2015 Red Sox In-Season Thread

[User Name]

It looks worse now, doesn't it? I don't understand what you said.

 

Not the trade, when they signed him. He sucked year one, had TJ, then helped them to a championship and was very good until they traded him, and he's still looking good with the Cards.

[Spudboy]

Not the trade, when they signed him. He sucked year one, had TJ, then helped them to a championship and was very good until they traded him, and he's still looking good with the Cards.

 

I thought that you were referring to the Cards trade.

 

I agree, obviously.

[Bellhorn04]

This is where stats go off the rails when they get tortured like this. First of all, Porcello's regression/reversion would likely bring him to a 4.25 ERA which is clearly a #4 or 5-- that is what he has been for almost 6 seasons. That is the best gauge of what he is, not some tortured application of a statiscal average. Seriously, Bells you are reaching with this.

 

You assumed I was talking about Porcello, but I was merely trying to make the point that a 4 ERA is an average #3, which is a mathematical fact.

[iortiz]

Can't do s*** with Porcello. Can't send him down, certainly can't trade him, and the $80 million hasn't even kicked in yet. Thanks, Ben.

 

Yup and this is just a little taste of what is coming. They need to get rid of this guy somehow; as I said since day 1, ALEs teams will eat this guy alive. He is the worst SP in the AL. Send him to Chicago or something.

[iortiz]

Hanley is an offensive force. He always has been. The problem with his acquisition isn't when he's carrying the bat, it's when he is carrying the glove. Even with his 16HR and his solid offense, he's a minus WAR player because of his position change. And it isn't like he's a solid clubhouse guy either. He'll be worth less as long as he's in the OF.

 

Porcello had been mediocre for practically his whole career until last year. The thought was her build on it. He's showing that he's not cut out to play in Boston and last year was the aberrancy rather than the new norm. It was a calculated risk with an attempt to limit financial exposure over the long term, and it has backfired. At the time it seemed like a smart move, but the armchair GMs aren't the ones making millions from the Sox corporation. You get held accountable by results and that signing looks terrible right now.

They should have waited and see at least a dozen starts before giving him that contract. For this and other bad decisions in the last 4 years, BC has to go.

Edited July 3, 2015 by iortiz

[iortiz]

This is where stats go off the rails when they get tortured like this. First of all, Porcello's regression/reversion would likely bring him to a 4.25 ERA which is clearly a #4 or 5-- that is what he has been for almost 6 seasons. That is the best gauge of what he is, not some tortured application of a statiscal average. Seriously, Bells you are reaching with this.

 

Correct. If you want a 4.25-4.5 ERA guy, you do not need to lock out a guy. Every year emerge a lot of pitchers with that profile or better via FA/farm/trades and way cheaper, so you do not need to commit that kind of money for a guy like Porcello. The thing is to pull the trigger at the right bird. Thing is that BC's telescopic sight is not working, since he is not a good hunter, sorry, GM.

Edited July 3, 2015 by iortiz

[a700hitter]

Correct. If you want a 4.25-4.5 ERA guy, you do not need to lock out a guy. Every year emerge a lot of pitchers with that profile or better via FA/farm/trades and way cheaper, so you do not need to commit that kind of money for that profile, the thing is to pull the trigger at the right bird. Thing is that BC's telescopic sight is not working, since he is not a good hunter, sorry, GM.

 

I find it interesting that people argue that Porcello's mechanics have been tinkered with by Red Sox coaches. What is the point of that argument... That he isn't having a rotten season, that his contract is really a good value? Imo, whether he changed his approach and what might have influenced that decision is meaningless. He obviously needs to make adjustments or he will find himself out of the rotation. Blaming others for his failure is just emblematic of how society fails to hold people accountable for their own failures. I guess some people view Porcello and Ben as victims? Absurd...right.

[a700hitter]

You assumed I was talking about Porcello, but I was merely trying to make the point that a 4 ERA is an average #3, which is a mathematical fact.

I assumed that you were talking about Porcello, because that is who we have been discussing. I am not sure that your abstract statement has any practical correlation. Anyway, try to stay on topic, Bells. Focus.

[cp176]

They have had this briefly with De Aza, Betts, and Bradley.

 

Unfortunately Hanley does have to be in the lineup. His bat is too valuable. Now Vic is coming back to stir things up even further. When Pedroia comes back Holt will be playing OF as well.

 

Currently they are stuck with Ramirez in left field. In another year , not so much. I understand him not wanting to transition to another position this year but not next. More tough decisions are going to have to be made. First base, third base, or dh but never again in left field.

[iortiz]

I find it interesting that people argue that Porcello's mechanics have been tinkered with by Red Sox coaches. What is the point of that argument... That he isn't having a rotten season, that his contract is really a good value? Imo, whether he changed his approach and what might have influenced that decision is meaningless. He obviously needs to make adjustments or he will find himself out of the rotation. Blaming others for his failure is just emblematic of how society fails to hold people accountable for their own failures. I guess some people view Porcello and Ben as victims? Absurd...right.

 

 

U? is the only one beating that drum and making s*** up expecting that it sticks on the wall since it match his flaw thoughts, i.e. He is trying to dodge the fact that Porcello is simply a bad pitcher, why? IDK. Elk, bell, me and others have provided links. On the other hand he has not provided a single evidence of his s*** up, instead and as always he insists in insulting and provoking people.

 

Quoting Bruce Hornsby..."That's just the way it is, some things will never change..." LOL!

[SoxnCycles]

U? is the only one beating that drum and making s*** up expecting that it sticks on the wall since it match his flaw thoughts, i.e. He is trying to dodge the fact that Porcello is simply a bad pitcher, why? IDK. Elk, bell, me and others have provided links. On the other hand he has not provided a single evidence of his s*** up, instead and as always he insists in insulting and provoking people.

 

Quoting Bruce Hornsby..."That's just the way it is, some things will never change..." LOL!

 

No one has said Porcello has not sucked.

 

As for starting s***, I haven't seen him call someone a faggot yet.

That would be you, cabrón.

Edited July 3, 2015 by SoxnCycles

[User Name]

He can't read for s***.

[sk7326]

You assumed I was talking about Porcello, but I was merely trying to make the point that a 4 ERA is an average #3, which is a mathematical fact.

 

Porcello had as good a season as John Lackey had the last two seasons - he has been bad this year, duh

[a700hitter]

Porcello had as good a season as John Lackey had the last two seasons - he has been bad this year, duh

Lackey's ERA in 2013 was .80 better than Porcello.

[mvp 78]

Porcello started the season ok. He's been dog s*** since Hannigan got hurt though.

[a700hitter]

Porcello started the season ok. He's been dog s*** since Hannigan got hurt though.

Hopefully, Hanigan can get him back on track, because he has been worse than Kelly and Masterson lately.

[mvp 78]

Dog s*** was being too kind.

[a700hitter]

An insult to dog s***.

[iortiz]

No one has said Porcello has not sucked.

 

As for starting s***, I haven't seen him call someone a faggot yet.

That would be you, cabrón.

LoL! Yeah, Soy un cabrón de primera carnal.

[iortiz]

Porcello started the season ok. He's been dog s*** since Hannigan got hurt though.

Actually he started slow in his first 4 starts. In the very next 4 he was ok. Then? Garbage.

[a700hitter]

Hey SoxNCycles get lost with your smearing trolling tactics. Get f***ing lost, *******.

[VA Sox Fan]

Hey SoxNCycles get lost with your smearing trolling tactics. Get f***ing lost, *******.

 

You tell him freddy! Nice personal attack. Hypocrite.

[a700hitter]

You tell him freddy! Nice personal attack. Hypocrite.

Thank you.

[VA Sox Fan]

Thank you.

 

Any time.

[SoxnCycles]

You tell him freddy! Nice personal attack. Hypocrite.

 

The ambulance chaser should change his sig to "King of Hypocrisy".

[sk7326]

Lackey's ERA in 2013 was .80 better than Porcello.

 

And when you adjust for SoS and quality of fielders behind them and parks, it evens out ... 2.8/2.5 (bWAR/fWAR) for Lackey, 2.4/2.8 for Porcello

 

I suppose the FO Calculus was replacing LAckey with somebody of equivalent quality but 9 years younger. Plenty of time to adjudicate this - his compensation is not silly, but clearly this is not what either party expected.

[a700hitter]

And when you adjust for SoS and quality of fielders behind them and parks, it evens out ... 2.8/2.5 (bWAR/fWAR) for Lackey, 2.4/2.8 for Porcello

 

I suppose the FO Calculus was replacing LAckey with somebody of equivalent quality but 9 years younger. Plenty of time to adjudicate this - his compensation is not silly, but clearly this is not what either party expected.

Lackey is a far better pitcher when healthy than Porcello. Lackey's career stats are somewhat skewed by an injured season where he continued to pitch and put up one of the all-time worst seasons by a starting pitcher with an ERA over 6. It sticks out like a sore thumb on his record.

[iortiz]

Lackey is a far better pitcher when healthy than Porcello. Lackey's career stats are somewhat skewed by an injured season where he continued to pitch and put up one of the all-time worst seasons by a starting pitcher with an ERA over 6. It sticks out like a sore thumb on his record.

 

Any pitcher these days is better than Porcello. Porcello in the ALE is going to be destroyed. Try to send him CHC.

[sk7326]

BTW: He won't, because of W/L and the general fetish with relievers in the midsummer classic, but Buchholz being an All-Star would not be crazy at all

[Behindenemylines]

35 of final 79 games against AL East teams. 10 against $pankees. Sox would have to play amazing well to get back in it. Don't think they have the pitching to have that kind of success. The chance is there though.