Trades before the deadline?

[mvp 78]

If Lee was 5 years younger, you do the deal in a heartbeat. The situation isn't the same as when they brought in a YOUNG and cheap Beckett.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Extremely hypothetical question.

 

If you're Cherrington and you have two trade options, which would you pull the trigger on?

 

A: Bogaerts, Webster, Barnes, and Betts for Giancarlo Stanton

 

B: Cecchini, Barnes, Betts for Cliff Lee.

[mvp 78]

B, but only if i HAD to make a choice.

[SoxSport]

Extremely hypothetical question.

 

If you're Cherrington and you have two trade options, which would you pull the trigger on?

 

A: Bogaerts, Webster, Barnes, and Betts for Giancarlo Stanton

 

B: Cecchini, Barnes, Betts for Cliff Lee.

 

I wouldn't do Bogaerts in any deal. The trick is to get either of these guys without giving up Bogaerts. I would do the Lee deal. I don't think Stanton is available.

 

Peavy and Lee will probably get traded by the deadline. It's a question of balancing prospects and money. The better the prospects, the more the Phillies and the WSox may have to absorb in salary. Especially the Phillies, with the size of Lee's contract.

 

The Red Sox are in great position, because they have multiple prospects and can afford to deal them for Lee and have the Phillies absorb some of Lee's salary. That may be the main point of contention right now.

 

With Stanton, salary isn't an issue. It's a question of prospects and whether the Marlins want to deal him. Also, the Red Sox may be more focused on pitching right now.

[dupree]

Is the Marlins willing to listen to offers on Stanton? I havent seen his name mentioned anywhere.

[SoxFanForsyth]

*sigh*

 

I feel like people on here don't read. I said hypothetical. As in, there is no evidence of any of this. It's just hypothetical.

[dupree]

All i seen is the red sox are '"willing to part whatever they have to" to obtain Stanton. But still no word on if the Marlins will move him.

 

Lee and Stanton? I know our system is deep but i dont think we have enough to get them both. And if we did our farm system wouldnt be strong anymore so their goes not sacrificing the future comments. I dont know whats gonna happen but this is gonna get interesting.

[italstallianion]

Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports thinks we should trade Bogaerts (and more) for Cliff Lee. I'm posting the link in case anyone wants to sign in (or has an account) so they can tell him how much of a retard he is.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013

[User Name]

The Midget is an idiot.

[dupree]

*sigh*

 

I feel like people on here don't read. I said hypothetical. As in, there is no evidence of any of this. It's just hypothetical.

*sigh*

its on mlbtraderumors now that the red sox would go all in to get Stanton

*sigh*

[SoxFanForsyth]

*sigh*

its on mlbtraderumors now that the red sox would go all in to get Stanton

*sigh*

 

I never saw that, so I apologize. It appeared as though you were asking that after my hypothetical question.

[mvp 78]

Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports thinks we should trade Bogaerts (and more) for Cliff Lee. I'm posting the link in case anyone wants to sign in (or has an account) so they can tell him how much of a retard he is.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013

Please by nice to retards. Calling them Ken Rosenthals is hurtful and degrading.

[Bellhorn04]

Please by nice to retards. Calling them Ken Rosenthals is hurtful and degrading.

 

Rosenthal is no ordinary retard. He's a midget retard.

[Bellhorn04]

Also, a woman who claims to have had sex with Rosenthal said it felt like she was getting 'f***ed by a bowtie'.

[dupree]

I never saw that, so I apologize. It appeared as though you were asking that after my hypothetical question.

i was asking it after your hypothetical scenario. But i didnt reference your question in my post, i thought you had read the report on traderumors.

apology accepted

[a700hitter]

Extremely hypothetical question.

 

If you're Cherrington and you have two trade options, which would you pull the trigger on?

 

A: Bogaerts, Webster, Barnes, and Betts for Giancarlo Stanton

 

B: Cecchini, Barnes, Betts for Cliff Lee.

If I could only do 1, I would pick A.

[Orange Juiced]

I guess the question vis-a-vis Lee is this: What's the absolute most you would be willing to give up to get him? Understand that there's a very high likelihood that he'll be just what he's been the past six seasons - a complete ace stud. And you'll have him for 2 more years after this to anchor your rotation, so the Sox' rotation next year could look like: Lee, Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Doubront. That's an INCREDIBLE rotation.

 

Here are the Sox' minor league chips (this is taken from a poster on SoSH: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/78133-needs-and-assets-going-into-july-we-are-on-pace-for-97-wins-oh-my/?p=4852571):

 

Bogearts, Bradley, Owens = Untouchable/Non starters

Webster, DLR, Cecchini = Premium talent available in the right deal/centerpiece for a big deal (need money coming back with Lee to consider)

Barnes, Ranaudo, Swihart, Workman, Britton, Marrero, Vazquez, Buttrey, Middlebrooks, Iglesias = Building blocks for a trade/valuable but not hard to part with.

Ball, Denney, Stankiewicz, Brentz, Coyle, Wilson, Longhi, Williams, Littrell = Can't be traded because of DL or recently drafted/PTBNL with value

Betts, Margot, Almanzar, De La Cruz, Ramos, Lin = Lottery tickets/pot sweeteners

The rest are just organizational filler fungible prospects/PTBNL with little value

 

We know the Phillies would want as much as they could get, that goes without saying (and yet there, I said it). Here's what I wouldn't include: Bogaerts, Bradley Jr., or Owens. I would be willing to part with one guy in the second tier and two in the third tier. That's a LOT of significant talent going to Philly. But it wouldn't break the Sox' minor league bank. Still tons of quality talent in the Sox' system that is already or nearly MLB ready.

 

I'd offer something like: Webster, Ranaudo, Iglesias, and a fourth piece like Margot.

[MJantomaso]

Jesus Ken must be bored. I dont see how he is comparing Lee for Boegarts the same as Hanley for Beckett. Beck was a young ace to build the team around. Lee is just an old f*** with a monster contract....that pitches very well.

[MJantomaso]

I guess the question vis-a-vis Lee is this: What's the absolute most you would be willing to give up to get him? Understand that there's a very high likelihood that he'll be just what he's been the past six seasons - a complete ace stud. And you'll have him for 2 more years after this to anchor your rotation, so the Sox' rotation next year could look like: Lee, Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Doubront. That's an INCREDIBLE rotation.

 

Here are the Sox' minor league chips (this is taken from a poster on SoSH: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/78133-needs-and-assets-going-into-july-we-are-on-pace-for-97-wins-oh-my/?p=4852571):

 

Bogearts, Bradley, Owens = Untouchable/Non starters

Webster, DLR, Cecchini = Premium talent available in the right deal/centerpiece for a big deal (need money coming back with Lee to consider)

Barnes, Ranaudo, Swihart, Workman, Britton, Marrero, Vazquez, Buttrey, Middlebrooks, Iglesias = Building blocks for a trade/valuable but not hard to part with.

Ball, Denney, Stankiewicz, Brentz, Coyle, Wilson, Longhi, Williams, Littrell = Can't be traded because of DL or recently drafted/PTBNL with value

Betts, Margot, Almanzar, De La Cruz, Ramos, Lin = Lottery tickets/pot sweeteners

The rest are just organizational filler fungible prospects/PTBNL with little value

 

We know the Phillies would want as much as they could get, that goes without saying (and yet there, I said it). Here's what I wouldn't include: Bogaerts, Bradley Jr., or Owens. I would be willing to part with one guy in the second tier and two in the third tier. That's a LOT of significant talent going to Philly. But it wouldn't break the Sox' minor league bank. Still tons of quality talent in the Sox' system that is already or nearly MLB ready.

 

I'd offer something like: Webster, Ranaudo, Iglesias, and a fourth piece like Margot.

 

I really dont think JBJ is untouchable. If we can guarantee Ells resigning then I'm all for using him to go grab a pitcher. Not Jake Peavy though.

[Orange Juiced]

I really dont think JBJ is untouchable. If we can guarantee Ells resigning then I'm all for using him to go grab a pitcher. Not Jake Peavy though.

 

The problem is that it's likely going to take a 6/108 deal ($18m per season) to sign Ellsbury. That may be prohibitive if you've just added a $25 million per year Cliff Lee.

 

Remember, the Sox just escaped salary payroll hell with the Dodgers trade last year. I don't think they'll be too quick to jump right back into it. One mega contract is fine (Lee). But then that's why they need JBJ..to be the young, inexpensive, talented CF to replace the departed Jacoby.

[Orange Juiced]

Nick Cafardo tweets: "From every indication Phillies won't settle for anything less than Bogaerts at the head of any package for Lee"

 

 

Please Ben, no. Do NOT give up Bogaerts. He's a generational prospect. I want to see him hitting 40 homers and putting up a .950 ops playing SS for the Red Sox for the next 10-12 seasons......

[SoxFanForsyth]

Nick Cafardo tweets: "From every indication Phillies won't settle for anything less than Bogaerts at the head of any package for Lee"

 

 

Please Ben, no. Do NOT give up Bogaerts. He's a generational prospect. I want to see him hitting 40 homers and putting up a .950 ops playing SS for the Red Sox for the next 10-12 seasons......

 

I think Cafardo may be wrong here.

 

I've heard a lot of reports of Cecchini, Bradley, and Barnes. The hold up in the deal is the money, where the Sox want the Phillies to eat 1/2 of Lee's remaining salary, and they're currently negotiating.

 

https://twitter.com/ALLsportsINTEL

 

Based on the tweets I've read, this guy seems pretty plugged in.

[MJantomaso]

Man I would love to pass on Cliff Lee.

[BornToRun]

Nick Cafardo tweets: "From every indication Phillies won't settle for anything less than Bogaerts at the head of any package for Lee"

 

 

Please Ben, no. Do NOT give up Bogaerts. He's a generational prospect. I want to see him hitting 40 homers and putting up a .950 ops playing SS for the Red Sox for the next 10-12 seasons......

 

This. Ben has to stick to his guns and not give up Xander. Cliff Lee is great but I'm not taking on 75 million dollars worth of late 30's starting pitcher in exchange for a guy who's looking like a potential super star while playing short stop.

 

Just take a deep breath, Ben, and tell Amaro to go f*** himself into oblivion.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Even I wouldn't give up Bogaerts for Lee.

[MJantomaso]

I will go Big Papi on my computer if we trade Boegarts for Lee.

[a700hitter]

This. Ben has to stick to his guns and not give up Xander. Cliff Lee is great but I'm not taking on 75 million dollars worth of late 30's starting pitcher in exchange for a guy who's looking like a potential super star while playing short stop.

 

Just take a deep breath, Ben, and tell Amaro to go f*** himself into oblivion.

If they give up Xander, then the Phillies have to eat $35 million of the $75 million.

[Orange Juiced]

I think Cafardo may be wrong here.

 

I've heard a lot of reports of Cecchini, Bradley, and Barnes. The hold up in the deal is the money, where the Sox want the Phillies to eat 1/2 of Lee's remaining salary, and they're currently negotiating.

 

https://twitter.com/ALLsportsINTEL

 

Based on the tweets I've read, this guy seems pretty plugged in.

 

Geez, I'd rather eat all the money and not give up JBJ. I could live with Cecchini and Barnes plus a lesser 3rd guy if we take on all the $$. But JBJ needs to be here to replace Ellsbury. I just can't see Boston taking on $25m of Cliff Lee and then adding $18m of Jacoby Ellsbury.

[BornToRun]

Even I wouldn't give up Bogaerts for Lee.

 

Not a chance in hell. I'm, to be honest, hesitant to give up anything of value at all. I'm all for letting him stay in Philly if its going it cost us guys like Webster, Garin, or Barnes.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Phillies have called up a 3B prospect, pointing to the liklihood that Michael Young has been traded (or will be in the next couple hours). Makes me think the Red Sox and Phillies have a deal for Young and Lee. But, that's just me reading the tea leaves.