Predictions for Robinson Cano ... Team & Terms of Contract.

[marklmw]

Not sure if I am breaking any rules here bringing up the evil empire in a Sox Forum. But they are and always will be our arch enemy so I thought it was something we all can have some fun with. First off ... Is Cano delusional? Because it seems like he is delusional and that alone should hurt his value.

Cano turned 31 in October and wants a 10 Year $310 Millllion contract. One would have to believe that he has 3-4 more years like his 2013 season in him.

 

Over the last 4 season Cano has averaged a WAR of 7. I have read that each WAR of 1 = 5M. To Justify a 10 year $300+ contract he would need to average a WAR of 6. Ten years is a long time but in reality a WAR value of 1 should be worth more in 8-10 years then it is today. Am I right about this? One thing that Cano has going for him is his position and team. The Red Sox had no problem extending Pedey to age 38. Cano provides more power than Pedey and Yankee Stadium is made for him so he can easily transition to DH in ages 37+. The Yankees are on record today ... Randy Levine said that no way are the Yankees doing a 10 year deal.

 

My prediction is that Cano will sign an 8 year deal with the Yankees at average annual value of 31M per for a total of $248M. In the end the Yankees will try not to bid against themselves but at the same time they need Cano to sell tickets and make the team competitive. It also hurts that the Sox won the World Championship in 2013. The Yankees are in bad shape to be forced into another ARod type of contract but I do not see anyway out for them.

[Behindenemylines]

$310 million is a joke! Cano will stay with the $pankees because no one else is going to pay him anything close to what he is asking for. I hope they do give him a ten year contract which turn into another Arod contract.

[User Name]

8/220.

[mvp 78]

Wrong part of the forum for this. 7/175 - NYY

[Orange Juiced]

8/200 to the Yankees.

[redsoxrules]

If the Yankees are smart they can get him for 180M. There's no market for Cano. No team that needs a second has the money to pay for him. Unless the Dodgers swoop in and snag him but I just can't see it.

[win red sox]

I'll go with Houston as a darkhorse. They can definitely afford an 8/200 contract, they have tons of pitching (Appel,Mccullers,Foltynewicz, and will be drafting rodon #1 this year) that will be ready 2015.

[Spitball]

I think the Yankees are in a lose-lose situation with Cano. Unless they can trade for a Brandon Phillips or Ian Kinsler, they will be obligated to meet or come close to Cano's demands. I hope they have to sign the guy to a ten-year contract and are stuck with another bad contract.

 

I can never understand how anyone outside of New York can possibly be a fan of the Yankees. I feel pretty much the same way about the Cardinals.

[Bellhorn04]

Yankees 8/210

[sk7326]

I think the Yankees are in a lose-lose situation with Cano. Unless they can trade for a Brandon Phillips or Ian Kinsler, they will be obligated to meet or come close to Cano's demands. I hope they have to sign the guy to a ten-year contract and are stuck with another bad contract.

 

I can never understand how anyone outside of New York can possibly be a fan of the Yankees. I feel pretty much the same way about the Cardinals.

 

Brandon Phillips is not a good player anymore while Kinsler is good and theoretically available. Cano goes back to the Yanks - he is their best option still.

 

Cardinals - lot of old history, especially before baseball went westward.

[Palodios]

I don't see him going for any less than 220.

 

He's too good of a player, and he is about as healthy as they come. He has averaged above 160 games a year. In the last four years, he has been #3, #6, #4 and #5 for the MVP. Several All-star nominations, several gold gloves-- at a premium position. Plenty of playoff experience. Being a Yankee makes him much more famous and marketable than smaller market players. His L/R splits aren't any concern.

 

I am usually pretty adamant about avoiding long term deals, but he's the kind of guy you want to dish one out for. After year 5, the contract will hurt like a bitch, but it is what it is.

[sk7326]

8/200 or so sounds right. He has another 2-3 seasons of legitimate MVP level in him, and perhaps a bit more than that given the positional value of 2B. He is a terrific athlete and has good hitting skills - his back end will be overpaid, but more than likely overpaying fringy All-Star level production than overpaying a replacement level stiff. Obviously the risk in a long deal is his ability to avoid injury and such - but the percentages are with him given past and such.

[seabeachfred]

8/200 or so sounds right. He has another 2-3 seasons of legitimate MVP level in him, and perhaps a bit more than that given the positional value of 2B. He is a terrific athlete and has good hitting skills - his back end will be overpaid, but more than likely overpaying fringy All-Star level production than overpaying a replacement level stiff. Obviously the risk in a long deal is his ability to avoid injury and such - but the percentages are with him given past and such.

 

I read a blog today where Cano's agent had a big pow-wow with the Mets----who most certainly need at least another big bat in their lineup and now have the money to spend. If the Mets had guts enough they could run up the score to at least drive the Yankees price higher or outbid them and get Cano for themselves. It would really set that New York rivalry on its head. Alas, it's the Mets and when it comes to in fighting they have all the guts of a chocolate éclair.

[SoxSport]

Yanks will re-sign him for whatever it takes. Boras will make sure they pay thru the nose.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Not sure if I am breaking any rules here bringing up the evil empire in a Sox Forum. But they are and always will be our arch enemy so I thought it was something we all can have some fun with. First off ... Is Cano delusional? Because it seems like he is delusional and that alone should hurt his value.

Cano turned 31 in October and wants a 10 Year $310 Millllion contract. One would have to believe that he has 3-4 more years like his 2013 season in him.

 

Over the last 4 season Cano has averaged a WAR of 7. I have read that each WAR of 1 = 5M. To Justify a 10 year $300+ contract he would need to average a WAR of 6. Ten years is a long time but in reality a WAR value of 1 should be worth more in 8-10 years then it is today. Am I right about this? One thing that Cano has going for him is his position and team. The Red Sox had no problem extending Pedey to age 38. Cano provides more power than Pedey and Yankee Stadium is made for him so he can easily transition to DH in ages 37+. The Yankees are on record today ... Randy Levine said that no way are the Yankees doing a 10 year deal.

 

My prediction is that Cano will sign an 8 year deal with the Yankees at average annual value of 31M per for a total of $248M. In the end the Yankees will try not to bid against themselves but at the same time they need Cano to sell tickets and make the team competitive. It also hurts that the Sox won the World Championship in 2013. The Yankees are in bad shape to be forced into another ARod type of contract but I do not see anyway out for them.

 

You know, this is a good point. Maybe we should look into creating some sort of sub-forum in which to discuss the Yankees...

[redsoxrules]

Yanks will re-sign him for whatever it takes. Boras will make sure they pay thru the nose.

 

Boras does not represent Cano

[SoxSport]

I heard Cano had dinner with the Mets reps, and his agent had to pay the bill because the restaurant wouldn't take the Mets credit card. LOL.

[SoxSport]

Boras does not represent Cano

 

Ha. That's Cano's first mistake. Only Boras can get the kind of money he wants. His agents are novices.

[XanderAlmanzar]

Jay-Z(the Rapper) is his agent. I say 8yrs, $210m

[redsoxrules]

Ha. That's Cano's first mistake. Only Boras can get the kind of money he wants. His agents are novices.

 

Please, Boras has failed many times to get what he wants.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't see him going for any less than 220.

 

He's too good of a player, and he is about as healthy as they come. He has averaged above 160 games a year. In the last four years, he has been #3, #6, #4 and #5 for the MVP. Several All-star nominations, several gold gloves-- at a premium position. Plenty of playoff experience. Being a Yankee makes him much more famous and marketable than smaller market players. His L/R splits aren't any concern.

 

I am usually pretty adamant about avoiding long term deals, but he's the kind of guy you want to dish one out for. After year 5, the contract will hurt like a bitch, but it is what it is.

 

Even though I agree with most of this, I wonder if the time will come when baseball owners say 'no more 200 million contracts'. There are only 4 of them to date, and they aren't pretty:

 

A-Rod - certain disaster

Pujols - almost certain disaster

Fielder - almost certain disaster

Votto - potential disaster

[Cocos Disciples]

Yankees, 1/40. Jay Z is an innovator, after all.

 

Just kidding, but that would be cool.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

New Jersey Devils, 4/400.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks will re-sign him for whatever it takes. Boras will make sure they pay thru the nose.

 

You do know Boras isn't his agent anymore, right?

 

IIRC, the Yankees offered 7yrs and $175 mil or so. $25 mil a year is probably appropriate for him. I highly, highly doubt any team is going to beat that. If they do, they can have him. I think we have learned since signing Giambi and going for the big time, expensive, big name players that you don't win titles that way. We had a core team from 95-01 that didn't have one gigantic mercenary name on it sans Clemens. We go out and get Mussina and Giambi, and all of a sudden, we cannot win the big games. We only made it worse when we added ARod and Sheff, etc. We have won 1 title since 2000 and have bought umpteen big time players in the process, many of whom had HOF credentials. What Cashman has been trying to do is set a value for certain players and find the few that he thinks he needs to have regardless of cost. And he needs Hal to stay the f*** out of it. If he gets that, then I think we get Cano at a reasonable rate. If Hal steps in, we get another mega contract that we regret in 3 years time

[BSN07]

I was saying Dodgers but they would almost be a surprise now.

 

My reality pick is the Yanks for 7/175M 5M signing bonus, 18M club options for years 8-10( 8m buy outs each year), then the normal bonus's.

 

My dark horse pick is the Nats 8/225M, 2 25M option years.

[Behindenemylines]

You do know Boras isn't his agent anymore, right?

 

IIRC, the Yankees offered 7yrs and $175 mil or so. $25 mil a year is probably appropriate for him. I highly, highly doubt any team is going to beat that. If they do, they can have him. I think we have learned since signing Giambi and going for the big time, expensive, big name players that you don't win titles that way. We had a core team from 95-01 that didn't have one gigantic mercenary name on it sans Clemens. We go out and get Mussina and Giambi, and all of a sudden, we cannot win the big games. We only made it worse when we added ARod and Sheff, etc. We have won 1 title since 2000 and have bought umpteen big time players in the process, many of whom had HOF credentials. What Cashman has been trying to do is set a value for certain players and find the few that he thinks he needs to have regardless of cost. And he needs Hal to stay the f*** out of it. If he gets that, then I think we get Cano at a reasonable rate. If Hal steps in, we get another mega contract that we regret in 3 years time

 

I can't remember when the $pankees best player took his bat and gloves and went to play with someone else. It hasn't happened in my life time. A lineup without Cano looks a lot more pitchable though.