Should we resign Jacoby Ellsbury?

[User Name]

I'm not going to get into a heated argument with you on this night of pure joy.

 

What i will say is that you're wrong and your argument is stupid for reasons explained above.

 

Have a nice and enjoy the WS victory!

[Dojji]

you too man.

 

I'm utterly bummed because work went all the way to midnight and I didn't even get to watch the last out live. I'm really disappointed.

[Behindenemylines]

Love to have Ellsbury back in 2014, but I think the $$$$ will be too high.

[yankthis]

All this talk of money.... he's worth just as much to the Red Sox as he is to anybody else. It's not like a major league team in a big market needs to scrounge to make ends meet. He'll be here on opening day.

[User Name]

Yeah but there are limits on spending. Again, wasting money stupidly is the reason 2012 happened. In this case, it's not specifically the money (they have flexibility), it's the length of contract then the moey. Teams that buy out past-prime years for players with fragile skillsets are the ones who end up in a position like the 2013 Yankees. And no one wants to be the 2013 Yankees.

[yankthis]

Ellsbury is past his prime. Ok.

[User Name]

How exactly did you infer that from my post?

[Thunder]

I really can't see this team without Ells. Along with Lester, Pedey, and Papi, they've been on the team as long as I can remember being a fan. I wouldn't want to see any one of them leave.

[mvp 78]

I really can't see this team without Ells. Along with Lester, Pedey, and Papi, they've been on the team as long as I can remember being a fan. I wouldn't want to see any one of them leave.

 

Were you sad when Beckett left last year?

 

I'm glad that Ben doesn't run this like a fan would.

[User Name]

Were you sad when Beckett left last year?

 

I'm glad that Ben doesn't run this like a fan would.

 

Ells is definitely worth it, and so is Nap. One reason I say that is because they are the only two player shirts I have right now.

Anyway, I do think Drew gets the boot eventually. Not necessarily next season, but maybe 2015. Xander needs to prove himself over the course of a long season before I'd be willing to make him the next SS or 3B. As for OF, I hope they all return. I really do. I love Gomes, can't imagine the team without Nava or Ells, and Vic is just too valuable and dangerous. Same with Nap. Yes he K's a lot, but it's worth having him around.

 

For illustrative purposes.

[mvp 78]

For illustrative purposes.

 

s***, well they better bring back Paps, Trot and Youk!!! My shirts need to be worn!!!

[marklmw]

This morning I watched the last two innings of WS Game 6 for the 3rd time along with the after game interviews.

I agree that spending a boat load on money on long term contracts on Crawford and Gonzalez was a mistake ... Crawford because he was not a need and Gonzalez because he turned out to be bad club-house guy. We were lucky to be able to pass these mistakes on to the Dodgers and the rest is history. However, does this mean that we cannot give a 5-6 year contract to a player who is a need. Yes ... of course I am talking about Ellsbury. At the end of the day professional sports is all about winning championships ... anything less is ... well ... less. Ellsbury was a big part of the 2007 post season and again in 2013. How many players in today's day and age have two championships to his name? I want Ellsbury back and I think that ownership should take a flyer on him. Tell him that he is loved and appreciated, that you want to repeat next season, and that you want him to finish his career in Boston. Offer him 120m / 6. JBJ can begin in the Pawtucket again next season and the Sox will have him to fill in when needed. Hopefully JBJ will be major league ready in 2015 and take the place of Gomes.

[mvp 78]

Ells is a good player, he's not a $20M guy to me and especially not for 6 years. Anything more than 4/80 is too high imo.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm as sentimental as they come about bringing back the guys that helped you win a World Series.

 

But with Ellsbury, the situation just screams that you have to let him go.

[vjcsmoke]

Take a 'flyer' on him? I think your idea of a 'flyer' is misplaced. We're talking about 7 years 140m here or 8/160. That's not a flyer that's a huge financial investment and risk. If we were talking 5/75, I'm all on board for resigning Ellsbury. But his agent Scott Boras, is one of the greediest in sports. I don't expect any hometown discount. And locking up a guy for 8 years at 20m plus per year when he is known to be injury prone is a BAD idea.

 

Another way to think about this, how many impact at bats did Ellsbury have this World Series? How many impact steals? I can't really remember any memorable moments for him in the WS. Will it hurt to move on from Ellsbury? Of course. And I appreciate what he has given Boston. But you can't hold on to everyone. And some risks are not worth taking. We're talking about taking a 30 year old Ellsbury and signing him into his year 38 season at over 100 milion dollars plus investment.

 

Ellsbury was a big part of the 2007 post season and again in 2013. How many players in today's day and age have two championships to his name? I want Ellsbury back and I think that ownership should take a flyer on him. Tell him that he is loved and appreciated, that you want to repeat next season, and that you want him to finish his career in Boston. Offer him 120m / 6. JBJ can begin in the Pawtucket again next season and the Sox will have him to fill in when needed. Hopefully JBJ will be major league ready in 2015 and take the place of Gomes.

[Wasatch]

I would like to see him back, but I'm sure he is asking way to much.

[Bellhorn04]

Boras already said he's received calls from 11 teams or something like that. It's going to get silly and Jacoby is going to be a very rich man.

[SoxSport]

LOL. I don't remember how I voted. I would say yes, but Ells has to come at a local discount. Boras will pass him off as Jesus Christ, and there may be a lot of overbidding.

 

They have an alternative in Bradley. That will be a factor. Victorino is at an age where he misses games.

[marklmw]

Take a 'flyer' on him? I think your idea of a 'flyer' is misplaced. We're talking about 7 years 140m here or 8/160. That's not a flyer that's a huge financial investment and risk. If we were talking 5/75, I'm all on board for resigning Ellsbury. But his agent Scott Boras, is one of the greediest in sports. I don't expect any hometown discount. And locking up a guy for 8 years at 20m plus per year when he is known to be injury prone is a BAD idea.

 

Another way to think about this, how many impact at bats did Ellsbury have this World Series? How many impact steals? I can't really remember any memorable moments for him in the WS. Will it hurt to move on from Ellsbury? Of course. And I appreciate what he has given Boston. But you can't hold on to everyone. And some risks are not worth taking. We're talking about taking a 30 year old Ellsbury and signing him into his year 38 season at over 100 milion dollars plus investment.

 

Time out one moment big guy. Were did I say 7 or 8 years for contract terms. I did not. I am saying 5 - 6 years. 3 years playing center and 2-3 years playing left. He is going to hit 20 HR's next year.

[vjcsmoke]

Time out one moment big guy. Were did I say 7 or 8 years for contract terms. I did not. I am saying 5 - 6 years. 3 years playing center and 2-3 years playing left. He is going to hit 20 HR's next year.

 

Tell that to his agent. I don't believe there's any way Boras will agree to only 5 years. He is gonna milk Ellsbury's last big contract for all its worth. And I see no indications Ellsbury will ever hit 20 homeruns. Outside of the one freak year, he has never hit double digit homers. That's just not his strength.

 

“Two things separate Ellsbury [from Crawford]. Carl Crawford was never proven as a leadoff hitter, and Carl Crawford is not a center fielder,'' Boras said. “They are two different animals. It's not a consideration because he's a corner outfielder. Just think if Carl Crawford could play center field.”

 

Boras went on to mention a few other differences between Ellsbury and Crawford.

 

“Carl Crawford never had success in Boston. And he never won a ring in Boston,'' Boras said. Plus, "Crawford never hit twenty home runs, and Jacoby hit 30," Boras added.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/23495290/boras-compares-ellsbury-to-carl-crawford-and-an-aircraft-carrier

 

Boras is obviously trying to upsell Ellsbury from Crawford. Considering Crawford got 7/142 what will he be asking for Ellsbury?? Short answer: Even More.

Edited November 1, 2013 by vjcsmoke

[marklmw]

Boras already said he's received calls from 11 teams or something like that. It's going to get silly and Jacoby is going to be a very rich man.

If this is true ... (take everything Boras says with a grain of salt). What is the reason that 11 teams are contacting him about Ellsbury ... all of these teams know what it will take to sign him. People say that Ellsbury will not give any concessions to Boston I say ********. I think Ellsbury stays with Boston for 20M per. I think he will stay in Boston for 6 years vs. signing with another club for 7. I think Ellsbury had a lot of fun playing for Boston this season. If he is enjoying his place of work it often means the whole family is happy too. I do not know about his personal life but I am assuming that he is married. Most couples sit down when making big decisions and when you are happy change becomes more uncertain. Ellsbury is coming back 120M / 6. Hanrahan and Bailey cost the Sox 11M+ this season for nothing ... the Sox would have had more wins if the 2 never played a game.

[Bellhorn04]

Strange as it may seem, there are a lot of teams that have much more payroll room than the Sox right now. Teams that need a splash signing to get people in the ballpark.

[mvp 78]

Boras already said he's received calls from 11 teams or something like that. It's going to get silly and Jacoby is going to be a very rich man.

 

He revised it by saying it was 11 teams for Ells and Drew. That also includes 1 call for both Drew and Ells by the Mystery Team.

[mvp 78]

Strange as it may seem, there are a lot of teams that have much more payroll room than the Sox right now. Teams that need a splash signing to get people in the ballpark.

 

And new tv contract $$$. Texas may unload a lot of cash this offseason.

[mvp 78]

If this is true ... (take everything Boras says with a grain of salt). What is the reason that 11 teams are contacting him about Ellsbury ... all of these teams know what it will take to sign him. People say that Ellsbury will not give any concessions to Boston I say ********. I think Ellsbury stays with Boston for 20M per. I think he will stay in Boston for 6 years vs. signing with another club for 7. I think Ellsbury had a lot of fun playing for Boston this season. If he is enjoying his place of work it often means the whole family is happy too. I do not know about his personal life but I am assuming that he is married. Most couples sit down when making big decisions and when you are happy change becomes more uncertain. Ellsbury is coming back 120M / 6. Hanrahan and Bailey cost the Sox 11M+ this season for nothing ... the Sox would have had more wins if the 2 never played a game.

 

He married a girl he knew from Oregon. They live in Arizona. Not sure if they see Boston as a long term home. I doubt he gives the Sox a deal on negotiations.

[marklmw]

Tell that to his agent. I don't believe there's any way Boras will agree to only 5 years. He is gonna milk Ellsbury's last big contract for all its worth. And I see no indications Ellsbury will ever hit 20 homeruns. Outside of the one freak year, he has never hit double digit homers. That's just not his strength.

 

“Two things separate Ellsbury [from Crawford]. Carl Crawford was never proven as a leadoff hitter, and Carl Crawford is not a center fielder,'' Boras said. “They are two different animals. It's not a consideration because he's a corner outfielder. Just think if Carl Crawford could play center field.”

 

Boras went on to mention a few other differences between Ellsbury and Crawford.

 

“Carl Crawford never had success in Boston. And he never won a ring in Boston,'' Boras said. Plus, "Crawford never hit twenty home runs, and Jacoby hit 30," Boras added.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/23495290/boras-compares-ellsbury-to-carl-crawford-and-an-aircraft-carrier

 

Boras is obviously trying to upsell Ellsbury from Crawford. Considering Crawford got 7/142 what will he be asking for Ellsbury?? Short answer: Even More.

 

At the end of the day Boras is posturing on behalf of his client. I said 5-6. Let's use 6. Of course Boras would like 7-8 but that is not going to happen, not from any club. Boras brings up Crawford because he helps his case. Every GM in MLB knows that Crawford was over-paid. Jacoby had shoulder surgery 2 years ago ... A friend of mine is an Orthopedic Surgeon and he says that it takes at least 2 years to fully recover. He is going to hit 20 HR's

[marklmw]

He married a girl he knew from Oregon. They live in Arizona. Not sure if they see Boston as a long term home. I doubt he gives the Sox a deal on negotiations.

That is a horse of another color. Are you saying that they are not living together in Boston during the season?

[sk7326]

If this is true ... (take everything Boras says with a grain of salt). What is the reason that 11 teams are contacting him about Ellsbury ... all of these teams know what it will take to sign him. People say that Ellsbury will not give any concessions to Boston I say ********. I think Ellsbury stays with Boston for 20M per. I think he will stay in Boston for 6 years vs. signing with another club for 7. I think Ellsbury had a lot of fun playing for Boston this season. If he is enjoying his place of work it often means the whole family is happy too. I do not know about his personal life but I am assuming that he is married. Most couples sit down when making big decisions and when you are happy change becomes more uncertain. Ellsbury is coming back 120M / 6. Hanrahan and Bailey cost the Sox 11M+ this season for nothing ... the Sox would have had more wins if the 2 never played a game.

 

Boras is doing his job - he's the best agent around for a reason. The Red Sox are in a very easy position here. Make the QO, see what happens. Even if there is no amazing extension, they either have a sandwich pick or Ellsbury back for another season. And Bradley is a quality Plan B. I doubt the decision keeps Cherington up at night. I think there is a non-zero chance he will come back to Boston with an extension, but there is a lot of money chasing very few players. The CBA has taken a lot of the spending alternatives away from mid-level teams. There are large piles of money for teams and chasing veterans as the only real way to spend them. All it takes is a team to swoop in and offer Ellsbury 6 years or more and suddenly it is easier to shake his hand and wish him luck.

[mvp 78]

That is a horse of another color. Are you saying that they are not living together in Boston during the season?

 

I have no idea. I'm just telling you what a google search told me. They are both from OR and don't live here in the offseason.

[Bellhorn04]

In a way it's the perfect time for Ellsbury to leave Boston. He's had his ups and downs here. If he leaves now its with a pretty solid legacy.