Shoring Up the Rotation

[seabeachfred]

They need to see what their top pitching prospects can do--before the trade deadline.

 

Every time I say something about De La Rosa I get people on this board upset because they want to believe this guy is the real thing. He may turn out to be just that, but frankly I have deep reservations about him. Oh yes, he' coming of TJS so the story goes he will need time to get his control and stuff in order. I say that in my opinion that is ********. I saw him get repeatedly lit up when he pitched for the Dodgers in 2010. When he wasn't getting hit he was walking people and constantly falling behind batters. If he gets control, no sure thing, he has a good heater and actually could become a potential closer but he is a project. Webster seems to be a better gamble. He has good stuff and his control seems to be fine. For my part, I wish both make it big and DLR proves me wrong. We will need two starters before too much longer.

[BSN07]

Every time I say something about De La Rosa I get people on this board upset because they want to believe this guy is the real thing. He may turn out to be just that, but frankly I have deep reservations about him. Oh yes, he' coming of TJS so the story goes he will need time to get his control and stuff in order. I say that in my opinion that is ********. I saw him get repeatedly lit up when he pitched for the Dodgers in 2010. When he wasn't getting hit he was walking people and constantly falling behind batters. If he gets control, no sure thing, he has a good heater and actually could become a potential closer but he is a project. Webster seems to be a better gamble. He has good stuff and his control seems to be fine. For my part, I wish both make it big and DLR proves me wrong. We will need two starters before too much longer.

 

So you selling on him because of what he was doing in the season heading into his TJS? lol And I guess it totally unheard of for a 21 year old hitting triple digits to have some control issues. RDLR is a legit SP prospect and I don't see how anyone could argue that unless they have an agenda. Maybe RDLR slighted you some how or maybe you can't stand the thought of him turning into a really good pitcher as it would lead to even more praise to Cherries for maybe the biggest steal since the Louisiana purchase.

[a700hitter]

An agenda? A slight? Funny stuff.

[BSN07]

It's gotta be something a700. Most fans would love having the type of prospect RDLR is. He's an unfinished product and fred has written him off already and it's just hard to understand why.

[Bellhorn04]

It's gotta be something a700. Most fans would love having the type of prospect RDLR is. He's an unfinished product and fred has written him off already and it's just hard to understand why.

 

Fred is harsh, shall we say. Fred also had extreme doubts that Buchholz would ever become a good starter because he thought he was a 'Nervous Nelly'.

[dupree]

It takes a lil stress off if Felix Doubrant and constantly pitch like he did lastnite. I still think we need to give the kids on the farm a couple of spot starts before the deadline but not sacrificing our 2.5 lead in the east now. So a couple of spot starts wouldnt hurt and if Doubrant and Lackey can find some constancy and Dempster is still a wild catd for me going forward. I think atleast 1 SP and one bullpen arm has to be on Ben's to-do-list

[User Name]

Fred is harsh, shall we say. Fred also had extreme doubts that Buchholz would ever become a good starter because he thought he was a 'Nervous Nelly'.

 

And no offense to Fred, but he needs to understand that's the reason why it's so hard to take him seriously.

[seabeachfred]

So you selling on him because of what he was doing in the season heading into his TJS? lol And I guess it totally unheard of for a 21 year old hitting triple digits to have some control issues. RDLR is a legit SP prospect and I don't see how anyone could argue that unless they have an agenda. Maybe RDLR slighted you some how or maybe you can't stand the thought of him turning into a really good pitcher as it would lead to even more praise to Cherries for maybe the biggest steal since the Louisiana purchase.

 

Or maybe I'm part of a Communist or Fascist conspiracy trying to bring dissension and chaos into the ranks. That had to be one of the silliest posts I've read in awhile BSN. I also am not going by what I hear or read as you do but what I saw with my own two eyes. Yes, he has velocity but so do a lot of young pitchers who never make it. To be a success you need to have the smarts, moxie and capacity to learn and grow. I have doubts Delarosa has those attributes from what I saw. Let's put it this way. I have seen 21-22 year olds show more poise and control of the situations that they're in than Delarosa did.

 

Now if you'll excuse me I'll get to reading Das Capital and Mein Kampf.

[seabeachfred]

It's gotta be something a700. Most fans would love having the type of prospect RDLR is. He's an unfinished product and fred has written him off already and it's just hard to understand why.

 

With all due respect BSN why don't you read my friggin' post clearly before answering with some hair brained reply. I said I had DEEP RESERVATIONS about Delarosa. I DID NOT write him off. Big difference, right? RIGHT!!!!!! I'll answer for you since I have doubts you will admit that you read my post WRONG. Yes, I am going by what I saw in 2010, and since like you I coached baseball for a long time, I know all about tempo, poise and adjustments on the mount. I SAW NONE OF THAT WITH DLR. Sure he could develop into a standout but I have reservations----which is a helluva lot different than my just writing him off.

 

He could turn into a Papelbon in the bullpen but he could turn into a Delcarmen as well.

He could turn into a Beckett (circa 2007) but he could turn into a Drake Britton as well.

[seabeachfred]

Fred is harsh, shall we say. Fred also had extreme doubts that Buchholz would ever become a good starter because he thought he was a 'Nervous Nelly'.

 

Of course I was wrong about Pedroia too back in 2006 when the lot of you said he would never cut it because he was too small and too frail and we should go out and get Ronnie Belliard from the Guardians play second base. A touch of amnesia on your part on this maybe?

 

I was also wrong about Ellsbury being a better player for our lineup than Coco Crisp in 2007 as well. I remember you and others had a different opinion. Amnesia on that? You were on Dirt Dogs then too, weren't you.

 

I was also wrong about Jed Lowrie when I said the guy was a solid player we needed. Yes, he was injury prone at the time, but guess what? He's turned into a solid hitter and player for the A's.

 

And of course, after ST in 2006 when most likely you and your friends on Dirt Dogs and Sawsheads were saying we needed to give Keith Foulke the closer's job because he had experience, there weren't too many of us on that board who insisted the job be given to Papelbon.

 

You have a terrific case of selected memory Bellhorn, but I've been right a helluva lot more than I've been wrong. Once again, for your edification and that of BSN, I NEVER wrote DLR off; simply said I HAD DEEP RESERVATIONS ABOUT HIM. CAPICE??????

[mvp 78]

Drake Britton is having a decent year in AA and will be brought up to AAA soon. Some have even said that he could have a 08 Masterson-esque role this September.

[seabeachfred]

And no offense to Fred, but he needs to understand that's the reason why it's so hard to take him seriously.

 

No offense taken User because I don't need you or anyone else to take me seriously. I have a very strong self image, like who I am and have full and complete confidence in myself. Besides, there are numerous times I don't take myself seriously either.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[SoxFanForsyth]

Drake Britton is having a decent year in AA and will be brought up to AAA soon. Some have even said that he could have a 08 Masterson-esque role this September.

 

Both he and Ranaudo could have a big impact on this team at some point this season.

[User Name]

No offense taken User because I don't need you or anyone else to take me seriously. I have a very strong self image, like who I am and have full and complete confidence in myself. Besides, there are numerous times I don't take myself seriously either.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

 

Well i'm just saying you throw out some old-timey phrases that i usually find pretty funny.

[seabeachfred]

Well i'm just saying you throw out some old-timey phrases that i usually find pretty funny.

 

Well it's usually after we win. I never get comedic when we lose as you probably now since you seem to have me pretty well pegged.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Well i'm just saying you throw out some old-timey phrases that i usually find pretty funny.

 

Hey, nothing wrong with some old-timey phrases. They're the cat's pajamas!

 

Which reminds me, never, ever, try to get a cat to wear pajamas.

[User Name]

Does the idea turn you into a nervous Nelly?

[Youk Of The Nation]

You bet your bottom dollar it does.

[Standing Room]

AL ERA leaders since May 15: 1. Colon (1.43), 2. Parker (2.24), 3. Lackey (2.59), 4. Weaver (2.67), 5. Wilson (2.70), 6. Doubront (2.71).

 

— Brian MacPherson (@brianmacp) July 25, 2013

[a700hitter]

No offense taken User because I don't need you or anyone else to take me seriously. I have a very strong self image, like who I am and have full and complete confidence in myself. Besides, there are numerous times I don't take myself seriously either.:D:D:

And don't forget your secret agenda.

[User Name]

You know, we'd all get along a lot better here if we could sometimes stick to baseball without constantly poking others then complaining when others poke back, then subsequently telling them to stick to baseball, and defending the constant poking with "it was just a joke". You either keep it to baseball and stop the poking or ya don't. Just a thought.

[a700hitter]

You know, we'd all get along a lot better here if we could sometimes stick to baseball without constantly poking others then complaining when others poke back, then subsequently telling them to stick to baseball, and defending the constant poking with "it was just a joke". You either keep it to baseball and stop the poking or ya don't. Just a thought.

You are hypersensitive lately.

[mvp 78]

You know, we'd all get along a lot better here if we could sometimes stick to baseball without constantly poking others then complaining when others poke back, then subsequently telling them to stick to baseball, and defending the constant poking with "it was just a joke". You either keep it to baseball and stop the poking or ya don't. Just a thought.

 

What's the point of making this comment for the 50th time? It's clearly just falling on deaf ears.

[a700hitter]

What's the point of making this comment for the 50th time? It's clearly just falling on deaf ears.

I hope you know sign language. jk before you get mad

[Standing Room]

He's trolling so hard right now - he's like the A-Rod of posters.

[BSN07]

The Red Sox are looking "pretty hard" at free agent Cuban righty Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez, president and CEO Larry Lucchino said on WEEI's Dennis & Callahan show this morning (Tim Healey has quotes). "The auctioning can begin," said Lucchino. Noting that GM Ben Cherington guards the team's prospects "like his first-born child," Lucchino explained, "Reaching into your pocket for your wallet is much easier." Lucchino confirmed the Sox are searching for rotation and bullpen help.

 

I'd like to see them get this guy, he could go into the BP for the remainder of the Season and look to start next season.

[a700hitter]

He's trolling so hard right now - he's like the A-Rod of posters.

I guess that you must not have seen or you chose to ignore the "jk" in that post.

 

I didn't appreciate your harrassing PM, but all this means is that pictures of crushed skulls and brains aren't far behind. Have a nice day dickwad.

[Orange Juiced]

Other news on the potential pitching front... from (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/boston_red_sox/):

 

"The Red Sox are looking "pretty hard" at free agent Cuban righty Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez, president and CEO Larry Lucchino said on WEEI's Dennis & Callahan show this morning (Tim Healey has quotes). "The auctioning can begin," said Lucchino. Noting that GM Ben Cherington guards the team's prospects "like his first-born child," Lucchino explained, "Reaching into your pocket for your wallet is much easier." Lucchino confirmed the Sox are searching for rotation and bullpen help.

 

Gonzalez, 26, is expected to sign soon. On Monday, MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez said he's down to five teams. MLB.com's Ken Gurnick reported Tuesday that the Dodgers, who had been heavily linked to Gonzalez, are not pursuing him. Earlier this week, Ben Badler of Baseball America provided a scouting report on Gonzalez (subscription required and recommended). Badler noted that "projections vary significantly" on the righty, ranging from a big league ready No. 3 starter on the high end to a long reliever on the low end."

 

 

What do you guys think of Gonzalez? Here's an interesting look at him: http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/6/27/4470124/miguel-alfredo-gonzalez-international-free-agent-yasiel-puig-dodgers-red-sox

 

If all he costs is money, the Sox have that, and it wouldn't cost them any of their prospects. Plus, he's a potentially dynamic arm for the rotation for now and the next few years. I think this is the kind of situation where the Sox, who will have payroll flexibility with so many young players coming up and a lot of veterans on short money, should take a risk and go for this guy.

[Orange Juiced]

On the Gonzalez note, from (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/rumblings130726/calling-stiffer-ped-penalties-mlb):

 

"• Clubs that are in on Cuban pitcher Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez are giving off the vibe that the Red Sox are the favorite, because, more and more, they like the idea of spending the money on a guy they believe is big league-ready more than overpaying in prospects for just about any pitcher on the trade market. "This guy should pitch in the big leagues by September and take a regular turn in the rotation next year," one exec said. "Very impressive guy.""

 

The more I look at this, the more I think this is the right move. 26-year old hard throwing potential #2 starter. All he'd cost is money. They could put him in the rotation or, if that isn't the best fit, put him in the bullpen for the rest of this year, and then run him out as a starter next year and beyond. They have money to spare, and this would allow them to use that resource to get what they need while keeping all their really good prospects.

 

This is the move the Sox need to make.

[Standing Room]

I guess that you must not have seen or you chose to ignore the "jk" in that post.

 

I didn't appreciate your harrassing PM, but all this means is that pictures of crushed skulls and brains aren't far behind. Have a nice day dickwad.

 

I knew you were lying about having me on ignore. I'm a must read.