2015 Red Sox In-Season Thread

[Kimmi]

This team is not far from that model.

 

You need a hug Spudboy.

[Spudboy]

You need a hug Spudboy.

 

Yes I do.

[Kimmi]

Yes I do.

 

LOL

 

{Hugs}

[Spudboy]

LOL

 

{Hugs}

 

Garcia.

[mvp 78]

You need a hug MVP.

 

Hugs won't make this team go over .500. They don't have the heart.

[jad]

Wut u got aginst Scott Cooper mate?!?

 

 

90s? That was heaven compared to late 50s and early 60s: the great ones--Gary Geiger, Ike Delock, and Pa-puh-pumpsy Green.

[jad]

well, $10 million/year will only get you so much.

[a700hitter]

After that stretch of good pitching, our pitching a regressed all the way to 14th in the AL in ERA and 27th in MLB going into tonight's game. That will certainly look worse after tonight's game.

[Kimmi]

Hugs won't make this team go over .500. They don't have the heart.

 

I need a hug after last night's game. LOL

 

I don't believe that this team doesn't have the heart. They have it, they just need to have a couple of things break their way, and they'll get on a roll.

[Kimmi]

After that stretch of good pitching, our pitching a regressed all the way to 14th in the AL in ERA and 27th in MLB going into tonight's game. That will certainly look worse after tonight's game.

 

You have to expect a game like last night's every now and then, probably more often with our rotation than with some others. That is why losing all of those well-pitched games hurts so much. When the pitching holds the opponent to under 5 runs, the offense has to come through.

[Bellhorn04]

We now have a run differential of -42 in 42 games, so we're on pace for a differential of -162. Our Pythagorean record is 17-25.

[a700hitter]

We now have a run differential of -42 in 42 games, so we're on pace for a differential of -162. Our Pythagorean record is 17-25.

 

An enigma. Our record should be much worse.

[Bellhorn04]

How about this for enigmas - the Rays might win this division with a $50 million payroll, with no Moore, no Cobb, and now Smyly out for the season.

[Kimmi]

An enigma. Our record should be much worse.

 

Our record is not an enigma. The enigma is why we our offense has been so bad.

[Kimmi]

How about this for enigmas - the Rays might win this division with a $50 million payroll, with no Moore, no Cobb, and now Smyly out for the season.

 

That's true, but there's a long way to go. I'm not ready to crown them as division champs yet.

 

That said, as much as I dislike the Rays, better them than the Yankees.

[a700hitter]

Our record is not an enigma. The enigma is why we our offense has been so bad.

 

Based on our run differential, our record is also an enigma. Our record should be far worse.

[Bellhorn04]

Our record is not an enigma. The enigma is why we our offense has been so bad.

 

Kimmi, your attitude is terrific. But if you were to put on your objective stat-guru hat when you look at us, to forget for a moment we're your team, you'd have to concede we flat out stink.

[Kimmi]

Based on our run differential, our record is also an enigma. Our record should be far worse.

 

It should be 2 games worse, which is not far worse. Call it an enigma if you want, which clearly you want, but not because you really think that it's an enigma. The real enigma is still why the offense is not hitting and scoring runs.

 

I am not denying that we have been fortunate in terms of run differential, not to mention that many of those runs were unearned, but Pythagorean W-L and run differential will become more significant as the season wears on.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi, your attitude is terrific. But if you were to put on your objective stat-guru hat when you look at us, to forget for a moment we're your team, you'd have to concede we flat out stink.

 

Oh no doubt. We have played terribly to date. I'm not trying to say otherwise. What I'm trying to say is that our level of performance does not match our level of talent, and there is no reason to believe that it will not get better.

[Station 13]

An enigma. Our record should be much worse.

 

Our record is about right. Inconsistent play all around.

[Bellhorn04]

Oh no doubt. We have played terribly to date. I'm not trying to say otherwise. What I'm trying to say is that our level of performance does not match our level of talent, and there is no reason to believe that it will not get better.

 

I'm afraid there are solid reasons for doubt, Kimmi.

 

On paper, we took a 71-91 team, we added Hanley and Panda, but we subtracted Lester and Lackey.

 

It's conceivable that Papi, Napoli and Pedroia are all in decline phases. Victorino is a no-show. Betts has been decent, but short of expectations. Panda and Nava are automatic outs against lefties. Now I guess we have to hope Castillo can bring something.

[wyo-sox]

Oh no doubt. We have played terribly to date. I'm not trying to say otherwise. What I'm trying to say is that our level of performance does not match our level of talent, and there is no reason to believe that it will not get better.

 

It hasn't matched for 3 / 4 years... and performance was well over talent level in 2013... so basically the core of this team sucks.

[a700hitter]

It should be 2 games worse, which is not far worse. Call it an enigma if you want, which clearly you want, but not because you really think that it's an enigma. The real enigma is still why the offense is not hitting and scoring runs.

 

I am not denying that we have been fortunate in terms of run differential, not to mention that many of those runs were unearned, but Pythagorean W-L and run differential will become more significant as the season wears on.

I don't think the W-L record in light of our run differential is an enigma at all, nor do I think our hitting is an enigma or our pitching. You can find statistics that will back lots of conflicting theories. The stats show that our hitters should be producing more, but the run differential shows that we should be losing more games. It's the art of statistics, finding the stats that support your argument. I don't need any stats to tell me that this is not a good team. The whole division is a pile of dog crap, so I can see us being competitive until the end as the entire division sputters to the finish. I can also see that Tampa, Baltimore or the Yankees catch fire and run away from the rest of the field. The Sox and Toronto will languish and need to hope that everyone plays down to our level. There is a possibility that we get a spark from Johnson or Rodriguez for our pitching staff, but I don't think that will be enough for this soggy collection of mediocrity to catch fire.

[Spudboy]

I think that this is a fair assessment.

 

Of course things COULD turn around, that is true. The thing is that we are scratching our heads trying to understand why this team sucks while at the same time saying that this can not last forever. That makes no sense at all. It is wishful thinking backed by a bunch of stats that are no longer relevant.

 

This team is not built to win a championship of any kind this year.

[mvp 78]

It hasn't matched for 3 / 4 years... and performance was well over talent level in 2013... so basically the core of this team sucks.

 

Not sure what the 2012 team has to do with 2015. The only guys left are Ortiz, Buch and Papi.

[User Name]

The stats say they suck so far, and predict them to keep sucking. I don't understand how, when it's clear to both the naked eye and the statistics, that they've been terrible, we can turn this into a stat hate-fest. They are not making solid contact, and it's not a fluke, it's a team-wide problem. They keep grounding out and hitting weak liners and flyballs on middle-middle pitches, as shown by the Gameday and Brooks data from Thursday's game. Whatever problem they have, it's a team-wide problem, and needs to be corrected ASAP.

 

That said, I don't understand how a team that should mash lefties can't mash lefties, or the futility with RISP. Some of that stuff is bound to correct itself, but it's not enough by itself to overcome the mediocre pitching. They need to mash. They were built to mash. Why aren't they mashing?

[User Name]

By the way, whoever complains about Mookie needs to be taken to the firing squad. He's the one guy who has legitimately been a victim of bad luck. He's been stinging the ball to all fields and providing good AB's on a consistent basis against both righties and lefties all season.

[Spudboy]

By the way, whoever complains about Mookie needs to be taken to the firing squad. He's the one guy who has legitimately been a victim of bad luck. He's been stinging the ball to all fields and providing good AB's on a consistent basis against both righties and lefties all season.

 

Yup. That kid is just a very good hitter.

 

He'll take some lumps but the talent is going to prevail.

[wyo-sox]

Not sure what the 2012 team has to do with 2015. The only guys left are Ortiz, Buch and Papi.

I think we had the same second baseman through those years. In addition the core includes management. Pedy, and Papi are supposed to be the leaders of the club adn solid bats. Buch should be a dependable starter. The connection through the last four years is the team sucks.

[User Name]

I think we had the same second baseman through those years. In addition the core includes management. Pedy, and Papi are supposed to be the leaders of the club adn solid bats. Buch should be a dependable starter. The connection through the last four years is the team sucks.

 

That's still full of logical leaps and bounds.