Sox Acquire Porcello, Miley, and Masterson

[example1]

these moves are fine. Definitely could have been worse and basically what I expected once Lester was gone. They've added a few good innings eaters who should be able to take the ball every 5th day. If I were them I would still be pretty aggressive to get a #1 but I'd be less tempted to move the biggest MLB ready pieces in this environment. For instance, a guy like Henry Owens is probably ideal to have come in as a #5 later in the season than trading him away.

[SCM33]

these moves are fine. Definitely could have been worse and basically what I expected once Lester was gone. They've added a few good innings eaters who should be able to take the ball every 5th day. If I were them I would still be pretty aggressive to get a #1 but I'd be less tempted to move the biggest MLB ready pieces in this environment. For instance, a guy like Henry Owens is probably ideal to have come in as a #5 later in the season than trading him away.

 

They may be moves that you expected, but then again....did you really expect the Sox to be so mediocre...with the resources they have? With the fan base they have? With the expectations they have?

[InfernoOrangeSS]

Where did that get them exactly?

 

First place?

The playoffs?

[lospunchados]

First place?

The playoffs?

 

Exactly. And who did they beat in the playoffs? A team that has two #1 starters and former #1 starter. The goal is to get to the playoffs and hope you get good performances from your guys for October. Having a number 1 guy doesn't do anything. How did having a number 1 pan out for the Dodgers? . KC and Baltimore both did fine with a #2 at best and #3's and 4's, with a lights out bullpen. Many different ways to win.

 

I'm not saying these are the best moves ever, but, I think they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks. Tons of people complained about the moves made in 2013 and it worked out. You never know. It gives the team flexibility for next year, when there are more top caliber pitchers available, and if needed, to make a trade mid season for a "number 1".

[cp176]

We got better but no way is that staff quality. Porcello is maybe a good 2 . the rest - a bunch of 3.4 and 5's no matter what spin you give it. It's all just a guess. I like Renaudo and Kelley every bit as much as Miley and Masterson. No big additions there. Quote all the stats you like . It aint there boys. For all who think that giving up Cespedes will help in the clubhouse, we still got Hanley. He is the same head case today that he was 10 years ago. They will be more interesting to watch but without at least one stopper, there isn't enough there. Might get us out of the cellar though.

[MANNYHOF24]

The offseason is not over.

 

If we can trade for an ace this will be a good rotation, especially if Clay Buchholz can rebound (big time if). I like Masterson to rebound if healthy. Miley and Porcello are solid and should be 13-15 win guys with sub 4 ERA's with this offense.

[cp176]

I really like the positivity but if those 2 guys both get 13 to 15 wins and have ERA's under 4, I would be stunned. If I was a betting man, sorry but I would bet against that one. As for Masterson, I hope he can relocate the 3 mph that he lost or that ball won't be sinking. I'm trying to believe in all this but I don't know.

[a700hitter]

Porcello, Masterson and Miley will be this generation's Maddox, Smoltz and Glavine. LOL! More likely they will by like the Mets Generation K.

[jd98]

I wouldn't bet on anyone in this rotation to have an ERA under 4. In fact, Porcello would be the only one I'd bet on to have an ERA under 4.50, and I wouldn't bet much on that. To be fair, I wouldn't bet on the others to be over 4.50 either, except Masterson, and maybe a small wager on Kelly.

[iortiz]

Exactly zero people have said that the Sox will be ok if they don't get a #1. The closest thing to that that has been said is that the Sox can stand pat and land a rental during the season. Take the time to actually read what others say and/or stop making stuff up. Also, people are excited about these guys because no matter what, they're better than most of the crap we put out there last season. Stop being such a whiner.

 

What? Haha... What I'm saying is that a lot of people is excited about this combo. Read!. And even some of those people think that we will be oks if we go like this, again Read!, do not twist the things as you usually do.

A lot of people is saying this in Social Media like FB, Twitter, etc.. Go out there and check it for yourself. On the other hand I will say whatever the f*** I want, I'm not insulting nobody as usually do. If you don't like it, put me on ignore, moron.

Edited December 12, 2014 by iortiz

[cp176]

Porcello, Masterson and Miley will be this generation's Maddox, Smoltz and Glavine. LOL! More likely they will by like the Mets Generation K.

How about Seaver, Koosman, and Ryan?

[cp176]

Those 3 and any other 2 would work for me.

[a700hitter]

How about Seaver, Koosman, and Ryan?

What about Gentry?

[iortiz]

Wonder why didn't we go after a guy like Santana. I like much better this guy than either of these 3. Seems like he got 50 M or something and IMO he could have turned into a solid #2.

[mvp 78]

Wonder why didn't we go after a guy like Santana. I like much better this guy than either of these 3. Seems like he got 50 M or something and IMO he could have turned into a solid #2.

 

You need 5 pitchers in a rotation, not 2.

[NativeBostonian]

Wonder why didn't we go after a guy like Santana. I like much better this guy than either of these 3. Seems like he got 50 M or something and IMO he could have turned into a solid #2.

 

Was thinking the same thing. He only went for four-year, $55 million.

[iortiz]

You need 5 pitchers in a rotation, not 2.

 

Not sure about your comment, but my point was more likely go after a #1, Santana and probably another arm of this combo; Masterson would be my only pick in this scenario.

 

Would have liked a rotation like this...

 

Lester

Santana

Buch

Masterson

Kelly

Edited December 13, 2014 by iortiz

[Behindenemylines]

The three pitchers the Sox picked up are all innings eaters. The Sox need to hope both Bucholz and Masterson are healthy and return to 2013 form. Porcello and Kelly continue to grow, and Miley's 2014 season was a bump in the road. If the magic of 2013 season returns then all of things will occur.

[Thunder]

I love all these moves, but:

 

a. Now I need a new avatar.

 

b. It still completely baffles me how different this rotation is. If you had told me after the 2013 WS that Clay would be the only one left, I would have cried. Remember that I grew up watching Lester. To think that he is gone for good hurts me the most. I like Porcello, and Masterson even more than that. I wasn't even 10 when he was traded before, so I didn't understand the business side of it. Here I sit now, 6 years later, as a 16 year old, a HS ballplayer, and see another fond face of my childhood, but unlike the others, he's with us. I've been watching D-Back's games since 2013, in large part because AJ Pollock still stays in touch with my HS coach. Therefore, I've seen Miley, and I know what he can do, but I haven't come to love him just yet. As for Porcello, he's the closest we could've realistically got to Scherzer. They really bring up their pitchers well out there in Dey-Twah.

[seabeachfred]

Not sure about your comment, but my point was more likely go after a #1, Santana and probably another arm of this combo; Masterson would be my only pick in this scenario.

 

Would have liked a rotation like this...

 

Lester

Santana

Buch

Masterson

Kelly

 

Well we didn't get Lester or Santana but I do think with some breaks along the way Kelly, Porcello, Miley and Masterson could morph into decent pitchers for us next year. Fact is, two of them must have solid seasons if we are to have any real chance in the division and that's if we also can get that No. 1 that I think we need so badly. Not to belabor the point but my choice is still Cole Hamels from the Phillies. Needless to say we will need a very solid bullpen too my friend. Keep the faith my friend. I'm convinced now that 2015 will be a helluva lot better than 2014 was. Just how much better will be decided by our getting that ace.

[vjcsmoke]

Santanna only cost 55m? Wonder why we didn't go after him. We paid 100m for Lackey and he sucked for his first couple of years with us. Redeemed himself at the end, but wow that could have been an albatross contract if he had continued to suck. Anyways, let me fantasize about Scherzer at the top of our rotation. Most likely we end up with Shields or Hamels though... if we are aggressive.

[wyo-sox]

I just really wonder what the real goal of the front offics is. If they want to be better than last year, depend heavily on luck to get into the post season...... then I doubt they add another arm. If they really want to make a serious title run they will find a way to add an ace.

 

Or, I wonder if they let the current roster play into the season to find out if there is any lightening in a bottle, and decide around trade deadline if an ace trade should be done then.

[User Name]

They did not go after Santana because he's extremely homer prone and inconsistent. Neiither good traits for Fenway,

[Spudboy]

Of course it is only December 13. As constituted the Sox are an also ran team.

 

Only pink hats would believe that this team ( current roster ) can be in the hunt for a division title.

[seabeachfred]

Of course it is only December 13. As constituted the Sox are an also ran team.

 

Only pink hats would believe that this team ( current roster ) can be in the hunt for a division title.

 

We are currently a middle of the pack AL East team right now unless our hitters really hit and half the lineup doesn't pull a Bogaerts, that the relief pitching is lights out, and our rotation over-achieves on the hill. Don't let anyone tell you differently Spud, without a qualified No. 1 ace and a solid No. 2 man we will have a devil of a time winning the division unless those things I outlined come to pass or the rest of the division also screws it up and we happen to sneak in there and take the cake. Then we would have trouble in the post-season because that is where you really need an ace......THINK BUMGARNER or Lester last year. You listening Lucchino?

[lospunchados]

Wonder why didn't we go after a guy like Santana. I like much better this guy than either of these 3. Seems like he got 50 M or something and IMO he could have turned into a solid #2.

 

Though not saying any of these pitchers are great, but they are all ok. Santana on fangraphs , is actually projected to have a worse era next season than all three of the pitchers we acquired. His problem is he really inconsistent.Since 2009 he had two years over a 5.00 era, two at around 4, and two very good years at around 3.30. He is like a better version of Masterson but with a longer commitment. Masterson in the same time frame has had two years at 3.30. Masterson each year has had FIP and XFIP era's lower than his actual era and Santana has been the opposite. With health and better defense Masterson should put up Santana numbers next year.

[wyo-sox]

I certainly would like to still see upgrades in our rotation....... but let me ask you this, as it is right now- how woukd you compare our starting rotation to the other AL East teams? Who in the AL East has a far better rotation top to bottom?

[BSN07]

I certainly would like to still see upgrades in our rotation....... but let me ask you this, as it is right now- how woukd you compare our starting rotation to the other AL East teams? Who in the AL East has a far better rotation top to bottom?

 

No one. That's what people aren't paying attention to. The division is not full of world beaters. They Yankees new hat logo should be ?, because they have one just about everywhere. Baltimore lost Miller, Cruz and Markakis, Davis is a ? and their rotation is good but not great. Toronto is trying to piece together something but I'm not scared of them and TB is rebuilding.

[mvp 78]

Of course it is only December 13. As constituted the Sox are an also ran team.

 

Only pink hats would believe that this team ( current roster ) can be in the hunt for a division title.

I think they can be in the hunt with this mediocre rotation and good hitting. I think the AL East is kinda week. Rays are down. Yanks are old with injury prone pitchers. Jays haven't been good since the Joe Carter administration. The O's have been decent, but I'm not sure if that roster is good for the long haul.

[BSN07]

Everyone has been so focused on the Sox needs I think we've over looked how weakish the East has become. There is no really scary team.