4/24 vs Yankees

[d-money]

I rather see andrew miller get the start instead of that *******.His body language stinks! I hope workman gets the start.I hope farrell is quicker with the hook here then with pulling out starting pitchers when they suck

[d-money]

Well the pressure is on peavy tomorrow to go deep into the game.This bullpen will be a mess if the starters cant do their job.

[Station 13]

Team meeting tomorrow.

[Station 13]

Brian MacPherson ‏@brianmacp 24m

Brock Holt has been optioned back to Pawtucket to make room for Will Middlebrooks.

[User Name]

In the old days, starters who were off form were shipped to the bullpen, to straighten out their act. Somebody out of the bullpen or from the minors would replace them in the rotation. Nowadays, the conventional wisdom is to "stretch out" guys in the minors to prepare them to start. And there is a sharp distinction between starting and relieving.

 

Baseball needs to take a good look at how pitching is handled these days--in my view. How it has evolved. A lot of things are done without much foundation.For example, you have the Sox starving for a reliever the last couple games, and one of their best ones, Workman, is sitting in Pawtucket being "stretched out" to start. Why a reliever shortage? Because relievers are often used in games to keep pitch counts down for starters--instead of using them when starters are actually in trouble, as they were used in the past. Overused. They can't do both.

 

With all the arm injuries occurring lately, the media should take a look at the new pitching orthodoxy, e.g., pitch counts, bullpen use,etc., and see what effect any of this has on durability and conditioning. There just didn't seem to be that many arm injuries in the old days. Raschi, Reynolds and Lopat pitched a lot of years in the Yankee starting rotation. So did Lemon, Garcia, Wynn and Feller for Cleveland.

 

There's so much nonsense here i don't even know where to start.

 

In two simple points:

 

1) As you just said yourself in the above post, relieving and starting are completely different beasts. They see Workman as a starter, so they are keeping him stretched out in the minors. To keep him in the big club relieving when the team has good relief pitching but the SP has been terrible would be retarded. Please stop.

 

2) The idea that there weren't as many arm injuries in the old days is based on the type of lack of research you blame others of partaking in. You are f***ing ridiculous.

 

Someone needs to take this guy out to pasture already.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I feel like throwing up, f*** Ellsbury.

[Jasonbay44]

Sox had more errors (5) than hit (4) tonight.. smfh

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I love how now that the team is having another rough patch guys like Elktonnick and TedWilliams are crawling out of the woodwork again.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Doubront does need to go away though.

[Bellhorn04]

Yankees unveil new promotional slogan for 2014:

 

'Let's buy one every five years!'

 

Yes, I'm feeling a little bitter this morning.

[Bellhorn04]

Doubs was very disappointing tonight. As usual, the 7 run rule was in effect for the brain dead managerial class.

 

I have to admit, it's f***ing uncanny how often we see the 7-run rule now. I guess you're right, it's been inscribed into the managerial handbook.

[Station 13]

Doubront does need to go away though.

 

The sooner the better. Take Buccholz too. Two starters who are as disappointing as you can imagine.

[mvp 78]

The sooner the better. Take Buccholz too. Two starters who are as disappointing as you can imagine.

 

And replace them with Workman and who? Capuano? Webster? Doubront has struggled, but is still better than most of their other options. If you think you could get a bag of balls for either guy right now, you're kidding yourself.

[mvp 78]

I love how now that the team is having another rough patch guys like Elktonnick and TedWilliams are crawling out of the woodwork again.

 

It happens. When things are going well, this place is a ghost town.

[SoxSport]

It's still early. Cream rises to the top eventually. The Cardinals are having troubles right now, too.

Farrell is having bullpen shortage problems already. The root of it is a bullpen can't handle both fighting fires and controlling pitch counts for starters. One of these days managers will realize that and change things back to where they were in the past. Use relievers only when a starter gets into trouble. Don't waste them. And don't use a different guy every inning.

[d-money]

f*** douchebront! He is not a better option then anything right now.Give workman a start.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Couple things on last night.

 

Doubront, man, what can you say. Makes you sick to your stomach to watch him pitch. Clearly he's not right, and he needs a stint on the DL to figure out whats going on. Not sure where he's injured, but he has now completed two outings of 2.2 innings this year.

 

Workman is still building up arm strength in the minors, but there is a starter down there who looks outrageous.

 

Rubby De La Rosa: 22.2 IP, 21 K, 4 BB, 1.19 ERA.

 

It's well discussed that the 2nd year back from TJS typically is when you find your control. Combine that with him coming back in better shape, and I think he's leapfrogged everyone in terms of coming up for a start.

 

Whether its RDLR or Workman, it doesn't much matter to me. I'm tired of destroying our bullpen because Doubront can't get through 3 innings. And it's happened in 2 of his 5 starts thus far. Right when Lackey throws the crap out of the baseball and goes 8 IP and saves the pen, Doubront goes out and absolutely murders the bullpen.

 

It wasn't just that he pitched bad these two times. It's that he just gives up. Loses concentration. Stops paying attention to runners. Stops caring about easy ground balls. Just stops caring.

 

I can put up with a few bad outings. They happen. If you're going to stop concentrating (which he admitted to post-game), and you visibly stop caring (Roberts stole 2nd before Doubront even picked up his leg), then you're dead to me. Go down to Pawtucket...no, you know what? Go down to Portland and figure your crap out because what you did last night is absolutely, 100% unacceptable.

 

Get lost, Doubront.

[Spudboy]

It's pretty well known ( I think ) that Doubront is a dope. And I strongly suspect the same about Buchholtz as well.

 

Both of them are known to have tremendous talent, yet we rarely know what we will see from either of them. Both had significant stretches of dominance last year.

 

What has happened to BOTH?

 

Also, I really don't understand why after about 3-4 months off, Bucholtz has arm strength issues? I'm told that this is a possible reason that his velocity is down.

[a700hitter]

I love how now that the team is having another rough patch guys like Elktonnick and TedWilliams are crawling out of the woodwork again.

But Fred is gone.

[a700hitter]

It's pretty well known ( I think ) that Doubront is a dope. And I strongly suspect the same about Buchholtz as well.

 

Both of them are known to have tremendous talent, yet we rarely know what we will see from either of them. Both had significant stretches of dominance last year.

 

What has happened to BOTH?

 

Also, I really don't understand why after about 3-4 months off, Bucholtz has arm strength issues? I'm told that this is a possible reason that his velocity is down.

Farrell stated that Buch is still building arm strength. Spring training is 6 weeks long. You would think that would be ample time to build arm strength.

[Elktonnick]

One of the reasons I don't post here that often is because many (not all) are mostly interested in making personal attacks on other posters rather than offering their honest analysis of the game or the team.

 

All honest observers admit that this team is playing very poorly. The outfield is awful. Their defense on the left side of the infield is mediocre at best. Two of their starters appear to have ADD. One who is a neurotic mess wasn't ready to start the season. The only consistency is out in the bull pen but if the starters don't perform better they will be fried by the ASB. This may well be a rough patch or it could be reflective of something far worse. Time will tell but there is no sense complaining about fans who are blunt in their criticisms of this team.

[Youk Of The Nation]

But Fred is gone.

 

So there is a silver lining, after all!

[Youk Of The Nation]

One of the reasons I don't post here that often is because many (not all) are mostly interested in making personal attacks on other posters rather than offering their honest analysis of the game or the team.

 

All honest observers admit that this team is playing very poorly. The outfield is awful. Their defense on the left side of the infield is mediocre at best. Two of their starters appear to have ADD. One who is a neurotic mess wasn't ready to start the season. The only consistency is out in the bull pen but if the starters don't perform better they will be fried by the ASB. This may well be a rough patch or it could be reflective of something far worse. Time will tell but there is no sense complaining about fans who are blunt in their criticisms of this team.

 

There is a difference between criticism and bitching. a700 criticizes the team constructively. So does Bellhorn, or both of the ortizes (i and rj). Fred and d-money and a couple others just complain. I can't count how many times I've read the words "Red Sux" and the like. I don't care if someone posts a point-by-point essay of a post about what they think needs to be done to fix the problems the team has. They might be as wrong as User Name? is when he thinks a woman is interested in him, but at least they are trying. But just calling guys by infantile nicknames and foaming at the mouth about how the Red Sox are terrible contributes nothing to the board, annoys me, annoys most of the other members of this site, and could quite possibly be responsible for climate change.

[Elktonnick]

I don't like name calling. Ad hominem attacks are counter productive but there are those (more here than elsewhere) who tend to attack the poster rather than the post.

[a700hitter]

All honest observers admit that this team is playing very poorly. The outfield is awful. Their defense on the left side of the infield is mediocre at best. Two of their starters appear to have ADD. One who is a neurotic mess wasn't ready to start the season. The only consistency is out in the bull pen but if the starters don't perform better they will be fried by the ASB. This may well be a rough patch or it could be reflective of something far worse. Time will tell but there is no sense complaining about fans who are blunt in their criticisms of this team.

These concerns based on your observations are reasonable and valid. I think a lot of us share these concerns.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

One of the reasons I don't post here that often is because many (not all) are mostly interested in making personal attacks on other posters rather than offering their honest analysis of the game or the team.

No, THE reason you went a full year without posting here (from 4/3/2013 to 4/17/2014) was because there was nothing to bitch about. You're not a fan. You're one of those people that desperately needs something to bitch about, and the Red Sox, with Benny Boy and all those other young, non-traditional guys running baseball ops, are your target of choice. When things were going well and they won the f***ing World Series last year, there was nothing for you to complain about and get indignant over, so you were nowhere to be found. But now that they're struggling in 2014, here you are again, resuming your act as a concern troll. Right now it's "player X has ADD, player Y just isn't tough enough, and player Z is a nancy." If the struggles continue, you'll keep it going and ease your way into calling out the front office for not doing the kinds of short-sighted things that you want them to do. If they turn it around and have one of the top records in the league at the all-star break, you'll just vanish. A700 can lean toward the negative side, but he is a fan without question. Fred, for all his pessimism and frequent insanity, is a fan. Brennan is a fan. You are a troll. A concern troll to be specific.

 

I wonder if it's a coincidence that Elktonnick and Joeycaps both sound like aliases that some cornball with a cartoonish New England accent would use to call into some WEEI show in the late morning and bitch about how awful it is that the players just don't care, guys like Benny just don't get it, and how the Red Sox aren't doing the city of Boston proud with this brand of baseball and whatever else.

Edited April 25, 2014 by Jacoby_Ellsbury

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

GOTY post. No but seriously, that post is spot on.

[User Name]

There is a difference between criticism and bitching. a700 criticizes the team constructively. So does Bellhorn, or both of the ortizes (i and rj). Fred and d-money and a couple others just complain. I can't count how many times I've read the words "Red Sux" and the like. I don't care if someone posts a point-by-point essay of a post about what they think needs to be done to fix the problems the team has. They might be as wrong as User Name? is when he thinks a woman is interested in him, but at least they are trying. But just calling guys by infantile nicknames and foaming at the mouth about how the Red Sox are terrible contributes nothing to the board, annoys me, annoys most of the other members of this site, and could quite possibly be responsible for climate change.

 

Hey, i only think women like me when i know they think i got money. I may be dopey, but i'm not stupid.

[Elktonnick]

No, THE reason you went a full year without posting here (from 4/3/2013 to 4/17/2014) was because there was nothing to bitch about. You're not a fan. You're one of those people that desperately needs something to bitch about, and the Red Sox, with Benny Boy and all those other young, non-traditional guys running baseball ops, are your target of choice. When things were going well and they won the f***ing World Series last year, there was nothing for you to complain about and get indignant over, so you were nowhere to be found. But now that they're struggling in 2014, here you are again, resuming your act as a concern troll. Right now it's "player X has ADD, player Y just isn't tough enough, and player Z is a nancy." If the struggles continue, you'll keep it going and ease your way into calling out the front office for not doing the kinds of short-sighted things that you want them to do. If they turn it around and have one of the top records in the league at the all-star break, you'll just vanish. A700 can lean toward the negative side, but he is a fan without question. Fred, for all his pessimism and frequent insanity, is a fan. Brennan is a fan. You are a troll. A concern troll to be specific.

 

I wonder if it's a coincidence that Elktonnick and Joeycaps both sound like aliases that some cornball with a cartoonish New England accent would use to call into some WEEI show in the late morning and bitch about how awful it is that the players just don't care, guys like Benny just don't get it, and how the Red Sox aren't doing the city of Boston proud with this brand of baseball and whatever else.

 

Son I have been a Red Sox fan for more than sixty years. I have lived all over this planet and have proudly taken my Boston accent around the world. (Which is a real bear when speaking Spanish) I regularly post on another board where the posters talk baseball and are civil to one another. You are the intolerant one who seeks to drive dissenters from your midst. I didn't post here last year because of posters like you. If you don't like what I write just put me on ignore. That is what it was there for. I attacked no one it was I who was attacked. BTW just to show you much of a fan I am. My wife and I have watched virtually every inning of every Red Sox game since we returned from overseas and since they instituted the Baseball package on cable since we don't live in Boston.

Edited April 25, 2014 by Elktonnick

[User Name]

GOTY post. No but seriously, that post is spot on.

 

Goat of the year?