2015 Red Sox In-Season Thread

[Palodios]

The BL is that other GMs always find a way to get good players and we don't. Said that, BC has to go.

 

Hanley is on pace for 30 HR, and Eduardo Rodriguez is looking like a future stud pitcher. Ben has made some terrible moves lately, but to say he hasn't found any good players is ridiculous.

[User Name]

Hanley is on pace for 30 HR, and Eduardo Rodriguez is looking like a future stud pitcher. Ben has made some terrible moves lately, but to say he hasn't found any good players is ridiculous.

 

You're looking at the wrong place while trying to apply logic. Good luck.

[mvp 78]

I seem to remember someone extolling the virtues of Toronto's and Miami's offseasons a few seasons ago. Hindsight is wonderful, isn't it?

[iortiz]

Hanley is on pace for 30 HR, and Eduardo Rodriguez is looking like a future stud pitcher. Ben has made some terrible moves lately, but to say he hasn't found any good players is ridiculous.

 

When I make the balance, it is not favaroble by far, it's just what I'm saying. We are one of the worst teams in baseball. He has to go.

Edited July 2, 2015 by iortiz

[iortiz]

Seems like Larry is embarraseed as well haha.. Geeez!

 

This FO has to go, this franshise is going right to the drain just like that.

[Bellhorn04]

Hanley is on pace for 30 HR, and Eduardo Rodriguez is looking like a future stud pitcher. Ben has made some terrible moves lately, but to say he hasn't found any good players is ridiculous.

 

And De Aza is turning out to be a superb dumpster dive.

[sk7326]

What is interesting about Cherington is that the areas where an "eye for talent" actually matters, he has been quite good.

[iortiz]

Pitching? LOL!

[iortiz]

... Which areas you are talking about?

[a700hitter]

What is interesting about Cherington is that the areas where an "eye for talent" actually matters, he has been quite good.

 

Catering and event decoration don't count.

[Elktonnick]

What is interesting about Cherington is that the areas where an "eye for talent" actually matters, he has been quite good.

 

Heidi Watney and Jenny Dell !

[a700hitter]

Heidi Watney and Jenny Dell !

 

Lol!

[a700hitter]

This guy Delabar may be cut out to be a Red Sox starter. I' m thinking 3 years $24 million.

[Northern Star]

Can't do s*** with Porcello. Can't send him down, certainly can't trade him, and the $80 million hasn't even kicked in yet. Thanks, Ben.

[Northern Star]

What is interesting about Cherington is that the areas where an "eye for talent" actually matters, he has been quite good.

 

How is that statement even defensible?

[User Name]

Can't do s*** with Porcello. Can't send him down, certainly can't trade him, and the $80 million hasn't even kicked in yet. Thanks, Ben.

 

He's a couple of months into his contract. Are you serious with this BS?

[jacksonianmarch]

Hanley is an offensive force. He always has been. The problem with his acquisition isn't when he's carrying the bat, it's when he is carrying the glove. Even with his 16HR and his solid offense, he's a minus WAR player because of his position change. And it isn't like he's a solid clubhouse guy either. He'll be worth less as long as he's in the OF.

 

Porcello had been mediocre for practically his whole career until last year. The thought was her build on it. He's showing that he's not cut out to play in Boston and last year was the aberrancy rather than the new norm. It was a calculated risk with an attempt to limit financial exposure over the long term, and it has backfired. At the time it seemed like a smart move, but the armchair GMs aren't the ones making millions from the Sox corporation. You get held accountable by results and that signing looks terrible right now.

[jacksonianmarch]

Also, Beane didn't get the credit he deserves for the Donaldson deal. Yes, he's killing it in Toronto. But Beane has had to retool that roster and years of financial commitments with losing aren't what his org can tolerate. Grave man and the rooks are the big get. Lawrie is the placeholder who is playing well, and in a year or two, he'll be dealt off for a nice haul as well. You didn't have a Lawrie. You had a K machine who had two good months in the bigs

[jacksonianmarch]

Another thing nobody seems to be looking at is what Cespedes has done. He's a 2+ WAR player right now in Detroit on a cheap one year deal. Had you signed Lester and kept Cespedes, you'd have 4WAR between the two of them with a commitment of $150 mil including the year. With Hanley and Porcello, you have a combined 0WAR with $193 mil commitment including this year and not including Hanely's option

[User Name]

Except that, as bad as Porcello's been, Lester's been pretty much a league-average pitcher (102 ERA+), but the key here is SO FAR. You can't judge either his or Porcello's contract based on three months of play. Porcello has proven nothing, and neither has Lester, until they've played a significant amount of time from their contracts. The Lackey deal looked like an unmitigated disaster at first, yet look at how it turned out.

[jacksonianmarch]

Absolutely. If Hanley moves to 1b and is a league average defender and continues to drop bombs, his signing will look better. If Porcello can keep the ball in the yard, his signing will look better. This sample is 80 games. Not a SSS anymore, but to this point 1/8th of a commitment to Hanley and 1/10th of The commitment to Porcello.

[a700hitter]

Absolutely. If Hanley moves to 1b and is a league average defender and continues to drop bombs, his signing will look better. If Porcello can keep the ball in the yard, his signing will look better. This sample is 80 games. Not a SSS anymore, but to this point 1/8th of a commitment to Hanley and 1/10th of The commitment to Porcello.

if Porcello starts keeping the ball in the park and gets his sinker back, he will revert (regress) to being a 4 ERA starter who will throw 200 innings a year. That is very useful for a #4 or 5, but not worth $82 million over 4 years. It just isn't. Fourth and fifth starters move from team to team pretty regularly from year to year without a big financial commitment. Ben outsmarted himself on this deal.

[Bellhorn04]

if Porcello starts keeping the ball in the park and gets his sinker back, he will revert (regress) to being a 4 ERA starter who will throw 200 innings a year. That is very useful for a #4 or 5, but not worth $82 million over 4 years. It just isn't. Fourth and fifth starters move from team to team pretty regularly from year to year without a big financial commitment. Ben outsmarted himself on this deal.

 

The average starter in the AL this year has an ERA of 4.03. The average guy is in the middle of the rotation, the #3. Simple math says a 4 ERA currently equates to a #3 starter, doesn't it?

[cp176]

if Porcello starts keeping the ball in the park and gets his sinker back, he will revert (regress) to being a 4 ERA starter who will throw 200 innings a year. That is very useful for a #4 or 5, but not worth $82 million over 4 years. It just isn't. Fourth and fifth starters move from team to team pretty regularly from year to year without a big financial commitment. Ben outsmarted himself on this deal.

 

Since once again it does appear that their budget knows no restraint, I imagine it was a risk worth taking to lockup both Porcello and Miley. Wonder how Bucholtz feels about his contract right about now. Betts and Bogaerts and Rodriguez still make them a team worth watching.

[a700hitter]

The average starter in the AL this year has an ERA of 4.03. The average guy is in the middle of the rotation, the #3. Simple math says a 4 ERA currently equates to a #3 starter, doesn't it?

 

This is where stats go off the rails when they get tortured like this. First of all, Porcello's regression/reversion would likely bring him to a 4.25 ERA which is clearly a #4 or 5-- that is what he has been for almost 6 seasons. That is the best gauge of what he is, not some tortured application of a statiscal average. Seriously, Bells you are reaching with this.

[a700hitter]

Since once again it does appear that their budget knows no restraint, I imagine it was a risk worth taking to lockup both Porcello and Miley. Wonder how Bucholtz feels about his contract right about now. Betts and Bogaerts and Rodriguez still make them a team worth watching.

 

They will need to build a starting rotation, sooner or later or this will continue to be a 4th or last place team going forward into 2016.

[cp176]

They will need to build a starting rotation, sooner or later or this will continue to be a 4th or last place team going forward into 2016.

 

I don't think that they are that far away either. My wish list would include a proven top of the rotation starter for one. The heat would be off Porcello - who could become that 4 or 5 again - his comfort zone. I would also like to see them put 3 players in the outfield who can catch and throw on a regular basis.

[User Name]

This is where stats go off the rails when they get tortured like this. First of all, Porcello's regression/reversion would likely bring him to a 4.25 ERA which is clearly a #4 or 5-- that is what he has been for almost 6 seasons. That is the best gauge of what he is, not some tortured application of a statiscal average. Seriously, Bells you are reaching with this.

 

What you're saying makees zero sense. You have no clue what you're talking about.

[Spudboy]

Except that, as bad as Porcello's been, Lester's been pretty much a league-average pitcher (102 ERA+), but the key here is SO FAR. You can't judge either his or Porcello's contract based on three months of play. Porcello has proven nothing, and neither has Lester, until they've played a significant amount of time from their contracts. The Lackey deal looked like an unmitigated disaster at first, yet look at how it turned out.

 

It looks worse now, doesn't it? I don't understand what you said.

[Spudboy]

I don't think that they are that far away either. My wish list would include a proven top of the rotation starter for one. The heat would be off Porcello - who could become that 4 or 5 again - his comfort zone. I would also like to see them put 3 players in the outfield who can catch and throw on a regular basis.

 

They have had this briefly with De Aza, Betts, and Bradley.

 

Unfortunately Hanley does have to be in the lineup. His bat is too valuable. Now Vic is coming back to stir things up even further. When Pedroia comes back Holt will be playing OF as well.