6/2 @ NY Yankees

[User Name]

Don't make me bust out the Midol again.

 

I highly recommend the ignore feature. It's very helpful.

[SoxSport]

Well it would be hard to argue that Tex coming back is a bad thing for the skanks.

 

The guy has declined to a .250 hitter making 20+ million. He is saved by that RF porch in Yankee stadium. The Yanks can take guys like Overbay and Hefner nobody wants and revive them with that porch.

 

Imagine what Williams would have done hitting in Yankee stadium. And not having to face Raschi, Reynolds and Lopat.

[Standing Room]

I'd prefer that you suffer through it like a man instead of whining like a hypochondriac.

 

God save your husband if you nag him nearly this much.

[User Name]

God save your husband if you nag him nearly this much.

 

[a700hitter]

God save your husband if you nag him nearly this much.

Welcome back. I am a big believer in 25th chances.

[a700hitter]

It's nice that you two have formed an alliance. What do you have 25 former screen names and identities between the two of you? It's a natural alliance.

[jacksonianmarch]

I kinda figured Dutch was back. Are you going to show us brains again?

[Standing Room]

The Red Sox are in first place, and all you can do is bitch and moan and pick fights with fellow Red Sox fans? Bless your heart.

[User Name]

I kinda figured Dutch was back. Are you going to show us brains again?

 

I'm beginning to think it may not be him. YOTN has likely read the multiple times he's been accused of being Dutchy and hasn't banned him.

 

He also tends to IP check the new guys, and nothing.

[a700hitter]

I'm beginning to think it may not be him. YOTN has likely read the multiple times he's been accused of being Dutchy and hasn't banned him.

 

He also tends to IP check the new guys, and nothing.

He hasn't sent around brains yet. When he does, he will go.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Just cause he hasn't been banned, doesn't mean it's not Dutchy. They do have similar posting styles though. I don't think it's him, but I don't really care. They let you and Jacko stay after making multiple accounts. I don't think it's a big deal if someone does, unless they act like a jackass. He's been behaving and actually contributes more than half the posters. If it's him, they should let it slide. Also, Standing Room if you are Dutchy, you should come out. I'm pretty curious to know.

[a700hitter]

I will put Dutchy, Imperial etc on ignore now. He'll take a few more cheap shots and he will lose his mind because I will no longer engage with him. Heezz a zicky!

[iortiz]

I didn't want to infer anything. Was hoping iortiz would explain it.

 

Not sure what you are looking for but I think he/she got it.

[Standing Room]

I'm lost...

[a700hitter]

Just cause he hasn't been banned, doesn't mean it's not Dutchy. They do have similar posting styles though. I don't think it's him, but I don't really care. They let you and Jacko stay after making multiple accounts. I don't think it's a big deal if someone does, unless they act like a jackass. He's been behaving and actually contributes more than half the posters. If it's him, they should let it slide. Also, Standing Room if you are Dutchy, you should come out. I'm pretty curious to know.

Same posting styles, runs and hikes. All we need is for him to post photos of himself again.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Same posting styles, runs and hikes. All we need is for him to post photos of himself again.

 

Lmao I remember that. Such a bonehead move.

[Palodios]

You are arguing for the sake of arguing, since there is absolutely no way to back up your position.

 

I like to think of it as looking for a baseball discussion for the sake of looking for a baseball discussion. I do that sometimes -- ask a700 -- and I don't mean to offend you by it. Feel free to skip over my posts if you'd prefer.

 

So the four-year downward trend goes completely ignored?

 

OPS by year since 2009:

 

.948

.846

.835

.807

 

That is the complete opposite of consistent, unless you're talking about consistently regressing.

 

I'm very familiar with the downward trend. I'm also familiar with the fact that he had BABIPs of .268, .239, and .250 the last three years. While that may be attributed to lower line drive rates, and slower baserunning, it still seems a bit unlucky to me.

 

If he has a perfectly reasonable .290 BABIP in 2013, and pulls his OPS up to .880, would you be at all surprised?

 

David Ortiz and WMB were "on pace" to hit 30 last year.

One is a 37 years old, and the other was a rookie riding SSS, that pitchers apparently have figured out. Texeira was on pace to do something he had done the previous 8 years in a row.

 

 

 

Show me a player who showed a pronounced decline for several straight years and then stopped that decline and his numbers "stabilized" without the suspicion of foreign substance abuse. I'll wait here.

 

How about Adrian Beltre? Carl Crawford? John Lackey? Vernon Wells in 2010. I understand the reasons why they all suddenly started producing again, but I'm sure I could think of better example if I gave it a while. why isn't increase in BABIP a possibility?

 

I think it is far more rare to find a non-overweight player who starts declining linearly at age 28.

[a700hitter]

I like to think of it as looking for a baseball discussion for the sake of looking for a baseball discussion. I do that sometimes -- ask a700 -- and I don't mean to offend you by it. Feel free to skip over my posts if you'd prefer.

 

 

 

I'm very familiar with the downward trend. I'm also familiar with the fact that he had BABIPs of .268, .239, and .250 the last three years. While that may be attributed to lower line drive rates, and slower baserunning, it still seems a bit unlucky to me.

 

If he has a perfectly reasonable .290 BABIP in 2013, and pulls his OPS up to .880, would you be at all surprised?

 

 

One is a 37 years old, and the other was a rookie riding SSS, that pitchers apparently have figured out. Texeira was on pace to do something he had done the previous 8 years in a row.

 

 

 

 

 

How about Adrian Beltre? Carl Crawford? John Lackey? Vernon Wells in 2010. I understand the reasons why they all suddenly started producing again, but I'm sure I could think of better example if I gave it a while. why isn't increase in BABIP a possibility?

 

I think it is far more rare to find a non-overweight player who starts declining linearly at age 28.

We disagree quite a bit, but it has almost always been a baseball argument as it should be.

[Standing Room]

On the topic at hand, I think any reasonable person would expect Teixeira to provide better offensive production over the course of this season than Overbay did in the first two months. But the Yankees have been one of the worst offensive teams in the American League and by far the worst offensive team in the division. Teixeira isn't the kind of hitter that's going to change that, even when/if he eventually starts to hit.

[iortiz]

Maybe iortiz meant "take off the rose colored glasses" instead? :dunno:

 

Exactly.

 

Cheerful or optimistic, especially to an excessive degree: took a rose-colored view of the situation.

[Palodios]

We disagree quite a bit, but it has almost always been a baseball argument as it should be.

 

It wasn't always this way, but I've definitely worked to try to keep it to baseball over the last year or two. But then again, the first two months of the Sox season have made it pretty easy

[iortiz]

We disagree quite a bit, but it has almost always been a baseball argument as it should be.

 

Thing that the guy certainly can't do.

[Standing Room]

How warm and fuzzy. I'm pretty sure he only said that as a backhanded criticism of other posters - that's kind of his thing.

[Palodios]

Teixeira isn't the kind of hitter that's going to change that, even when/if he eventually starts to hit.

 

You and User Name really had to jinx it, didn't you? Texeira hit a grand slam tonight:thumbdown

[Standing Room]

You and User Name really had to jinx it, didn't you? Texeira hit a grand slam tonight:thumbdown

 

It was a Yankee Stadium fly ball, it doesn't mean aything. He hit a home run off Justin Verlander opening day last year, and then went on to hit .244 .290 .395 in April.

[User Name]

I like to think of it as looking for a baseball discussion for the sake of looking for a baseball discussion. I do that sometimes -- ask a700 -- and I don't mean to offend you by it. Feel free to skip over my posts if you'd prefer.

 

 

 

I'm very familiar with the downward trend. I'm also familiar with the fact that he had BABIPs of .268, .239, and .250 the last three years. While that may be attributed to lower line drive rates, and slower baserunning, it still seems a bit unlucky to me.

 

If he has a perfectly reasonable .290 BABIP in 2013, and pulls his OPS up to .880, would you be at all surprised?

 

I would. For one, his BABIP was probably affected by a combination of slight decreases in LD%, HR/FB and GB% with an increase in IFFB%. Also, one bad year of BABIP is a fluke, several is usually a trend, like almost everything else in baseball. Your BABIP tends to be low if you don't make consistent hard contact and are slow as molasses.

 

One is a 37 years old, and the other was a rookie riding SSS, that pitchers apparently have figured out. Texeira was on pace to do something he had done the previous 8 years in a row.

 

But he didn't do it. And even if he had hit 30, it would still have been the worst full season of his career. The 30 homers isn't the point, that's just the straw you're grasping at.

 

How about Adrian Beltre? Carl Crawford? John Lackey? Vernon Wells in 2010. I understand the reasons why they all suddenly started producing again, but I'm sure I could think of better example if I gave it a while. why isn't increase in BABIP a possibility?

 

I think it is far more rare to find a non-overweight player who starts declining linearly at age 28.

 

An increase in BABIP by itself does little, unless it's large and sustained. And it's unlikely given Teixeira's statistical profile anyway.

 

Beltre played in Seattle, and he's long been a suspected steroid user. Crawford was coming back from injury and (surprise) is injured again. Lackey's pitched 45 IP, Wells is not a good example, since he had an on-off good year bad year thing going on a la Beckett.

 

You did not provide a single example of what i asked. You're talking like this is something that doesn't happen all the time with baseball players. They decline. Sometimes abruptly. This seems to be the case with Teixeira. Maybe he has some nagging injuries, maybe the whole switch hitting thing has taken a toll on his abilities, who knows? But the numbers don't lie.

[User Name]

You and User Name really had to jinx it, didn't you? Texeira hit a grand slam tonight:thumbdown

 

It was the definition of a chepy though. He'll hit homers, that's not in question in NYS, it's the rest of his skills that have eroded.

[User Name]

It wasn't always this way, but I've definitely worked to try to keep it to baseball over the last year or two. But then again, the first two months of the Sox season have made it pretty easy

 

Some around here can't enjoy the good feelings of those two months and go around picking fights with others......

[Standing Room]

Yeah, at this point in this careers Teixeira is probably a similar hitter to Daniel Nava.

[Palodios]

 

You did not provide a single example of what i asked.

 

Here is what you asked:

 

Show me a player who showed a pronounced decline for several straight years and then stopped that decline and his numbers "stabilized" without the suspicion of foreign substance abuse. I'll wait here.

 

Lackey: declined for years -- Check. His Numbers stabilized--Check. No suspicion-- check.

Wells: declined for years -- check. Numbers stabilized -- check. No suspicion -- arguable, but nothing tangible, check.

Beltre: declined for years -- check. Numbers stabilized -- check. No suspicion-- I forgot about his 45 HR season, no check.

Crawford: declined for years -- check. Numbers stabilized -- check. No suspicion -- check.

 

Players don't decline linearly like Texeira has. There are usually plenty of ups and downs, and numbers don't completely start to plummet until the end of their career. You're saying that at the age of 28, Texeira started a downward spiral, which I do not agree with, and we should probably agree to disagree on.