the stinkers then why bother?

[jacksonianmarch]

Pal, they might not have much of a choice. I think the only guy they can and might want to deal is Koji. 40 year old closers are a big risk, especially year to year. I know the sox would need one next yr, or a setup guy at least, but there is no guarantee that he's "Koji" next year anyway. Closers are never worth more than at the ASB, and this year is no different. There are about 4 teams who are out of it entirely at the ASB, so you have a lot of teams potentially interested. Plus, he's signed to a big money deal, but with his production, it isn't unreasonable. He's also another guy frequently on the DL. Deal him while he is healthy and don't be on the hook when age catches up to him

[Palodios]

Pal, they might not have much of a choice. I think the only guy they can and might want to deal is Koji. 40 year old closers are a big risk, especially year to year. I know the sox would need one next yr, or a setup guy at least, but there is no guarantee that he's "Koji" next year anyway. Closers are never worth more than at the ASB, and this year is no different. There are about 4 teams who are out of it entirely at the ASB, so you have a lot of teams potentially interested. Plus, he's signed to a big money deal, but with his production, it isn't unreasonable. He's also another guy frequently on the DL. Deal him while he is healthy and don't be on the hook when age catches up to him

 

If someone is willing to give up a top prospect for an expensive closer, Papelbon wouldn't be on the Phillies right now.

 

Why trade a guy who has performed when you're not getting talent back, and you're going to have to look at the single riskiest and unreliable position in free agency ? Jenks, Melancon and Bailey are not distant memories.

[a700hitter]

Does this mean they will be buying?

 

Red Sox skipper John Farrell says that he sees good reason to acquire more pitching before the deadline, as Jason Mastrodonato of the Boston Herald reports on Twitter. Though Farrell indicated that he is confident in the current staff, he went on to say that “to add some arms to the group that we have … would go a long way to stabilize things.”

[Spudboy]

Does this mean they will be buying?

 

It means that he knows that the Sox need to buy more pitching.

 

"“to add some arms to the group that we have … would go a long way to stabilize things.”

 

And that is his way of diplomatically saying that the Sox pitching sucks donkey dicks.

[User Name]

I'd buy on a top-flight pitcher if the possibility of signing an extension came along with the prospect package. Looking straight at Cueto.

[jacksonianmarch]

UN, you are definitely on to something. A rental for 2015 is dumb, but beating a team to the punch for 2016 would be shrewd

[mvp 78]

Does this mean they will be buying?

 

It means, don't change the channel NESN viewers until after the deadline when nothing happens.

Edited July 14, 2015 by mvp 78

[User Name]

The Sox need to cash in on their prospect depth either ways. Too many blocked mid-to-above average level guys.

[cp176]

The Sox need to cash in on their prospect depth either ways. Too many blocked mid-to-above average level guys.

 

An accurate statement. Some good athletes but a number could be blocked for a long time. Keeping gym eye on Guerra's development even though he is a ss.

[a700hitter]

It means, don't change the channel NESN viewers until after the deadline when nothing happens.

LOL!!! There is that disappointed feeling when the 4 pm deadline passes and you just hope that the announcements are late.

[jacksonianmarch]

UN, the thing about getting a guy like Cueto, though, is that you're gonna have to move the top of the top to get him

[Kimmi]

I'd buy on a top-flight pitcher if the possibility of signing an extension came along with the prospect package. Looking straight at Cueto.

 

Depending on the cost, that would be a good idea. I certainly hope the FO doesn't give up anything of significance for a 2 month rental.

 

I think what will likely end up happening is they add a pen arm and possibly an innings, depth type starter. At this point, I don't foresee any big splash.