Shoring Up the Rotation

[a700hitter]

Its a baseball forum on the internet. Relax.

Jerking your chain. I thought a sharp under cover guy like you would have picked up on that. Stay away from infiltrating any tough gangs. You might get hurt.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Does the pot need stirring? I'm not ready for this to end.

[SCM33]

Jerking your chain. I thought a sharp under cover guy like you would have picked up on that. Stay away from infiltrating any tough gangs. You might get hurt.

 

You have no idea the stuff I have seen in the last week, and I wasn't even on the ground in Boston.

 

I deal mostly with Boston Street Gangs......Franklin Hill, 1850 Wash, Heath St., Mass Ave Hornets, Columbia St....

 

Of course you always have your factions of the MS-13, Asian Boyz, GD's, Latin Kings and the People Nation (Bloods and smaller subsets) and the Folk Nation (Crips and smaller subsets).

 

I do a lot of territiry identifying by looking at tags and decoding their meaning as every tag tells a story.

[SCM33]

Does the pot need stirring? I'm not ready for this to end.

 

It will end, I do not provoke a700, I tend to like him as we have both been here since 2005.....I understand he has to protect his boy fred.

[a700hitter]

You have no idea the stuff I have seen in the last week, and I wasn't even on the ground in Boston.

 

I deal mostly with Boston Street Gangs......Franklin Hill, 1850 Wash, Heath St., Mass Ave Hornets, Columbia St....

 

Of course you always have your factions of the MS-13, Asian Boyz, GD's, Latin Kings and the People Nation (Bloods and smaller subsets) and the Folk Nation (Crips and smaller subsets).

 

I do a lot of territiry identifying by looking at tags and decoding their meaning as every tag tells a story.

For their sake, I hope none of them are critical of Ben Cherrington.

 

I'm going to get some sleep. Tomorrow's a long day of baseball. Plus, now I have to go buy a phony mustache and eyeglasses to avoid detection by Inspector Clouseau.

[a700hitter]

It will end, I do not provoke a700, I tend to like him as we have both been here since 2005.....I understand he has to protect his boy fred.

It's just not right that everyone attacks Fred. He's actually a very friendly guy who enjoys baseball to the point of obsession.

[a700hitter]

SCM, you apparently spend your time around a lot of scumbags in your profession. We are all on the same side on TalkSox, except for Jacko, and he is not a bad guy either.

[RedSoxNC84]

Damn, I missed all the fun.

[win red sox]

I can see were scm is coming from. Ben was crucified by some posters for his offseason moves he made this year by signing victorino (who has a higher fwar than hamilton, bourn, bj upton), signing dempster(there was some posters here who wanted Haren or Mccartney, which both are gettiing hammered). Benny the boob as some posters will call him had his hands tied last offseason with theo's mess and was able to dump 250 million in unproductive salary while grabbing 2 high upside arms and eventually trading for an allstar closer this offseason. Mr Cherrington has done an excellent job in his tenure and this needs to be recognized, Mr Cherrington has a plan and if the red sox make or don't make the playoffs the year, I hope he sticks to it. For the posters who criticized his moves this offseason, its only fair that you get called out on it. Personally I haven't been this excited about a red sox team since 86 when greenwell, burks, and benzinger where the future. I guess I'm a "ballwasher".

[User Name]

Excellent post.

[Bellhorn04]

Fred actually behaves much better here than he did on Sawxheads when I was there.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I don't know, fartface and turdman are pretty vile things to call somebody.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Pumped to get to see Allen Webster today!!!

 

Not sure if people have talked about this yet, I tried going back a few pages but just saw a bunch of fighting.

 

Anyway, lets hope he makes it hard to send him back down, even though they obviously have to because he's the 26th man in the DH. Either way, I have a feeling that Webster is going to be on Doubronts heals pretty soon, unless Doubie can somehow figure out how to be efficient.

[User Name]

Farrell indicated Lackey will go on a rehab assignment starting tomorrow, but if he pitches well he could be activated immediately after.

[VA Sox Fan]

Fred actually behaves much better here than he did on Sawxheads when I was there.

 

 

That is sad and pathetic to know. What a miserable board that must be.

[FredLynn]

I can see were scm is coming from. Ben was crucified by some posters for his offseason moves he made this year by signing victorino (who has a higher fwar than hamilton, bourn, bj upton), signing dempster(there was some posters here who wanted Haren or Mccartney, which both are gettiing hammered). Benny the boob as some posters will call him had his hands tied last offseason with theo's mess and was able to dump 250 million in unproductive salary while grabbing 2 high upside arms and eventually trading for an allstar closer this offseason. Mr Cherrington has done an excellent job in his tenure and this needs to be recognized, Mr Cherrington has a plan and if the red sox make or don't make the playoffs the year, I hope he sticks to it. For the posters who criticized his moves this offseason, its only fair that you get called out on it. Personally I haven't been this excited about a red sox team since 86 when greenwell, burks, and benzinger where the future. I guess I'm a "ballwasher".

 

Its April 21. Isn't it a little early to pass judgement on Ben's offseason moves? Both Dempster and Victorino have certainly exceeded expectations, but come July when half the season has been played, who knows what their numbers will look like. Or in Victorino's case, how will obtaining him look in the third year of his contract? For my part, I am just going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Judging this team's parts will take more time than three weeks of a six month season.

[VA Sox Fan]

It is more than a little assinine to tell a fan that he can't root for his team because he criticized some off season moves. My recollection is that Fred actually like some of the offseason moves, but why let accuracy get in the way of this BS ^. My recollection is that you have had strong opinions about Daniel Nava stiinking. He has been a major contributor to the sox fast start. By your logic, that would make it impossible for you to root for the Sox to succeed. Ridiculous... right? Hey, the Dodgers will take you in as a fan.:harhar:

 

I don't recall SCM33's opinion on Nava in the off season. I do recall you constantly putting him down. Here is one of your posts from January:

 

We should have a moratorium on this. We all like Nava, but he is just not a major league outfielder. He doesn't have major league skills. If he is on the opening day roster, it wouldn't signal disaster, but IMO it would not be a good signal.

 

Of course it's still very early in the season. When you make blanket statements like the one above, it makes you look not so bright.

[User Name]

Its April 21. Isn't it a little early to pass judgement on Ben's offseason moves? Both Dempster and Victorino have certainly exceeded expectations, but come July when half the season has been played, who knows what their numbers will look like. Or in Victorino's case, how will obtaining him look in the third year of his contract? For my part, I am just going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Judging this team's parts will take more time than three weeks of a six month season.

 

So how can you accurately judge them before they've played an inning of baseball with the Sox? I think that's the main problem

[a700hitter]

I don't recall SCM33's opinion on Nava in the off season. I do recall you constantly putting him down. Here is one of your posts from January:

 

We should have a moratorium on this. We all like Nava, but he is just not a major league outfielder. He doesn't have major league skills. If he is on the opening day roster, it wouldn't signal disaster, but IMO it would not be a good signal.

 

Of course it's still very early in the season. When you make blanket statements like the one above, it makes you look not so bright.

What's your point? I didn't make any claim that I was a believer that Nava would make it in the majors.

[VA Sox Fan]

What's your point? I didn't make any claim that I was a believer that Nava would make it in the majors.

 

My point is you were constantly putting him down, saying he wasn't a major leaguer and that'd he'd be pumping gas in the next few years.

 

You called out SCM33 out of the blue when I don't recall him even posting much during the off season let alone saying Nava stinks like you constantly did.

[FredLynn]

So how can you accurately judge them before they've played an inning of baseball with the Sox? I think that's the main problem

 

I am not judging anyone right now. I like what I see so far, but only 10% of the season has been played. You can use some statistical analysis to make an educated guess about how the major league acquisitions might perform for the team, but in many ways Boston is different than other markets. If you are referring to Lavarnway or some of our other prospects you are right: until they get a fair shot, assuming they deserve it based on their minor league performances, we cannot accurately judge how they might perform in the ML. The problem with some of them, like Lavarnway, is that he will most likely never get a shot at it. So is it better to let him wallow in our minor league system or should we package him and try to get help at a position we are weak at?

[jung]

You really can't put a moratorium on discussion or comment on a discussion board. Some people have one opinion, others have another and that is what makes a board a board worth visiting.

[User Name]

I am not judging anyone right now. I like what I see so far, but only 10% of the season has been played. You can use some statistical analysis to make an educated guess about how the major league acquisitions might perform for the team, but in many ways Boston is different than other markets. If you are referring to Lavarnway or some of our other prospects you are right: until they get a fair shot, assuming they deserve it based on their minor league performances, we cannot accurately judge how they might perform in the ML. The problem with some of them, like Lavarnway, is that he will most likely never get a shot at it. So is it better to let him wallow in our minor league system or should we package him and try to get help at a position we are weak at?

 

You misunderstood my post. What i was referring to is that those who criticized the acquisitions as stupid and a waste of money before the players even put ink to contract have even less ground to stand on than those who think the acquisitions have been succesful. The second group at least has a Spring Training and a 1/10th of the season to base their arguments one. The ones who immediately started bitching and moaning had nothing to go on.

 

You can argue that you could then use career stats to analyze the players, but then you'd be left with the idea that they were pretty good acquisitions, even if overpaid.

[a700hitter]

My point is you were constantly putting him down, saying he wasn't a major leaguer and that'd he'd be pumping gas in the next few years.

 

You called out SCM33 out of the blue when I don't recall him even posting much during the off season let alone saying Nava stinks like you constantly did.

Defective memories is a good reason why posters shouldn't call each other out about things that were discussed weeks or months ago.

 

Maybe you should search the terms SCM and Nava. You will find some strong opinions from him about Nava. The next time maybe you should double check your faulty memory. I should also point out that the issue wasn't anyone's opinion about Nava, but that went right over your head I guess.

[a700hitter]

You really can't put a moratorium on discussion or comment on a discussion board. Some people have one opinion, others have another and that is what makes a board a board worth visiting.

The idea is that everyone has to walk in lock step or risk being ridiculed.

[User Name]

You really can't put a moratorium on discussion or comment on a discussion board. Some people have one opinion, others have another and that is what makes a board a board worth visiting.

 

That doesn't give people carte blanche to be idiots.

[VA Sox Fan]

Defective memories is a good reason why posters shouldn't call each other out about things that were discussed weeks or months ago.

 

Maybe you should search the terms SCM and Nava. You will find some strong opinions from him about Nava. The next time maybe you should double check your faulty memory. I should also point out that the issue wasn't anyone's opinion about Nava, but that went right over your head I guess.

 

I did go back and check. I was wrong about SCM33 and his hatred for Nava.

 

You were almost as hard on Nava.

 

You both are wrong, so far.

 

Enjoy defending sbf and personally attacking other posters who pick on him. It is, after all, what you do best! :thumbsup:

[a700hitter]

I did go back and check. I was wrong about SCM33 and his hatred for Nava.

 

You were almost as hard on Nava.

 

You both are wrong, so far.

 

Enjoy defending sbf and personally attacking other posters who pick on him. It is, after all, what you do best! :thumbsup:

When everyone attacks one person, it looks like bullying, but join right in.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Everyone shut up. It's pretty easy to disagree about baseball without acting like *******s. When someone questions your fandom or something else, it's possible to reply without resorting to a two-paragraph block of profanity. Everyone just stop, because you're all starting to annoy me. Talk about baseball, not each other.

[FredLynn]

You misunderstood my post. What i was referring to is that those who criticized the acquisitions as stupid and a waste of money before the players even put ink to contract have even less ground to stand on than those who think the acquisitions have been succesful. The second group at least has a Spring Training and a 1/10th of the season to base their arguments one. The ones who immediately started bitching and moaning had nothing to go on.

 

You can argue that you could then use career stats to analyze the players, but then you'd be left with the idea that they were pretty good acquisitions, even if overpaid.

 

Got it. I do not necessarily agree however that until a player has played for the Red Sox one cannot form a reasonable opinion about the wisdom of acquiring a player as long as there is some logic and statistics to back up that opinion. The acquisition of Carl Crawford is an example of this. Many people did not think he was a good match for the team and felt that his career OPS of .781 with the Rays was not worth the money he was to be paid in Boston and that that money was better spend elsewhere. Crawford had not played a single inning for the team but reasonable opinions about him abounded. The same can be said of Victorino and Dempster.