What can Joe Kelly become?

[a700hitter]

I know you weren't attacking me. It does seem strange to me that all of the positive pundits who have been criticizing anyone who has even hinted that this pitching staff in general does look like it sucks have not come after you. I actually tend to lean in your direction but I haven't been able to get away with questioning any of their moves. Truthfully if I thought Owens and maybe other not named Swihart or Betts would get us Hamels, I would be tempted to pull the trigger.

 

The rumor is out there that swihart may make the club if Vasquez is injured. I guess they didn't learn last year from exposing our top prospects who were not ready and tanking their value. We may regret not getting Hamel's for Swihart.

[cp176]

The rumor is out there that swihart may make the club if Vasquez is injured. I guess they didn't learn last year from exposing our top prospects who were not ready and tanking their value. We may regret not getting Hamel's for Swihart.

 

You might be right. I should have said anyone not named Betts. that one I will stick to.

[Spudboy]

At this juncture, it might not look very fruitful for the Sox, but geez, it is extremely early in the juncture. I would prefer to have Lackey on the team right now, but we have a long way to go before we can determine whether this trade is fruitful for the Sox or not.

 

It's been little more than a bust now Kimmi. I suppose we can all continue to wait for either or both of Kelly and Craig to become more than what they are now. But how long is long enough?

 

To date, the deal with the Cards is no more than a stinker.

[Spudboy]

Craig is a spare part right now. He could end up being much more than that. Kelly is winning the Cy Young this year. Haven't you heard?

 

So Craig's value is defined by his desirable contract if he performs to 75% of what he used to be?

 

If not, he will have to absolutely rake in limited AB to build any value at all.

 

I don't see it happening. And he is mediocre defensively.

 

Sell low, I say.

 

Then don't make stupid trades anymore.

[User Name]

0-162.

[Kimmi]

It's been little more than a bust now Kimmi. I suppose we can all continue to wait for either or both of Kelly and Craig to become more than what they are now. But how long is long enough?

 

To date, the deal with the Cards is no more than a stinker.

 

 

The trade being a bust so far is meaningless, IMO. It's been all of 2 months of a lost season.

 

Craig was still battling injury last year, along with confidence issues that came with the injury and being traded. He looks a lot better so far in ST than he looked with the Sox last year. Don't you think that it's possible for him to rebound to the point of being a very good hitter?

[Kimmi]

So Craig's value is defined by his desirable contract if he performs to 75% of what he used to be?

 

If not, he will have to absolutely rake in limited AB to build any value at all.

 

I don't see it happening. And he is mediocre defensively.

 

Sell low, I say.

 

Then don't make stupid trades anymore.

 

 

No, if Craig performs to 75% of what he used to be, that makes him approximately a 2 WAR player and a solid starter. The fact that his salary for next year is $5.5 mil would make that an excellent value. Add to that the approximately .5 WAR that Kelly is projected to add, and they together are worth about the same in Wins as Lackey projects to be.

 

Additionally, Lackey would have only been with the team for one more year. Craig and Kelly are both under team control for several years.

 

You might not like it, but that does not make it a stupid trade.

[Bellhorn04]

I do not like it when Fred is one of the most positive posters on this board!!!!!!!

 

LOL, it's true. Fred is practically in the 'voice of reason' category lately.

[Kimmi]

LOL, it's true. Fred is practically in the 'voice of reason' category lately.

 

 

LOL I know! And it's scary!

[mvp 78]

If we only had Lackey we'd surely be WS favorites!

[a700hitter]

No, if Craig performs to 75% of what he used to be, that makes him approximately a 2 WAR player and a solid starter. The fact that his salary for next year is $5.5 mil would make that an excellent value. Add to that the approximately .5 WAR that Kelly is projected to add, and they together are worth about the same in Wins as Lackey projects to be.

 

Additionally, Lackey would have only been with the team for one more year. Craig and Kelly are both under team control for several years.

 

You might not like it, but that does not make it a stupid trade.

Craig is going to have a hard time finding playing time on this roster. That is the problem for him.

[Spudboy]

Lots of ifs for the trade to become what is deemed equal to what Lackey would have provided this year.

 

No, I don't say that having lackey would put this team over the top and be a post season favorite. And I believe unless Lackey sucked again that he could have been signed to a reasonable extension. Unless he was being a major twat about it.

 

a700 is right. It may be hard for Craig to get enough AB to be a major contributor on this team this year.

 

I love depth because it helps in the grind of a long season and increase the chances of playing meaningful ball in October. I just see Craig as excess baggage now. The Sox have depth to cover his two positions.

[User Name]

Craig will play, because two of the three OF pieces (Hanley, Victorino) are injury prone, and Napoli is coming off major surgery, and they will probably handle him with care.

[Spudboy]

Craig will play, because two of the three OF pieces (Hanley, Victorino) are injury prone, and Napoli is coming off major surgery, and they will probably handle him with care.

 

Edes wrote today that trade talk involving Craig has increased to the point that many feel he will be gone before the Sox break camp.

 

Good.

[Kimmi]

Craig is going to have a hard time finding playing time on this roster. That is the problem for him.

 

 

If everyone stays healthy, that is a possibility for this year. Regardless, he is a good player to have for depth. He also has 2 options remaining, so while I don't see it happening, he could be sent to AAA also.

[Kimmi]

Edes wrote today that trade talk involving Craig has increased to the point that many feel he will be gone before the Sox break camp.

 

Good.

 

 

It depends on what the Sox get for him, but trading him just to get rid of "excess baggage" is not good.

[Spudboy]

It depends on what the Sox get for him, but trading him just to get rid of "excess baggage" is not good.

 

I agree with that Sisterwoman.

 

They should get a decent arm.

[Ogden]

No, if Craig performs to 75% of what he used to be, that makes him approximately a 2 WAR player and a solid starter. The fact that his salary for next year is $5.5 mil would make that an excellent value. Add to that the approximately .5 WAR that Kelly is projected to add, and they together are worth about the same in Wins as Lackey projects to be.

 

Additionally, Lackey would have only been with the team for one more year. Craig and Kelly are both under team control for several years.

 

You might not like it, but that does not make it a stupid trade.

 

 

St. Louis likes Lackey so much they refused to renegotiate or extend his contract and he's making $500K. I don't like the guy but you would think they would at least give him an incentive laden deal for this year just to make him feel wanted ... or maybe not.

[Kimmi]

St. Louis likes Lackey so much they refused to renegotiate or extend his contract and he's making $500K. I don't like the guy but you would think they would at least give him an incentive laden deal for this year just to make him feel wanted ... or maybe not.

 

 

I have nothing against Lackey and defended him many times when he was pitching like crap for us. I thought that the Sox would renegotiate his contract before he was traded last year. It leaves me wondering how much truth there was to Lackey saying that he would retire before pitching for the league minimum, and if there were some hard feelings between the two sides over that issue.

[Spudboy]

I have nothing against Lackey and defended him many times when he was pitching like crap for us. I thought that the Sox would renegotiate his contract before he was traded last year. It leaves me wondering how much truth there was to Lackey saying that he would retire before pitching for the league minimum, and if there were some hard feelings between the two sides over that issue.

 

Fred can tell you exactly what happened!

[Behindenemylines]

I was told during the off season he was your 2015 Cy Young winner. Lets stay healthy first. I don't know what we have because the guy can't stay on the field.