Garza to Rangers

[BSN07]

For Olt, Edwards, Grimm and a player to be named later. So glad the Sox passed.

[Northern Star]

overpay.

[VA Sox Fan]

GOOD!! Best news all day!!!

[Palodios]

Looking at Baseball America's rankings of the Rangers farm... They gave up their #2, #5, and #14 prospects. For the Sox that would be... Bradley, Owens, and Britton? Ew.

[a700hitter]

It doesn't matter to me if they overpaid. I am only concerned whether they have improved themselves this season. They will be tough in the post season.

[Orange Juiced]

It doesn't matter to me if they overpaid. I am only concerned whether they have improved themselves this season. They will be tough in the post season.

 

I agree. We need to worry about the long-term prospects of our favorite team only. The Rangers just improved their team dramatically with this trade, and that will make winning it all this year significantly more difficult.

 

If the Rangers get hurt by this trade 4 years from now, it won't matter, because some other team will rise up.

 

It's one reason winning it all is so hard year-in and year-out. There's always someone in GFIN mode and loading up, even if it costs them down the road.

[a700hitter]

If the Rangers get hurt by this trade 4 years from now, it won't matter, because some other team will rise up.

 

^ Yep, this is exactly how I feel. I think Seattle could be the team that rises up in afew years with their young pitching.

[jacksonianmarch]

Olt looks like he's just turning his yr around as well. He had some vision issue initially. They are gonna be really hard to beat in the postseason, but they did just purge a TON to get a rental they cant get anything for at year's end. Makes you wonder what we could get for Cano...

[mvp 78]

We'll see how great this trade works out once Cruz is suspended for the year. Definitely an overpay on a short term rental.

[a700hitter]

They have been to the WS twice in recent years. I guess that they are hoping that the third time will be a charm. As for Cruz, I would think the Rangers have a heads up on that situation and made the move with full knowledge of that situation.

[Standing Room]

Olt looks like he's just turning his yr around as well. He had some vision issue initially. They are gonna be really hard to beat in the postseason, but they did just purge a TON to get a rental they cant get anything for at year's end. Makes you wonder what we could get for Cano...

 

I'm sure the Yankees could get a huge package for Cano, but I doubt they're smart enough to do it.

[italstallianion]

Looking at Baseball America's rankings of the Rangers farm... They gave up their #2, #5, and #14 prospects. For the Sox that would be... Bradley, Owens, and Britton? Ew.

 

I believe the original deal was for Ramirez in lieu of Grimm but then I think Garza's medicals held up the deal slightly. I'm surprised Grimm was their 14th best prospect as he looked god awful thus far but I admittedly didn't know much about the Rangers system. I think Olt was like the 22nd best prospect overall according to BA.

[italstallianion]

It looks like they Cubs can select 2 PTBNL's from an agreed upon list of names (all pitchers), but if they select Neil Ramirez (a pitcher who was originally to be included in the deal but substituted for Grimm), then they only get the 1 PTBNL.

[Divinity]

I'm sure the Yankees could get a huge package for Cano, but I doubt they're smart enough to do it.

 

Of course they wouldn't, now that the core 4 is headed out the door, Cano is the face of the franchise.

 

I'm sure the Mets could get a huge package for Wright but I doubt they'd trade him either.

[User Name]

Cano is a FA after the season, so the Yankees could literally trade him then re-sign him in the off-season if they wanted to. Wright is locked up for several more years. There is no logical connection between the two for the purposes of this discussion. Think before you post.

[Standing Room]

Of course they wouldn't, now that the core 4 is headed out the door, Cano is the face of the franchise.

 

I'm sure the Mets could get a huge package for Wright but I doubt they'd trade him either.

 

Apples to oranges. If Wright was two months away from free agency, I guarantee the Mets would trade him. Whether or not signing Cano to a long-term deal in free agency would be conducive to long-term success is a whole different debate, we're simply talking about whether the Yankees should get something for Cano's remaining two months with the club or keep him with the hopes of competing with him this year.

Edited July 23, 2013 by Standing Room

[mvp 78]

The Yankees should really look into having a BoSox 2012 second half. Trade almost everyone for prospects and tank for better draft picks. With all the injuries, I'm sure Yankees fans wouldn't mind taking a mulligan.

[Divinity]

How about the fact if Cano reaches FA teams like the Dodgers could easily jack up his price in terms of dollars/years?

 

Would the prospect's they'd be getting for renting Cano out for 60+ games even be worth it if it means they have to pay Cano more on his next contract?

 

Yankees are dead set being below the luxury cap next year, so they're more interested in pinching pennies than spending the money to field a competent team.

[Standing Room]

The Yankees should really look into having a BoSox 2012 second half. Trade almost everyone for prospects and tank for better draft picks. With all the injuries, I'm sure Yankees fans wouldn't mind taking a mulligan.

 

The Yankees would benefit from that in multiple ways. Not only would they get prospects for guys like Cano, Kuroda (does he have a no-trade?), Hughes, Logan and Chamberlain but they would also greatly improve their draft position next year.

[User Name]

How about the fact if Cano reaches FA teams like the Dodgers could easily jack up his price in terms of dollars/years?

 

Would the prospect's they'd be getting for renting Cano out for 60+ games even be worth it if it means they have to pay Cano more on his next contract?

 

Yankees are dead set being below the luxury cap next year, so they're more interested in pinching pennies than spending the money to field a competent team.

 

Can you please explain exactly what you're trying to say in this post? I can make no sense of it.

[Divinity]

Can you please explain exactly what you're trying to say in this post? I can make no sense of it.

 

Sorry let me dumb it down for you.

 

Would trading Cano at this point make sense if it cost's the Yankees even more money/years to re-sign Cano through FA rather than a extension?

[mvp 78]

Can you please explain exactly what you're trying to say in this post? I can make no sense of it.

 

Better to resign him for cheaper dollars now than let him get to FA and have LA jack up the price.

[rjortiz]

How about the fact if Cano reaches FA teams like the Dodgers could easily jack up his price in terms of dollars/years?

 

Would the prospect's they'd be getting for renting Cano out for 60+ games even be worth it if it means they have to pay Cano more on his next contract?

 

Yankees are dead set being below the luxury cap next year, so they're more interested in pinching pennies than spending the money to field a competent team.

 

Don't you think that Cano's agents know that the Dodgers could do that? They aren't going to sign before he's allowed to negotiate with other teams.

[User Name]

Don't you think that Cano's agents know that the Dodgers could do that? They aren't going to sign before he's allowed to negotiate with other teams.

 

^This. It literally makes no sense to think otherwise.

[italstallianion]

The Yankees would benefit from that in multiple ways. Not only would they get prospects for guys like Cano, Kuroda (does he have a no-trade?), Hughes, Logan and Chamberlain but they would also greatly improve their draft position next year.

 

I know Kuroda had a full no-trade clause in his 2012 Yankees contract, it didn't say anything about this year though. Considering he had a full no-trade clause in 2011 I'd be surprised if he didn't have one this year too.

[Standing Room]

How about the fact if Cano reaches FA teams like the Dodgers could easily jack up his price in terms of dollars/years?

 

Would the prospect's they'd be getting for renting Cano out for 60+ games even be worth it if it means they have to pay Cano more on his next contract?

 

Yankees are dead set being below the luxury cap next year, so they're more interested in pinching pennies than spending the money to field a competent team.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Cano's headed to free agency either way.

 

And the way the Yankees used to operate simply does not work anymore. Thanks to new TV contracts, more and more teams can extend their home grown players and compete with teams like the Yankees for free agents. And thanks to the new CBA, there are spending limits for the draft and international free agents and tougher sanctions for going over the luxury tax threshold. The Yankees can't simply outspend everyone else and expect to make the playoffs every year under the current rules.

[Divinity]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Cano's headed to free agency either way.

 

And the way the Yankees used to operate simply does not work anymore. Thanks to new TV contracts, more and more teams can extend their home grown players and compete with teams like the Yankees for free agents. And thanks to the new CBA, there are spending limits for the draft and international free agents and tougher sanctions for going over the luxury tax threshold. The Yankees can't simply outspend everyone else and expect to make the playoffs every year under the current rules.

 

I'm glad, if you ask me outspending everyone for over a decade and only bringing home one ring isn't really worth it.

 

I think they'd be better off not relying completely on money, and I think they'd still have a good a chance winning a ring within a decade being on the same playing field as everyone else.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Divinity